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View Poll Results: 30-30 deer rifle: Marlin 336 or TC G2 Contender
Marlin 336 37 90.24%
TC G2 Contender 4 9.76%
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Old 09-07-2019, 7:02 PM
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I have an old Coast to Coast bolt action carbine 30-30 that shoots amazingly well out to about 150 meters with a little 4x optic and a Win 94 30-30 with 24"bbl that shoots amazingly poorly at 150 meters with iron sights both using the Hornady LeverRevolution 160 gr round. Despite the age of the cartridge I really love shooting 30-30's and one cannot argue that used within its range limits it has taken an incredible amount of game.
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Old 09-07-2019, 8:51 PM
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One more vote for the Marlin 336. It's ergonomics are good and if you're a good shot it will make a nice deer rifle out to 100+ yards. The .30-30 is still a fine cartridge for that purpose. A small 4x scope will increase your range out to about 200 yards.

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Old 09-07-2019, 10:22 PM
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Hi Smitty, my vote is the 336. Do you have any thoughts on the Henry 30-30 with loading gate, tho? Very fine looking and shooting rifle.

I have a 336 that is very accurate and comfortable to shoot, but i’m eventually going to add a Henry, and a miroku winchester.
I prefer the side loading gate so I'm not in love with the henry rifle.

The miroku winchesters are the best winchesters imo but $$$$. I think if I was willing to pay that much I'd probably get a take-down. My friend has a deluxe take-down in 45 LC and its very classy and fine shooting gun.
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I love my Marlin 30-30, its a great brush gun, I put a Skinner peep sight on it and its deadly out to 200 yds even with my terrible eyes; a good shooter with better eyes I'm sure could extend that range significantly.
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I love my Marlin 30-30, its a great brush gun, I put a Skinner peep sight on it and its deadly out to 200 yds even with my terrible eyes; a good shooter with better eyes I'm sure could extend that range significantly.
I just bought a pre-safety 336 and will be putting a peep sight on it.

I’m not sure were the “bush gun” label comes from but I don’t consider it a bush only gun.

Bush gun as I know is a “sub 75 yard” gun and 30-30 is easily a 200-225 yard gun and extend that to 250 with rubber pointed copper bullets. I won’t shoot game past that regardless of caliber.
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I have an old version 94 and a 336. At 2 minute mark Paul shows how the two guns throw out the empties. For me, the 94 throwing the empties back at me is annoying. This is also true of the angle eject 94 (which I used to have also). I do not know exactly how the 464 Mossy throws the shells.











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Darto, I have and shoot a Mod 94 AE. Mine does not "throw the empties back at me" what so ever. More like a 90 degree straight out to the right. It's why I settled on the AE as opposed to the top eject 94's.
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I’m not sure were the “bush gun” label comes from but I don’t consider it a bush only gun.
Now that you mention it, I'm not sure what people mean by bush/brush gun, I just meant I can take it anywhere, crawl under fences, scratch it up a bit and just not worry about it, its easy to carry slung on my back, stout, and shoots straight. And with that low profile skinner sight, it doesn't get hung up in tall brush or on branches, etc. That's what I meant.
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I prefer the side loading gate so I'm not in love with the henry rifle.

The miroku winchesters are the best winchesters imo but $$$$. I think if I was willing to pay that much I'd probably get a take-down. My friend has a deluxe take-down in 45 LC and its very classy and fine shooting gun.
Henry has a new model .30-30 with both a receiver loading gate and the normal Henry tube loading gate.

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/side-gate-lever-action/
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Henry has a new model .30-30 with both a receiver loading gate and the normal Henry tube loading gate.

https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/side-gate-lever-action/
I recently examined a couple of Henry rifle's at the local store. Peering into the mechanism, I would say it is a duplicate of the Marlin 336. Rear locking bolt, lifter. Well built rifles.

I am going to say that the push safety on the Marlins is an improvement and I did not see one on the Henry. Lots of accidental discharges have occurred in Marlins when the spur slipped from under the thumb as the hammer was being lowered to half cock. It gets worse with gloves or cold fingers. The push safety also allows dry firing without breaking the firing pin. My pre push safety M1894, the firing pin broke into multiple pieces due to dry firing.
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200 yards is the farthest distance that I’ll shoot at and for that ideally I’d prefer a scope, however, most deer I see are within 75 yards and after 5 pm when they’re in the shadows.
Since the Marlin has an angled ejection port, a scope is do-able with it. There are two options that may be possible, for a scope/iron sights combo.

