Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > VENDORS > Riflegear.com
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Riflegear.com Hosted by Riflegear.com

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:19 PM
fastkevin's Avatar
fastkevin fastkevin is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 573
iTrader: 57 / 100%
Default Riflegear Hate Whitey/[prior] Military?

I'm the type that purposely buys from the local guys first, to support my local business(es). Up 'til now I shopped at Ammo Bros(until their 'smith' ruined my upper attempting to install a piston kit, then 'only' charged me $200 for his 'time'), and today I decided to hit up Riflegear.
I entered the store(which is at most 8 feet from the counter to the door), grabbed a number, and waited. When it was time for my number to come up, a dude behind the counter looked at me and I showed him my tag(14). He then looked away from me, and at a female, who showed him her number, which was the one after mine(15). He then proceeded to point at her and click the number display THROUGH 14, and stopped at 15. I know what you're thinking, and you could be right, but she wasn't even 5' tall, and EASILY two-bills(200lbs). Maybe that was his type...but in any event, I then looked at him and asked in an outside voice, "what happened to 14'? Everyone looked at me, but nobody said anything.
Here's the facts:
I was the ONLY white person in the store. EVERYONE behind the counter was asian. And I noticed a few minutes ago I'm wearing a t-shirt with a particular U.S. Army unit crest on it.
I had been in the store standing quietly in the same location for the previous 20-minutes.
The Counter-person looked right at me and saw my number 14, then chose to help the next person(who like everyone else in the store, wasn't white, and wasn't wearing any military-related clothing), AFTER clicking the number sign TWICE to get through MY number, and land on the next person's.
For whatever reason, dude CHOSE NOT to help ME. Whether that was his decision alone, or that of the store itself, I don't know. The only thing I can say is that there was NO mistake made on his part. He saw me plain as day, and purposely helped someone else.
The ONLY differences between me and the other customers was the color of my skin, and the emblem on my shirt.
There WASN'T a booger sticking out of my nose, nor am I oozing puss or any other vile bodily fluid that would make one not want to come within 100 yards of me. I know because I checked..
I know the local asian communites around here aren't big flag wavers(U.S. anyway), and this store IS in a city with a huge asian population, but refusing service to a 'customer' because he's white and/or [prior] military? That's just stupid...my money is just as green as everyone else.
In any event, I know I'm not gonna even consider doing business with this store again. If it's one thing we're not short of around here, it's gun stores.

Last edited by fastkevin; 02-24-2012 at 1:22 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:34 PM
Barbarossa's Avatar
Barbarossa Barbarossa is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Alameda County
Posts: 4,433
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

Riflegear is typically known for their exemplary customer service, this seems totally odd...

So did you get helped or not?
What happened after you asked about #14?
__________________
Looking for a 3" Magnum 870 $200-$250ish
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:37 PM
Dirtbiker's Avatar
Dirtbiker Dirtbiker is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,811
iTrader: 91 / 100%
Default

I'm a big white guy and I get great service from whoever is behind the counter.

Not saying it didn't happen but that is out of character from my experiences with them.
__________________
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

Thomas Jefferson
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:38 PM
RazzB7's Avatar
RazzB7 RazzB7 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Sandy Eggo
Posts: 3,419
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

Yeah, what happened after you pointed out the MISTAKE?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Conan the Barbarian
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsRazz View Post
I don't wish to be known as a set of tits behind a gun.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:44 PM
DeeL2003's Avatar
DeeL2003 DeeL2003 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Corona
Posts: 293
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

Wow someone pulled out the race card.

I was just there two days ago to pick up my AR and 10 days prior. The majority of the people there, on my first visit were white and on my second visit were a mix of everything. I even saw 2 guys in Army ACU's(1 was a "non-flag waving" asian guy) falling in line and getting service just like the rest of us. IMO, I don't think the color of your skin nor your military background was the contributing factor of you being ignored by the employee. Maybe he didn't like how you looked. J/K Much respect to you for your service, but please don't make assumptions based on one visit. And please don't assume the local asians there are anti-American or what-not, that's just plain ignorance on your part.

