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Old 09-12-2017, 8:21 AM
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I went to my LGS and fondled a few...including the Ranch model in .223...very cool.

http://www.ruger.com/products/americ...eets/6965.html

I was honestly surprised how such small, light rifle fit me as well as it did. Stock was very comfy, and the recoil pad seemed like it would make a poodle-shooter round like the .223 feel like a .22.

I also really liked the predator model, but it was no-where as quick and "whippy" as the ranch was.

Downsides

-no lefty ranch model
-Magazines felt very chintzy, and more than 5 rounds not at option at this point.
-stock was pretty cheap feeling, buuut the bolt/action seemed very solid and overbuilt in the best Ruger traditions.

I also checked out the American in 6.5 creedmoore. that is a slick little rifle too...
http://www.ruger.com/products/americ...ets/16977.html



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Old 09-21-2017, 7:08 PM
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I've got the American Rifle in .22 LR. Great rifle that you can shoot all day.
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My American Predator in 6.5 is a tack driver. Antelope hunt in a few weeks!
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I have the ranch. Had to shave the stock where it hits the barrel at the end. Great shooter. Shot 3/4 moa at 100 yards
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I love my 450 Ranch. Did a bunch of upgrades to it and its ready for my GA hunting trip in November for some swine!




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I’d say buy one but you know you can’t just buy one. I couldn’t.



223 compact on left. 308 predator on right.

In load development process right now. They are awesome rifles. 223 is for boys to have range fun with. 308 is for me to hunt with. And have range fun.

I’ll probably end up getting another in the future.
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Both CDI and PTG make a aics bottom metal for the American short action line of rifles. MDT even makes a chassis and Indian creek has a chassis in the field testing phase.
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I have a stainless .223.
Like it lots.
The factory trigger was a little heavy.
Adjusted the trigger to the minimum.
Much better feel now.
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I will be picking up my 7.62x39 Ranch on Wednesday. I love compact rifles and this one is just about perfect. If they use that mag system on the 5.56 or .300 BO, then I could see more in my future....
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I have a timney trigger on mine and it was well worth the upgrade!
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Thanks for All the input. The fact that this has bottom metal available seals the deal for me.

One question: the shop i found one at has one in .223 specifically. (Its marked with .223 remington, not 5.56/.223.

I understand that .223 will fit, but will 5.56 absolutely not? I think its like 357mag(35ag and 38spcl) and 38special(38special only), right?

Next question, is either the 5.56/.223 or .223 only going to be more accurate? I tend to buy .223 but i want to be able to shoot 5.56 if i happen upon it, but will that equal a severe accuracy difference?
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Thanks for All the input. The fact that this has bottom metal available seals the deal for me.

One question: the shop i found one at has one in .223 specifically. (Its marked with .223 remington, not 5.56/.223.

I understand that .223 will fit, but will 5.56 absolutely not? I think its like 357mag(35ag and 38spcl) and 38special(38special only), right?

Next question, is either the 5.56/.223 or .223 only going to be more accurate? I tend to buy .223 but i want to be able to shoot 5.56 if i happen upon it, but will that equal a severe accuracy difference?


Yes you can shoot 556 in it. And the 1:8 twist means it will stabilize heavier bullets.
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I'm in the market for a $500-$600 or so bolt action 30-06 for deer hunting and am torn between the Ruger American and the Browning AB3 Hunter. The Browning wins hands down on looks with the walnut stock but the Ruger adjustable trigger and reputation for accuracy has me kinda leaning that way. I've owned a couple of Browning rifles in the past and liked them well enough but there's something about the Ruger that screams "You'd be crazy to not buy this gun!"
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I'm in the market for a $500-$600 or so bolt action 30-06 for deer hunting and am torn between the Ruger American and the Browning AB3 Hunter. The Browning wins hands down on looks with the walnut stock but the Ruger adjustable trigger and reputation for accuracy has me kinda leaning that way. I've owned a couple of Browning rifles in the past and liked them well enough but there's something about the Ruger that screams "You'd be crazy to not buy this gun!"
May I ask why 30-06? My friend has one and it’s nice. But a 6.5creed Ruger American will do the same job with less recoil. Guys have taken deer out to 650yds with a 6.5 creedmoor Ruger American. If you want something bigger than the 308 parent case, just go with the 300wm Ruger American Magnum. I have one and love it! No reason to go with 30-06 imho.
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I'm in the market for a $500-$600 or so bolt action 30-06 for deer hunting and am torn between the Ruger American and the Browning AB3 Hunter. The Browning wins hands down on looks with the walnut stock but the Ruger adjustable trigger and reputation for accuracy has me kinda leaning that way. I've owned a couple of Browning rifles in the past and liked them well enough but there's something about the Ruger that screams "You'd be crazy to not buy this gun!"