One is that you can use scope mounts that have 'see through' base (holes below the scope rigns) allowing you to see the stock iron sights if you wish.

The second would be to put a picatinny rail (or pads) on for the mount of the scope and use quick-release scope rings. If you do that, you would pack the scope in your backpack or coat and then mount it if you see a long range shot you think you could make.
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I'd be concerned with using an old obsolete cartridge such as a 30-30.

The 30-30 cartridge may have taken more North American Game than all other center fire cartridges
combined in the last 100 years, but why chance it today with all the new & improved available calibers?

Really: or are you kidding? Please answer before my Rant is complete.

I guess he should shoot a 100 lb deer with a .300 Weatherby just in case it is tougher than the millions that were killed over the last 100 years with .30-30's?

This is exactly what I was talking about in the 6.5 Creedmore thread. The 6.5 c offers nothing ballistically in excess of a 6.5X55 Swede which is over 100 years old. The only thing that has changed is the bullets and powders they use, and those same powders work equally well in both rounds.

Now all of a sudden 100 lb deer are way tougher than they were 100 years ago. The number of Quote,,,"Obsolete Cartridges" there are now is really a testament to Marketing more than Performance.


New cartridges are like new jokes. I reiterate,,,, Nothing significant has happened since 1960 except better bullets and barrels.

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Really: or are you kidding? Please answer before my Rant is complete.



I guess he should shoot a 100 lb deer with a .300 Weatherby just in case it is tougher than the millions that were killed over the last 100 years with .30-30's?



This is exactly what I was talking about in the 6.5 Creedmore thread. The 6.5 c offers nothing ballistically in excess of a 6.5X55 Swede which is over 100 years old. The only thing that has changed is the bullets and powders they use, and those same powders work equally well in both rounds.



Now all of a sudden 100 lb deer are way tougher than they were 100 years ago. The number of Quote,,,"Obsolete Cartridges" there are now is really a testament to Marketing more than Performance.





New cartridges are like new jokes. I reiterate,,,, Nothing significant has happened since 1960 except better bullets and barrels.



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Here’s where you’re mistaken. I was watching some YouTube videos, so you should know I have this on very good authority.

See, the 6.5CM uses a 6.5mm diameter bullet, which as you know has amazing ballistic characteristics. When shot out of the creedmor case, it maximizes those characteristics.

The 6.5x55 Swede uses a 6.5mm diameter bullet which as you know is over 100 years old and hasn’t taken advantage of the latest in technological design advancements to ballistic characteristics. When shot out of the Swede case, the combination of old technology and old technology render the round rather impotent.

The list of obsolete 100 year old cartridges is quite long really. It would have to start with the useless 30-06. I mean, what’s the story with that round? I don’t recall it ever being put to much use.




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I was watching some YouTube videos, so you should know I have this on very good authority.
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It would have to start with the useless 30-06. I mean, what’s the story with that round? I don’t recall it ever being put to much use.
WW-I, WW-II were won with the 30-06. Also used in Korea, and Vietnam.
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WW-I, WW-II were won with the 30-06


Really? When did they happen? I saw a few movies. Weren’t there were like airplanes or something.


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WTF? I thought this was a friendly discussion about rifles, not an asshat club.


I was being a little sarcastic about obsolete cartridges. Older cartridges are definitely not obsolete. And there’s a lot of faddishness to the hype and hoopla surrounding the “latest and greatest” thing. Thus the YouTube comment and on good authority.

The ‘06 is still as good a round as there is. I have several and there’s nothing outdated or obsolete about it. Same with 6.5x55. Amazing round.

I woulda thought the humor would have been obvious (it was for some) when I said whatever use had the ‘06 been put to much use. Guess I was wrong. Sorry for the confusion.

The OP was trying to figure out why a 30-30 can’t still be a great deer round. Of course it can. And he’s right. Little has really changed in all these years. Millions of deer have been killed by 30-30’s and ‘06’s and whatever. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel, when the wheel was perfected already, a long time ago.


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