Have a nice day.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:45 PM
DVSmith DVSmith is offline
Cantankerous old coot
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: The OC
Posts: 3,702
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

I have always been treated well in their store. I have never felt any type of attitude and I am as white, round, bald, middle aged kind of guy as you could find. This totally odd.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:45 PM
NiMiK NiMiK is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 501
iTrader: 27 / 100%
Default

Wow, that sucks to hear! The service their is pretty damn awesome to say the least.
Whatever the reason, that's pretty tasteless and inexcusable on their behalf. I highly doubt it has anything to do with race. I say call next time and get their name before heading down there. That way you can just ask for the person you spoke to on the phone.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:47 PM
shark92651's Avatar
shark92651 shark92651 is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 5,433
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

Kevin,

I'm sorry but your claims of racism are ridiculous. I reviewed the security footage and you were on your cell phone when your number was called multiple times. The salesman then went to number 15 and a few seconds later you realized you were skipped and you threw your hands up, dropped your ticket, and walked out the door without saying a word. Basically your story is BS and you didn't sack up and speak up that you were skipped. If you had spoken up, we would have immediately served you since you were next. I can post the video footage here for all to see if you like.

David (the cracker that owns the place)
__________________

www.riflegear.com

Last edited by shark92651; 02-24-2012 at 2:31 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:50 PM
Peter W Bush's Avatar
Peter W Bush Peter W Bush is offline
Calguns Supreme Overlord
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: LA
Posts: 4,731
iTrader: 65 / 100%
Default

Wow.. are you claiming that there is a gun shop that hates WHITE vets?! Fail.
__________________
Will trade liquor/wine/beer for parts and accesories and ammo! PM me. Dont drink n shoot. Offer void where prohibited. Must be 21 or older, etc. etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TURBOELKY View Post
Well, glad you got the kit anyways, I'm sure I'll fondle it a little in the near future..... oh God, that's going to be in somebody's signature....:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by TURBOELKY View Post
put me in line, but if Peter W. Bush takes it, I need to be removed from his Signature line.......:D
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:51 PM
email email is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Arizona and Utah
Posts: 2,503
iTrader: 31 / 100%
Default

Tall clean cut military looking white guy here...I've had zero problems there. I've only deal with two people, and they were both Asian. Both were stand up, knowledgeable, non-FUD kind of guys.

I felt welcomed once I was helped. There were several people ahead of me and I felt they were treated the same (even those who asked really lame questions)

No, I don't work there, just my experience.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:51 PM
RazzB7's Avatar
RazzB7 RazzB7 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Sandy Eggo
Posts: 3,419
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shark92651 View Post
Kevin,

I'm sorry but your claims of racism are ridiculous. I reviewed the security footage and you were on your cell phone when your number was called multiple times. The salesman then went to number 15 and a few seconds later you realized you were skipped and you threw your hands up, dropped your ticket, and walked out the door without saying a word. Basically your story is BS and you didn't sack up and speak up that you were skipped. If you had spoken up, we would have immediately served you since you were next. I can post the video footage here for all to see if you like.
pwned!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Conan the Barbarian
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsRazz View Post
I don't wish to be known as a set of tits behind a gun.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:52 PM
email email is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Arizona and Utah
Posts: 2,503
iTrader: 31 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shark92651 View Post
.... I can post the video footage here for all to see if you like.

OP gotz OWNED.

Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:54 PM
john.t.singh's Avatar
john.t.singh john.t.singh is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,440
iTrader: 39 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shark92651 View Post
Kevin,

I'm sorry but your claims of racism are ridiculous. I reviewed the security footage and you were on your cell phone when your number was called multiple times. The salesman then went to number 15 and a few seconds later you realized you were skipped and you threw your hands up, dropped your ticket, and walked out the door without saying a word. Basically your story is BS and you didn't sack up and speak up that you were skipped. If you had spoken up, we would have immediately served you since you were next. I can post the video footage here for all to see if you like.
__________________
We must learn to live together as brothers or we will perish together as fools.