Ok in the interest of honesty, I today put up a Ruger American 270 with custom Boyd’s stock (one of the few options), mil dot scope etc in the for sale section// I have 2 270s and a Ruger 6.5 for hunting. Just too much.

My take: only my opinion:

The bad- Ruger Americans do not have a lot of after market support. The stocks are light but really really bad. This is really only an issue if you might use a Tripod (yes Tripod to get over stuff and really increase the range) or bipod. The magazines are suspect, but I have seen a guy on YouTube who takes them apart and adds more spring tension by simply turning. I have not tried it.

The good- damn they shoot well for a factory lower cost rifle and are light... for target shooting the Predator series might be a bit better as a hybrid target/hunter with the RPR the better choice for target/PRS style shooting.

For hunting- if you don’t want to upgrade- yes hard to pass..

Tripod example with the Ruger American ( the stock plastic stock is way to flexi and shaky to shoot well in this type of setup) 270


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May I ask why 30-06?

I’m a little partial to the ‘06. Maybe because I own two garands and two bolts in ‘06. Maybe because it was the round that won the big one.

There is no more versatile and overall better round than the ‘06. Some of its children will shoot flatter, like the 270, some of its children will shoot a bigger slug, like the 35 Whelan. Some rounds can out punch it like a 7mag or 300mag. Some rounds are more accurate, like 308 or the 6.5CM. Everything else does something better, but nothing else does everything so well and in everything from a 130 to a 200+ grain bullet. That’s a very big spread. You never are wrong with an ‘06. You can find ammo anywhere and everywhere.

It’s the round everything else is compared to. It is easy on barrels and moderate on recoil.

I picked up a ruger predator in 308 because I wanted a smaller lighter 18” barrel rifle to hunt with. Which is the one drawback of an ‘06. They are usually bigger and heavier. Not as much fun to carry in the field.

And if you reload, the ‘06 is a dream. All that case capacity and a long neck to seat bigger bullets. There’s more bullet options than any other caliber and more powders that work in it than any other round.

Everyone should own an ‘06. The reason it’s called the “06” is because it was born in 1906. The fact that it’s still so popular today ought to tell you something.

As for hunting rifles, way to much is put into the whole thing. You need something that puts a suitable bullet into a 9” paper plate sized target at 300 yds reliably and consistently. There’s tons of rifles and rounds that will do that. Old, new, pretty, not so pretty.
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I’m a little partial to the ‘06. Maybe because I own two garands and two bolts in ‘06. Maybe because it was the round that won the big one.

There is no more versatile and overall better round than the ‘06. Some of its children will shoot flatter, like the 270, some of its children will shoot a bigger slug, like the 35 Whelan. Some rounds can out punch it like a 7mag or 300mag. Some rounds are more accurate, like 308 or the 6.5CM. Everything else does something better, but nothing else does everything so well and in everything from a 130 to a 200+ grain bullet. That’s a very big spread. You never are wrong with an ‘06. You can find ammo anywhere and everywhere.

It’s the round everything else is compared to. It is easy on barrels and moderate on recoil.

I picked up a ruger predator in 308 because I wanted a smaller lighter 18” barrel rifle to hunt with. Which is the one drawback of an ‘06. They are usually bigger and heavier. Not as much fun to carry in the field.

And if you reload, the ‘06 is a dream. All that case capacity and a long neck to seat bigger bullets. There’s more bullet options than any other caliber and more powders that work in it than any other round.

Everyone should own an ‘06. The reason it’s called the “06” is because it was born in 1906. The fact that it’s still so popular today ought to tell you something.

