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2013 CA AB 871 - Jones - Concealed weapons
This bill would establish that personal protection is good cause for issuance of a license to carry concealed.
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No, it wouldn't -"...good moral character..."
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That's the part I have problems with. This vague definition takes the teeth right out of this bill.
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We've all seen that "self-defense" as good cause simply won't cut it. We have to go after good moral character = non-prohibited and clarify that Sheriffs must accept applications and process them within a set period of time.
Otherwise you end up with Sacramento - "sorry guys - we simply aren't accepting applications but we'll let you know (maybe) some day when we decide to do so again".
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This part can not be dodged! |
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Is the good Sheriff following the law? Let me clue you in - NOT EVEN CLOSE.
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Whoops - my bad! I thought you were referring to Sac Sheriff Jones of denial by delay fame.
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Too ambitious. Efforts like these should be tabled in the same way as SB610 was... This will not make it out of the committee process.
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If something can be fixed or something good pushed through I am all for it, I just haven't seen many good new laws passed in my lifetime.
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The same idea has been introduced in bills just in the last few years. The ultra-gun-hating public safety committe always kills it.
It needs to intruduced every year, about ten times every year. |
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I applaud the effort, but I think he's taking the wrong approach.
I think he needs to Amend this into the assault rifle ban, which has some chance of passing! Then, when the ban is struck down, this part can still stand unaffected by the SCOTUS ruling.... |
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I agree this bill has little chance to pass.
However, here is an example of a relatively 'pro-gun' bill, and Assemblyman Jones is not getting even a pat on the head for trying. Such gestures (sadly, that's all this probably will be) don't take away from other efforts, and DO offer some evidence that the pro-gun side is willing to use the traditional forum. I say THANK YOU, Brian W. Jones.
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I'm going to write ASM Jones about striking the "good moral character" language, or at least substituting "not prohibited from posessing a firearm" or other such language in his bill.
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Depends on your definition of 'hefty'.
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It does from where I live.
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if nothing other than watching the anti's hand wring, groan, mumble, talk about blood in the streets the committee hearings should be entertaining.
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NRA's reporting that this bill's going to be heard in committee on April 2:
California: Pro-Gun Bill to be Heard in Committee on April 2 Please contact members of the state Assembly Committee on Public Safety On Tuesday, April 2, the state Assembly Committee on Public Safety will hear pro-gun Assembly Bill 871. AB 871, introduced by "A+" rated state Assemblyman Brian Jones (R-71), changes the definition of "good cause" for the issuance of Concealed Carry License (CCW) to include "Personal Protection or Self defense" creating a statewide standard for issuing of CCW permits. It is imperative that you call members of the Assembly Committee on Public Safety and respectfully urge them to SUPPORT AB 871. The right to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense is a constitutional right and law-abiding citizens who apply to carry concealed should be allowed to exercise that right rather than it being a discretionary decision at the local level. Please forward this alert to your family, friends and fellow gun owners in California and urge them to do the same. Assembly Committee on Public Safety: Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-17), Chairman (916) 319-2017 E-mail here Assemblyman Melissa Melendez (R-67), Vice-Chairman (916) 319-2067 E-mail here Assemblyman Reginald Jones-Sawyer (D-59) (916) 319-2059 E-mail here Assemblyman Holly Mitchell (D-54) (916) 319-2054 E-mail here Assemblyman Bill Quirk (D-20) (916) 319-2020 E-mail here Assemblyman Nancy Skinner (D-15) (916) 319-2015 E-mail here Assemblyman Marie Waldron (R-75) (916) 319-2075 E-mail here
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I got an email from the NRA-ILA stating the following:
On Tuesday, April 2, the state Assembly Committee on Public Safety will hear pro-gun Assembly Bill 871. AB 871, introduced by "A+" rated state Assemblyman Brian Jones (R-71), changes the definition of "good cause" for the issuance of Concealed Carry License (CCW) to include "Personal Protection or Self defense" creating a statewide standard for issuing of CCW permits. It is imperative that you call members of the Assembly Committee on Public Safety and respectfully urge them to SUPPORT AB 871. The right to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense is a constitutional right and law-abiding citizens who apply to carry concealed should be allowed to exercise that right rather than it being a discretionary decision at the local level. Please forward this alert to your family, friends and fellow gun owners in California and urge them to do the same. Assembly Committee on Public Safety: Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-17), Chairman (916) 319-2017 E-mail here Assemblyman Melissa Melendez (R-67), Vice-Chairman (916) 319-2067 E-mail here Assemblyman Reginald Jones-Sawyer (D-59) (916) 319-2059 E-mail here Assemblyman Holly Mitchell (D-54) (916) 319-2054 E-mail here Assemblyman Bill Quirk (D-20) (916) 319-2020 E-mail here Assemblyman Nancy Skinner (D-15) (916) 319-2015 E-mail here Assemblyman Marie Waldron (R-75) (916) 319-2075 E-mail here
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Oh, you only fight the fights you can win? You fight the fights that need fighting! A. J. MacInerney
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Assembly Committee on Public Safety:
Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-17), Chairman (916) 319-2017 E-mail here Assemblyman Melissa Melendez (R-67), Vice-Chairman (916) 319-2067 E-mail here Assemblyman Reginald Jones-Sawyer (D-59) (916) 319-2059 E-mail here Assemblyman Holly Mitchell (D-54) (916) 319-2054 E-mail here Assemblyman Bill Quirk (D-20) (916) 319-2020 E-mail here Assemblyman Nancy Skinner (D-15) (916) 319-2015 E-mail here Assemblyman Marie Waldron (R-75) (916) 319-2075 E-mail here |
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