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-24-2012, 1:59 PM
RazzB7's Avatar
RazzB7 RazzB7 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Sandy Eggo
Posts: 3,419
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

I think I'll go over and do some shopping on Riflegear's website now. I hear they really like big white guys!
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Conan the Barbarian
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsRazz View Post
I don't wish to be known as a set of tits behind a gun.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-24-2012, 2:04 PM
Paper Boy's Avatar
Paper Boy Paper Boy is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,666
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shark92651 View Post
I can post the video footage here for all to see if you like.
Well that was quick and definitive....
__________________
Youtube reviews https://bit.ly/2V3WchY
https://hooksandammo.com
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02-24-2012, 2:10 PM
shark92651's Avatar
shark92651 shark92651 is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 5,433
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

You know, it's not my intention to embarrass someone over something like this but this is the second time recently that someone has claimed we have a discriminatory policy when it comes to serving customers with our number system. In both cases it was a situation where someone missed their number being called and rather than walking forward and speaking up, they walk out and then trash us on the internet. This passive aggressive response isn't befitting a man, white, Asian, military, or otherwise - and we have all of the above working here.
__________________

www.riflegear.com
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02-24-2012, 2:13 PM
email email is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Arizona and Utah
Posts: 2,503
iTrader: 31 / 100%
Default

I hear ya. Keep up the good work.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02-24-2012, 2:32 PM
RazzB7's Avatar
RazzB7 RazzB7 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Sandy Eggo
Posts: 3,419
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

I think Riflegear's response was timely, professional and appropriate.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Conan the Barbarian
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsRazz View Post
I don't wish to be known as a set of tits behind a gun.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02-24-2012, 3:22 PM
ripcurlksm's Avatar
ripcurlksm ripcurlksm is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,146
iTrader: 21 / 100%
Default

Posting in an epic thread
__________________
Kevin
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 02-24-2012, 3:34 PM
dousan dousan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,291
iTrader: 74 / 100%
Default

This thread really has made my day
Lol irl
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 02-24-2012, 3:35 PM
gugoo's Avatar
gugoo gugoo is offline
Member
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 454
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

An apology is in order?
__________________
Just another mall ninja, tacticool...
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 02-24-2012, 3:40 PM
Us3rName Us3rName is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Orange County
Posts: 660
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Reading the op pissed me the **** off.

I have nothing nice to say.


And than I saw shark's pwnage.

Made my damn day. Rifle gear rocks. Haven't had a bad experience there.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 02-24-2012, 3:42 PM
Johnnykck's Avatar
Johnnykck Johnnykck is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 401
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

yeah, I would like to hear what OP has to say to that.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 02-24-2012, 3:56 PM
gl0ckc0ma's Avatar
gl0ckc0ma gl0ckc0ma is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Near LAX
Posts: 1,302
iTrader: 16 / 100%
Default

I just want to be in this thread, cant wait to hear the OP response.

I SAY POST THE VIDEO!! THAT WOULD BE FREAKEN AWESOME!!

WHOSE WIT ME! POST THE VID! POST THE VID! POST THE VID! COME ON EVERYONE! POST THE VID!
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 02-24-2012, 4:04 PM
SuperSet SuperSet is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: OC/DC
Posts: 9,048
iTrader: 41 / 100%
Default

Ha, what a ridiculous post. Glad the Riflegear guys were here to set the record straight.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 02-24-2012, 4:17 PM
odysseus's Avatar
odysseus odysseus is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: NorCal
Posts: 10,407
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

WOW.

Where is the OP?
__________________
"Just leave me alone, I know what to do." - Kimi Raikkonen

The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.' and that `Property is surely a right of mankind as real as liberty.'
- John Adams

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 02-24-2012, 4:19 PM
dousan dousan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,291
iTrader: 74 / 100%
Default

Talking on his cell?
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 02-24-2012, 4:19 PM
psssniper's Avatar
psssniper psssniper is offline
Love God Love People
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Corsicana/San Clemente
Posts: 3,045
iTrader: 196 / 100%
Default

Quote:
I can post the video footage here for all to see if you like
Pretty straight forward question from RifleGear. Any response from the OP?

Reminds me of when my neighbors daughter and friends stole some stuff, denied it up and down when I asked where the stuff was, then I brought the dad and kid over to review the DVR sec cam footage, hilarity ensued!
__________________
"I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness; I love only that which they defend.
victus exaro somniculosus, somnus exaro ieiunium
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 02-24-2012, 4:32 PM
shark92651's Avatar
shark92651 shark92651 is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 5,433
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

Nope, not a peep. If he wants to I'd be happy to discuss it with him.
__________________

www.riflegear.com
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 02-24-2012, 5:50 PM
anthonyca anthonyca is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,316
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Thanks for making me laugh.