As for hunting rifles, way to much is put into the whole thing. You need something that puts a suitable bullet into a 9” paper plate sized target at 300 yds reliably and consistently. There’s tons of rifles and rounds that will do that. Old, new, pretty, not so pretty.
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I want the 30-06 because I can hunt everything from coyotes to deer to elk and antelope with it and all I have to do is change bullets. And, I can walk into darned near any sporting goods store in the country that carries rifle ammo and they'll have some 06 ammo, and it won't be expensive.
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9" at 300??? Sure if you hunt under 100 yards

Forgetting calibers.. animals move, yardage can be a bit off do to LOS, supports can be less stable, wind if shooting further, hart rate up and time to make decisions shorter.

Starting out with a 3MOA system is NOT something one should do if hoping to shoot must past 100 - even then..
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9" at 300??? Sure if you hunt under 100 yards

Forgetting calibers.. animals move, yardage can be a bit off do to LOS, supports can be less stable, wind if shooting further, hart rate up and time to make decisions shorter.

Starting out with a 3MOA system is NOT something one should do if hoping to shoot must past 100 - even then..
My hunting round is a .30-30....talk about rainbow trajectory...haha. Please dont start a caliber pissing match in this thread. We're talking minute of deer here and 30-06, .223, .308, etc all have taken more than enough deer to cement their efficacy in real world shooting situations.
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Please dont start a caliber pissing match in this thread. .
??? I said caliber aside: Maybe it is my crappy writing - but that was meant to mean - as in no part of the discussion. - I made zero mention of the caliber choice for hunting.

Sometimes a 22 is best or a shotgun, I have no idea what caliber might be the best choice for ones hunting parameters with such a general "for hunting" statement and such would NOT make a recommendation - so many good choices depending on the use. BTW you will not see me bashing the 06 thats what I shot as a kid and still think it is a great round.
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??? I said caliber aside: Maybe it is my crappy writing - but that was meant to mean - as in no part of the discussion. - I made zero mention of the caliber choice for hunting.

Sometimes a 22 is best or a shotgun, I have no idea what caliber might be the best choice for ones hunting parameters with such a general "for hunting" statement and such would NOT make a recommendation - so many good choices depending on the use. BTW you will not see me bashing the 06 thats what I shot as a kid and still think it is a great round.
hey diver, i reread your post - i think i misunderstood what you were saying, my bad.
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9" at 300??? Sure if you hunt under 100 yards

Forgetting calibers.. animals move, yardage can be a bit off do to LOS, supports can be less stable, wind if shooting further, hart rate up and time to make decisions shorter.

Starting out with a 3MOA system is NOT something one should do if hoping to shoot must past 100 - even then..


9” at 300 yards didn’t mean to imply 3moa rifles. What I meant was that with most hunting scopes, a typical 3-9x, thicker crosshairs, etc, off a typical soft rest, etc, putting 3-5 shots on a 9” paper plate at 300 is not too bad shooting. That accounts for wind, range, etc. Consider that most typical hunting ammo is usually 1.5 moa, that’s 4.5” at 300. Under ideal conditions.

Wanna know what 9” looks like? Aside from the obvious, spread you hand out. Thumb tip to pinky tip. That’s around 9”. That’s well inside a deer’s chest cavity. A center hold should be within that circumference.

Vast majority of deer shots are well under 300. People have been killing plenty of deer for decades with rifles that were 1.5-2 moa with factory ammo. Taking a shot over 300 is simply not common enough nor should be tried by any but an experienced shooter. Hunters and shooting are two separate things. I’m a good shooter but my hunting skills are not great. I can make a shot if one presented itself. The if is the problem for me.

So no, 9” at 300 yards is not a bad yardstick. The rifle will most likely do better. In fact, the hunter/shooter shouldn’t shoot beyond the 5 shot 9” paper plate measure. And from a typical shooting position.

Wonder how many deer have been shot with old sporterized milsurps after the war? Or 30-30’s? Or whatever else old rifles a farmer or rancher had. Freezers have been filled for hundreds of years by people for whom hunting season is an empty freezer. These guys were trying to feed their families not bag a trophy. They did quite well with less than precision rifles.

We all love accuracy. And with modern machining and better manufacturing processes we get far more accurate rifles for far less, and better ammo and bullets and everything else. We’re spoiled I guess. We forget a helluva lot of venison was bagged before all this. And like everything else it seems, we focus on gear and not skill. Skillz is still skillz. Beats gear all the time.
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