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Old 12-10-2016, 12:38 AM
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Thumbs down Fedex Ammo Theft?

Not to drag out this story but I purchased some ammo on Black Friday from a number of places to include TargetSportUSA. The ammo from TargetSportUSA was to be delivered on Friday the 2nd along with another package from a motorcycle vendor. On the 2nd, I only received one package, a large box from the motorcycle vendor. I was a little confused because both packages were scanned at the same time, delivered 11:14AM.

Fast forward, and I check surveillance footage. The Fedex truck pulls up across the street from my house at 11:13 and leaves at 11:15, the driver never steps out of the truck. 21 minutes later, an unmarked van pulls around the corner, directly in-front of my house, and a male jumps out, grabs a large package from the back, runs it up to my door, and then jumps back in the van and drives off.

The mystery now is what happened to the box of ammo? The original Fedex truck scanned both packages and within 20 minutes, swapped one of the packages on an unmarked van, possibly personal or contractor vehicle. Fedex has determined that the package is "unable to be located" and advised me to contact TargetSportUSA to file a claim. I am just glad that I paid that extra few dollars for the insurance but my next hurdle is actually getting TargetSportUSA on the phone. Be careful during the holidays, insure packages and ask for signature authority if possible. It seems that Fedex and possibly other carriers use contractors during the holidays and these employees are probably not vetted in the same manner as regular employees.
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Old 12-10-2016, 12:41 AM
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PS- The package contained 1000 rounds of 124GR American Eagle and this is in the San Mateo area.
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Old 12-10-2016, 12:48 AM
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Sounds like someone followed the FedEx truck with a truck and picked up your ammo. One reason why I'm happy my area has so far has been safe from package theifs. The one funny thing is I end up with a lot of my neighbors stuff from time to time just cuz I order a lot online parts and ammo that I tend to get mixed up with their stuff. I could be one of those guys but karma is a bit@h so my neighbors always get a note or phone call when it does happen. If your close with your neighbors ask if they received anything in your name or have seen any vans rolling around by the description.
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Old 12-10-2016, 12:59 AM
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Sounds like someone followed the FedEx truck with a truck and picked up your ammo. One reason why I'm happy my area has so far has been safe from package theifs. The one funny thing is I end up with a lot of my neighbors stuff from time to time just cuz I order a lot online parts and ammo that I tend to get mixed up with their stuff. I could be one of those guys but karma is a bit@h so my neighbors always get a note or phone call when it does happen. If your close with your neighbors ask if they received anything in your name or have seen any vans rolling around by the description.
Actually, it is more like the Fedex driver set something up and transferred my package. The package that was delivered was more expensive than the ammo so I am thinking the ammo was specifically targeted. I was baffled at first because I live in a very low crime area and suspected the fedex driver immediately.
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Been lucky here. Have had multiple different shipments sent to my house over the last two weeks, everything from ammo to high dollar household appliances. Always gets delivered by the actual company trucks not an unmarked box truck. I am always home when they delivered since I work overnights, plus I always know when they get to my porch since my dogs hear them drop off the package and start to bark. The only thing I think is that the UPS driver really hated me since he had to climb almost 30 steps carrying my seventy pounds of ammo to get to my front door.
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Old 12-10-2016, 4:08 AM
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All ammo shipments should require signature.
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Have seen the same thing with the unmarked van delivering UPS packages, not sure if UPS has a truck shortage or what.
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during the christmas crunch delivery time, every delivery service has a shortage of vans, trucks, people.
sad i am missing a package came via usps, vender refused to ship to my po box.
if this one goes missing i will not buy from this source again.
( not gun stuff ).
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Actually, it is more like the Fedex driver set something up and transferred my package. The package that was delivered was more expensive than the ammo so I am thinking the ammo was specifically targeted. I was baffled at first because I live in a very low crime area and suspected the fedex driver immediately.
I also live in a low crime area of san mateo and have received many deliveries of 1000 rd boxes of .223 (and other calibers), without issue. What area of san mateo?
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Old 12-10-2016, 8:25 AM
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All ammo shipments should require signature.
FedEx in our area (Ukiah) requires signature or personal pickup at the depot (done both). They will not leave it on the door step.

