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Old 09-21-2019, 3:52 PM
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Default We need another indoor pistol range in the South Bay.

But which Bay Area city/county will allow this to happen?
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Old 09-21-2019, 4:11 PM
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I've said it here before: There are no public indoor ranges from the Marin area all the way down south through SF, San Mateo county to Reed's in Santa Clara- where else is there this much area & population without an indoor range for them to pay to shoot at? Where else can a potential business be the only game in town like this one could be? Sounds like a small business owners dream to have zero competition & that large of a customer base.
I sure hope there's an entrepreneur out there with resources & capital looking real hard at a sure thing like this. If you build it they will come!
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So you guys have never heard about Sunnyvale Rod & Gun Club?
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So you guys have never heard about Sunnyvale Rod & Gun Club?
Outdoor range. OP was asking about indoor ranges. Jackson's in SSF (closed a year ago already?) was the only indoor range for the entire Peninsula & beyond unless you want to cross a bridge or go all the way down to Santa Clara.
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So you guys have never heard about Sunnyvale Rod & Gun Club?
That's NOT and indoor range.
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I sure hope there's an entrepreneur out there with resources & capital looking real hard at a sure thing like this. If you build it they will come!
There is at least $10M a month going to start ups with the most idiot ideas you can imagine. And they are located all around Santa Clara County ( and San Francisco). And a Gun Range actually sells itself far more. Seen alot of folks going to shot in Reeds and many are far far young in Tech business. Since Large Box Retail like Walmart and Dicks have eliminated Guns and Ammo and reduced competing with LGS. LGS can easily grow profitable if they do it right and if no government interference.
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The problem is virtue signaling in CA. Especially in the SF Liberal Area.

Hell, Colt won't even sell guns to civilians anymore. Not because there is no market, but because they don't to get sued because some evil ****bag used one of the guns they made.

Look what they did to Target Masters. Yes it was a ****ty range, but.... they were shut down due to liberal media pressure. The whole lead abatement thing was a sham.
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Good luck with any new range being approved...

Reeds or shoot outside...
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You guys absolutely need to shoot indoors, or would you rather shoot at a range that is clean, well run, well priced and has excellent natural ventilation? The shooting bays are inside just the target area is outside.

I've shot at every range in the Bay Area, even considered purchasing Jackson Arms at one time with some partners, yet I still think SRGC is the best around. Definitely has the cleanest bathrooms!
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You guys absolutely need to shoot indoors, or would you rather shoot at a range that is clean, well run, well priced and has excellent natural ventilation? The shooting bays are inside just the target area is outside.

I've shot at every range in the Bay Area, even considered purchasing Jackson Arms at one time with some partners, yet I still think SRGC is the best around. Definitely has the cleanest bathrooms!
Vegas by far has great indoor and outdoor ranges. Lounge areas, beverages and great selection of guns. A great model to copy in the Bay Area.
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What’s the nearest Indian reservation? If casinos are allowed, why not indoor gun ranges?
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The problem is virtue signaling in CA. Especially in the SF Liberal Area.

Hell, Colt won't even sell guns to civilians anymore. Not because there is no market, but because they don't to get sued because some evil ****bag used one of the guns they made.

Look what they did to Target Masters. Yes it was a ****ty range, but.... they were shut down due to liberal media pressure. The whole lead abatement thing was a sham.
Exactly. You may as well be asking for a KKK recruitment center in central Harlem.
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The problem is alot of it is going to ride on politics if you can get a city to agree to it that's the biggest hurdle
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The problem is virtue signaling in CA. Especially in the SF Liberal Area.

Hell, Colt won't even sell guns to civilians anymore. Not because there is no market,
The problem with Colt is they suck as a business.

I'm only basing my opinion on the multiple times they've filed for bankruptcy.

The moment another AR-15 manufacture is willing to put up with all the headaches it takes to become a military weapons contractor Colt is done for.
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Well, there's a *very nice* indoor range in San Mateo, right in the Coyote Point Park. It is truly state of the art facility, the only catch is it is for LEO use only, off limits for general public...
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The problem with Colt is they suck as a business.

I'm only basing my opinion on the multiple times they've filed for bankruptcy.