"the cracker that owns the place"
__________________
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Union...70812799700206

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wherryj View Post
I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 02-24-2012, 6:00 PM
ArmyMedicMoose's Avatar
ArmyMedicMoose ArmyMedicMoose is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: I.E.
Posts: 1,290
iTrader: 14 / 94%
Default

I love to see the other side of stuff like this. I hate when ppl trash all these guns stores like Turners, Riflegear and so but yet when the truth comes out...The OP never around, there always two side of the store...
__________________
NRA member
S&W M&P Armorer
Glock Armorer
CPR instructor
EMT-P
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 02-24-2012, 6:02 PM
Scratch705's Avatar
Scratch705 Scratch705 is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: SoCal
Posts: 12,508
iTrader: 15 / 100%
Default

can you post the video anyways, nothing like seeing a grown man throw a temper tantrum.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by leelaw View Post
Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalSig1911 View Post
Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrepperGunShop View Post
Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 02-24-2012, 6:03 PM
MARLANDO's Avatar
MARLANDO MARLANDO is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: FEMA REGION 9
Posts: 805
iTrader: 48 / 100%
Default

Video Please....


__________________
What is a Pipe Hitter? From the urban dictionary - “Someone or a group of people who are willing to go to the extreme in order to get things accomplished. Also known as a “Heavy Hitter”.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 02-24-2012, 6:05 PM
ArmyMedicMoose's Avatar
ArmyMedicMoose ArmyMedicMoose is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: I.E.
Posts: 1,290
iTrader: 14 / 94%
Default

I worked at a gun store and customers are nothing but 8 kids at least the WHITE MIDDLE AGE MEN...and PS I'm white... HE SKIPPED MY NUMBER..... wait a min I was on the phone telling the salesmen to hold while the counter is slammed with customers..
__________________
NRA member
S&W M&P Armorer
Glock Armorer
CPR instructor
EMT-P
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 02-24-2012, 6:05 PM
Alpha 1-4's Avatar
Alpha 1-4 Alpha 1-4 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 207
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Video or it didn't happen.
__________________
WTB/WTT http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=524335
Once you've had the volume turned all the way up, that low-level noise just doesn't matter anymore.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 02-24-2012, 6:06 PM
ArmyMedicMoose's Avatar
ArmyMedicMoose ArmyMedicMoose is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: I.E.
Posts: 1,290
iTrader: 14 / 94%
Default

Bottles up to for calling the BS RIFLEGEAR... I have to buy something from you,just for this thread love
__________________
NRA member
S&W M&P Armorer
Glock Armorer
CPR instructor
EMT-P
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 02-24-2012, 6:09 PM
bob7122's Avatar
bob7122 bob7122 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: OC, SoCal
Posts: 5,090
iTrader: 16 / 100%
Default

i am speaking on behalf of the OP (he is my cousin twice removed) and he says to post it up.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2761377 View Post
man's greatest accomplishments have been achieved in the face of futility.
it's a piss poor excuse to quit.
PSN name= entwie_dumayla
"I came into this world with someone else's blood on me and I don't mind leaving the same way..."
***looking to buy in great condition yugo sks***
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 02-24-2012, 6:11 PM
MARLANDO's Avatar
MARLANDO MARLANDO is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: FEMA REGION 9
Posts: 805
iTrader: 48 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bob7122 View Post
i am speaking on behalf of the OP (he is my cousin twice removed) and he says to post it up.

__________________
What is a Pipe Hitter? From the urban dictionary - “Someone or a group of people who are willing to go to the extreme in order to get things accomplished. Also known as a “Heavy Hitter”.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 02-24-2012, 6:24 PM
SxB's Avatar
SxB SxB is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: East Bay
Posts: 898
iTrader: 28 / 91%
Default

I think I'm buying something from riflegear tonight.

I wonder the the op is even prior military or is he lying about that too?
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 02-24-2012, 6:57 PM
shark92651's Avatar
shark92651 shark92651 is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 5,433
iTrader: 30 / 100%
Default

I'll post the video up tomorrow morning when I'm back in the shop and you all can decide for yourself if this was "racism" or merely a case of someone getting mistakenly skipped in a busy store and then storming out in a huff instead of merely stepping forward and identifying his rightful place in line.
__________________

www.riflegear.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:09 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2021, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.



Seams2SewBySusy