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Old 12-10-2016, 8:32 AM
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Neither does mine here in valley. Always gets signature or leaves at neighbors and gets name.
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Old 12-10-2016, 8:50 AM
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Next time use UPS.
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That's why the insurance fee or delivery with signature required are very helpful and worth it.
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My package of 1000 rds. of 45s went "missing" at the FedEx location in Sacramento. No more activity after it arrived at that location.

You package probably had a label identifying it as ammo or what not. Mine was at the time. I request discrete shipping now. Good luck and I hope you find your package.
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^^^ the exterior of all ammunition shipments must be marked indicating so.

either this-



or this-

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Old 12-10-2016, 9:32 AM
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I don't suppose you have contacted FedEx have you? There is absolutely nothing the CalGuns peanut gallery can do for you.

I would contact FedEx and if they were no help I would contact the police since you have video.
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After getting a notice that a package has been shipped, you can usually have it redirected to a local UPS/FedEx store to be held for pickup. I try to do it with any valuable packages.
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File a claim with the seller and if they don't want to accept responsibility then file a claim with your credit card company.

The burden is on the seller.
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Old 12-10-2016, 11:08 AM
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I don't suppose you have contacted FedEx have you? There is absolutely nothing the CalGuns peanut gallery can do for you.

I would contact FedEx and if they were no help I would contact the police since you have video.
Contacted FedEx as well as filed a police report. FedEx has determined the package is "unable to be located" even though it was scanned as delivered. FedEx could care less about what really happened and told me to contact the seller to file an insurance claim. The police department approved my report and I am waiting for an officer to contact me to review the security footage. I tried to call the vendor to no avail and their voicemail box is full but I left them an email message.
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I also live in a low crime area of san mateo and have received many deliveries of 1000 rd boxes of .223 (and other calibers), without issue. What area of san mateo?
Not to seem overly paranoid but I prefer not to disclose my exact neighborhood. I was unaware that there were "bad" areas in San Mateo but the last several homes in my area sold in the 2mil range. Package theft was not something that was on my radar but I have since extended my security system to cover additional angles of my walkway and door. To my credit, nothing I could do would have prevented this type of fraud.
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^^^ the exterior of all ammunition shipments must be marked indicating so.

either this-



or this-

some driver or warehouse see boxes like this, their eyes lit up and getting ideas in their head how to maneuver it to their gain. i wonder if there is really someone inside Fedex or UPS investigating stuff like this. too easy for package go missing and let the customer file a claim.
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kozumasbullitt:

could be same neighborhood. multiple cameras are your friend.

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Sorry for your loss. Prop 47 has let out thousands of petty criminal that know they can only be charged with misdemeanor and be set free almost immediately. Doorstep package theft is pandemic this time of year. Security cams are worthless as petty theft is a very low priority for police. Alway pay the extra few bucks for package insurance and signature required. UPS and FedEx will also hold your packages for pick up.
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Not to seem overly paranoid but I prefer not to disclose my exact neighborhood. I was unaware that there were "bad" areas in San Mateo but the last several homes in my area sold in the 2mil range. Package theft was not something that was on my radar but I have since extended my security system to cover additional angles of my walkway and door. To my credit, nothing I could do would have prevented this type of fraud.
You could get a mailbox at a ups store or similar and send all packages there instead of to your doorstep.
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After getting a notice that a package has been shipped, you can usually have it redirected to a local UPS/FedEx store to be held for pickup. I try to do it with any valuable packages.
I've ordered quite a bit from Target Sports USA. Never a problem, but they never have answered a phone call from me, nor replied to any of my e mails. My shipments have ways been delivered but they are impossible to contact.

A few months ago I had a UPS package from work stolen. Found the empty box around the corner in the ditch a few days later. Luckily, this time there was nothing of value in it.