The moment another AR-15 manufacture is willing to put up with all the headaches it takes to become a military weapons contractor Colt is done for.
There are. When I was deployed, FN was my M16A2
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There are. When I was deployed, FN was my M16A2
Same here. I've actually never seen a COLT lower in my military time. They have always been FN
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Haven't heard anything recent on this lately, but there is a guy trying to open a sporting goods store and an indoor range in downtown Martinez. Has a lot of supporters and a LOT of opposition. But, I'm' surprised the City hasn't nixed the idea from the get go. They seem to be open to it.
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Same here. I've actually never seen a COLT lower in my military time. They have always been FN
My first deployment was a Colt. Was weird though, it said AR15 and US Government on it, but was definitely select fire, with 3 rd burst.... Don't have proof of that though, just my recollection.
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I often hear about shooting occurring in Oakland, where are those facilities?
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If you do any significant amount of shooting, indoor ranges, and their questionable ventilation are no bueno over time man. If you shoot five hundred rounds a year maybe not. But breathing lead and combustion byproducts like that on a regular basis is seriously not a good idea.
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We need a gentlemen's club in Clayton. But it's not going to happen.
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Haven't heard anything recent on this lately, but there is a guy trying to open a sporting goods store and an indoor range in downtown Martinez. Has a lot of supporters and a LOT of opposition. But, I'm' surprised the City hasn't nixed the idea from the get go. They seem to be open to it.
Swear, now I wont have to drive to Dublin or livermore.
Assuming the Mafioso s let it happen.
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I often hear about shooting occurring in Oakland, where are those facilities?
Itís just the streets of east Oakland. Anywhere you like
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I have looked into opening an indoor range several times, and every corner I turned had very little signs of profitability. The same goes with LGS here in the bay area. The number of gun and ammo buyers is on the decline, and those that are buying in bulk are buying from the web and shipping to dealers at a lower cost. While there are those that are surviving off the $50-100 charges, the cost of overhead and time is not worth it to me. I'd much rather buy a small piece of property to shoot on.


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If we can just keep all the indoor and outdoor ranges operating...

What was the story about Twin Sisters in Fairfield?
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You guys absolutely need to shoot indoors, or would you rather shoot at a range that is clean, well run, well priced and has excellent natural ventilation? The shooting bays are inside just the target area is outside.

I've shot at every range in the Bay Area, even considered purchasing Jackson Arms at one time with some partners, yet I still think SRGC is the best around. Definitely has the cleanest bathrooms!
SRGC is great in every aspect except that you have to shoot pistols at 25 yards. I want to be able to shoot at 5, 7, and 15 yards too. In fact, I want to shoot at those distances far more than at 25 yards.
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I have looked into opening an indoor range several times, and every corner I turned had very little signs of profitability. The same goes with LGS here in the bay area. The number of gun and ammo buyers is on the decline, and those that are buying in bulk are buying from the web and shipping to dealers at a lower cost. While there are those that are surviving off the $50-100 charges, the cost of overhead and time is not worth it to me. I'd much rather buy a small piece of property to shoot on.


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I cannot believe that Jackson Arms wasn't making good money. There was always a long line on the weekends, and even on weekday evenings I'd often have to wait to shoot. The prices weren't cheap either--$18 a lane for an hour, plus extra for additional shooters. They'd make a ton more money on selling ammo, renting guns to casual shooters who don't have guns/ammo of their own.
Like I posted above, I considered buying it along with 2 partners years back, mainly so we could shoot there at night after closing. Got to look at the books and there was barely any profit (which was why asking price was so cheap). Yes, they could afford to operate at slightly above break-even, but who wants to do that year after year with increasing lease, operational, OSHA and CA anti-gun attitudes?

Anyone thinking it's easy running a gun range, think about securing & maintaining armor plate, industrial ventilation equipment and massive insurance rates, plus legal fees and absolutely clean accounting and administrative filing. Now add crazy real estate prices, inventories and HR costs.
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TS, I thought you mean South Bay in SoCal....But yea same stuff applies down here too. We need more shooting ranges in general.
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Didn't Milpitas PD train or qualify at Targetmasters?
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Give the range in San Leandro a try. It is at the end of Davis st. just south of the airport. They have a neat and tidy well-run range. They have outdoors and indoors. 12 yrds up to 100 yrds for rifles. On the 11th of each month; vets shoot free!
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Like I posted above, I considered buying it along with 2 partners years back, mainly so we could shoot there at night after closing. Got to look at the books and there was barely any profit (which was why asking price was so cheap). Yes, they could afford to operate at slightly above break-even, but who wants to do that year after year with increasing lease, operational, OSHA and CA anti-gun attitudes?

Anyone thinking it's easy running a gun range, think about securing & maintaining armor plate, industrial ventilation equipment and massive insurance rates, plus legal fees and absolutely clean accounting and administrative filing. Now add crazy real estate prices, inventories and HR costs.
I'm related to the owner of Jackson and I can tell you for a fact he didn't close because he was barley making it. The biggest problem was because of OSHA was coming down on him due to high lead levels. The traps where from the original store next to hgwy 101 and where never upgraded. If he would have invested in the new chopped up rubber tire traps the lead dust would have been minimal. The tire traps are so efficient they capture the projectiles with very little deformation.
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What happened to the range at 10th st in sj?
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What happened to the range at 10th st in sj?
Still there- but I thought they only allow .22lr lead projectiles. At least last I checked.

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The city of San Jose is closing it. It's already closed to the public. They demolish the building early next year.
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The city of San Jose is closing it. It's already closed to the public. They demolish the building early next year.
Oh dang. Thanks for the correction.

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The liberal bay area is not conducive to opening a new gun range when they are focused on the closing of those ranges still remaining.
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