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Old 08-19-2019, 8:52 PM
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Our stated policy as to what constitutes good cause for the issuance of a permit is stated below for your information:

".....specifically state under the section entitled "Qualifications for a CCW license" those circumstances which present convincing evidence of a clear and present danger to life, or great bodily harm to the applicant, his/her spouse or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by applicant's carrying of a concealed firearm."

"Convincing evidence of a clear and present danger..." refers to a current situation which involves a specific person(s) who has threatened an individual and who has displayed a pattern of behavior which would suggest that the threat(s) could be carried out. Situations which would suggest only a potential danger to ones safety (e.g. carrying large amounts of money to the bank, profession/job, working late hours in a high crime rate area, etc do not satisfy the criteria for issuance of a concealed weapons license."
Sounds "dark red" to me.

Another CGNer PMed me with about their recent denial and they felt dark red is the correct color.

With the "Bearing Arms" cases before SCOTUS (NYSRPA, Rogers, Gould, Cheeseman), we don't want to waste time with updates when SCOTUS may force nationwide change in our favor (we hope), especially since we say on the map it may be off by 1 color either direction.
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Old 08-19-2019, 9:02 PM
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As expected, I recieved my denial for a ccw permit from LA County today. I applied following AV's statements indicating he'd be willing to issue to those with certain situations.



My good cause was essentially (paraphrasing):

I work in a dangerous area surrounded by very valuable equipment worth millions, in the middle of the night by myself, in a high crime area with a documented history of service requests from the police. I also live in a rural area where response times may be delayed.



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Dear Mr. Economou



We have recieved and reviewed your application for a concealed weapon license. The circumstances, as outlined in the application, do not satisfy the requirements for the existence of good cause and we must, pursuant to our policy, deny your request.



Our stated policy as to what constitutes good cause for the issuance of a permit is stated below for your information:



".....specifically state under the section entitled "Qualifications for a CCW license" those circumstances which present convincing evidence of a clear and present danger to life, or great bodily harm to the applicant, his/her spouse or dependent child, which cannot be adequately dealt with by existing law enforcement resources and which danger cannot be reasonably avoided by alternative measures, and which danger would be significantly mitigated by applicant's carrying of a concealed firearm."



"Convincing evidence of a clear and present danger..." refers to a current situation which involves a specific person(s) who has threatened an individual and who has displayed a pattern of behavior which would suggest that the threat(s) could be carried out. Situations which would suggest only a potential danger to ones safety (e.g. carrying large amounts of money to the bank, profession/job, working late hours in a high crime rate area, etc do not satisfy the criteria for issuance of a concealed weapons license."



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Wow. Really sorry to hear this. That is incredible.

Well, it looks like AV has proven himself to be the Sheriff we expected all along and is no different than McDonnell. While I am not surprised by these outcomes, it is still disappointing and discouraging.
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Old 08-19-2019, 9:22 PM
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It seems that AV continues drawing controversies and negative lights upon himself. There was this news earlier in the day:


Fired Deputy Who Was Rehired by Sheriff Villanueva is Ordered to Give Up His Badge and Gun https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...tml?akmobile=o

I think it is unlikely that he will start issuing CCWs any time soon, otherwise he will draw even more criticisms and controversies.

We traded a bad Sheriff for a worse Sheriff in LA County.
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Old 08-26-2019, 4:48 PM
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CCW application tsunami?

Just for discussion sake, what if there were to be an organized effort to have a very large and diverse number of CCW applications hit the LASD at the same time. This would be in conjunction with a PR effort by 2A groups making the public aware of the sudden flood of applications and of course the eventual denials. Of course the fact that neighboring jurisdictions do issue CCWs would also be pushed.

The goal would be more about protest of LASD not issuing and general CCW awareness than expecting them to issue. Perhaps some skilled 2A litigators could also spin some straw into gold as well.

Thoughts?
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CCW application tsunami?

Just for discussion sake, what if there were to be an organized effort to have a very large and diverse number of CCW applications hit the LASD at the same time. This would be in conjunction with a PR effort by 2A groups making the public aware of the sudden flood of applications and of course the eventual denials. Of course the fact that neighboring jurisdictions do issue CCWs would also be pushed.

The goal would be more about protest of LASD not issuing and general CCW awareness than expecting them to issue. Perhaps some skilled 2A litigators could also spin some straw into gold as well.

Thoughts?
Currently, I don't think there is any real consequences to being anti-CCW or anti-gun in L.A. Not enough to change the behavior of an elected official. Also, while AV may have given "dark red" good cause as examples, the implementation, right now, appears to be unchanged from previous cronies. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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I think it would be effective at showing the county to county disparity in issuing CCWs. Maybe a planned "LAC CCW Application Day" set a few months ahead . Kind of a "flash crowd" idea

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CCW application tsunami?

Just for discussion sake, what if there were to be an organized effort to have a very large and diverse number of CCW applications hit the LASD at the same time. This would be in conjunction with a PR effort by 2A groups making the public aware of the sudden flood of applications and of course the eventual denials. Of course the fact that neighboring jurisdictions do issue CCWs would also be pushed.

The goal would be more about protest of LASD not issuing and general CCW awareness than expecting them to issue. Perhaps some skilled 2A litigators could also spin some straw into gold as well.

Thoughts?


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This is southern California. I think LASO would bask in the confirmation that they don’t issue many CCWs and the neighboring agencies would take heat because they do.
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Just for discussion sake, what if there were to be an organized effort to have a very large and diverse number of CCW applications hit the LASD at the same time.
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This "mass applications as a protest" idea comes up here fairly regularly. It's not a good idea. They can mass reject application perfectly easily. I'm pretty sure that after the Peruta panel decision, there was in fact a mass amount of applications, which were met with a mass rejection after the panel decision was overturned. The county doesn't shed any tears when they send a rejection letter, or 1000 rejection letters. It costs a $10 fee to submit the preliminary app so it doesn't even cost the county any funds to reject it. It's a form letter.

This is not an effective protest because the fact is, the sheriff is doing exactly what the voters want him to do.

These are the same reasons why gun rights protest marches are a bad idea.

Why are leftist protests effective? Because they are actually organized with the cooperation of the existing leadership here and are supported by voters here. None of that applies to us.
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A sheriff deputy told me the CCW license will be much easier to get in about 6 months or so. We'll see.
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I am from Cerritos, CA, where do I turn in the application?
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I am from Cerritos, CA, where do I turn in the application?


Applications from most cities within LA County are now consolidated at the LA County Sheriff’s Department, but you should call the Cerritos Sheriff’s Station to confirm.
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I don’t recall any other corroborating evidence to support this statement since the original post was posted. It may be just hearsay, in my opinion. How do we check in two weeks if this is true? Any ideas?
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To get a permit in LA City or County you will have to be very famous and or big time political donor.
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I don’t recall any other corroborating evidence to support this statement since the original post was posted. It may be just hearsay, in my opinion. How do we check in two weeks if this is true? Any ideas?
(1) I was bumping it as a reminder. (2) It could be that Sheriff AV is watching to see if SCOTUS takes NYSRPA or a Carry case next month. Or it could just be a coincidence that CCWs were also predicted to liberalize next month.
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I have been searching on the latest update on Villanueva and CCW applications. No dice. Anybody else have any update on this?
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I have been searching on the latest update on Villanueva and CCW applications. No dice. Anybody else have any update on this?
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