That shook my confidence in the TS USA that was enroute not being stolen. No response from multiple attempts to contact TS USA, so called Fed Ex. They said that per the shipper they could not hold, or re direct the shipment to a Fed Ex location for me to pick up, nor could I add a signature required. That I should contact the shipper to remove their restriction. Told me I could put a note on the gate stating not to deliver the package if I wasn't home and after 3 attempts they would deliver it to a hub where I could pick it up.

Put a note on the gate as directed, in the format that was specified. Driver left it on the first attempt. Left me a note, on my note saying he dropped it over the left side of the gate. He did, it was there, but apparently there is no possible way to modify a shipment from TS USA. On subsequent orders I've left instructions in the box provided asking for TS USA to remove their shipping restrictions so I could redirect it or require a signature. That hasn't worked either and nothing else has been stolen.
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After getting a notice that a package has been shipped, you can usually have it redirected to a local UPS/FedEx store to be held for pickup. I try to do it with any valuable packages.
Not for ammo. FedEx will not hold hazmat material (including ammo) for customer pickup. UPS is the way to go.
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You could get a mailbox at a ups store or similar and send all packages there instead of to your doorstep.
Package was never delivered so it wouldn't matter, they would have just pulled the same thing with the mailbox store. FedEx is not denying they didn't deliver the package, they are just saying the lost it somehow within those 20 minutes.
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Not for ammo. FedEx will not hold hazmat material (including ammo) for customer pickup. UPS is the way to go.
The last ammo I ordered was shipped FedEx ground and they held it at the depot for pickup. They tried to deliver once, neither of us were home to sign and they left a note saying to go to the depot for pickup.

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I personally have mine delivered to my local FedEx store, which lucky for me is a a couple of blocks from my house. Tracking tells me its there and i can swing by after work and sign for it.

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The last ammo I ordered was shipped FedEx ground and they held it at the depot for pickup. They tried to deliver once, neither of us were home to sign and they left a note saying to go to the depot for pickup.

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Not so for me. The FedEx system won't allow me to redirect a hazmat package to one of their locations. Maybe they have a different policy if a signature is required for delivery. I have been able to redirect non-hazmat packages to their facilities for pickup, however.
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I once had about 750 rounds of 9mm go missing from a 1000 round case. I knew something was wrong the second I picked up the box. This was a Fed Ex delivery also. The box was made to look like the rounds could have been just a rough handling mishap. I didn't buy it. Natchez filed a claim and made it right. They sent me another case and said not to worry about the 250 rounds after I offered to pay for them.
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I have been having all my incoming delivery's of any value held at the hub for
UPS or at a FedEx Office location for FedEx. The FedEx Office people have been getting very annoyed about the ammo because it is considered ORM and not allowed at their place.

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UPS tried to steal some 22LR ammo.

They delivered it to the local hub, then instead of putting it on the truck they sent it to Sacramento where it sat for 4 days. It finally got delivered when I emailed UPS and asked them if they were trying to steal my package.



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Package was never delivered so it wouldn't matter, they would have just pulled the same thing with the mailbox store. FedEx is not denying they didn't deliver the package, they are just saying the lost it somehow within those 20 minutes.
Ah, I think I misread the scenario. I thought the 2nd person that came did some switcharoo which caused the package to go missing.
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Steal a package lose a finger. Stealing stops after you start getting people that can't pick their noses. I witnessed somebody stealing a package off my neighbors porch. If I'd been 30 seconds faster I'd have been able to block their car in with mine (was just driving up) I WAS fast enough to snap a pic of their plate. Reported it to sheriff no response. Don't blame them, with all our love and hug the bad guys **** they can't do anything.

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I am fortunate to be able to have my ammo shipped to my work.
Don't have to worry about it sitting on the door step 44 miles away.
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I had a shipment of ammo logged into the FedEx sorting facility and disappeared from there, never logged out.

I have all shipments of any kind delivered to my work but in this case it didn't help.
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