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Old 09-19-2019, 5:39 AM
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Default Randy Wise Stuns With 2,158-Yard Shot, Sets New ELR World Record

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https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2019/...r-world-record

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...-world-record/
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Old 09-19-2019, 6:13 AM
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Whhhaaaat? He used a Savage......with a stock barrel?
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Whhhaaaat? He used a Savage......with a stock barrel?
And no TacomHQ Charlie??

OK boys that's a man that knows his weapon.

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Looks like about a 60 moa cant on the scope.

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“cold bore, he went three for three shooting at a 36-inch square white steel plate.”

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Old 09-19-2019, 6:10 PM
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Hardly at all surprising. ULR/ELR is becoming more and more popular and increasingly more and more attempts. Each new "record" only extends just a lil bit further out than the previous "record". These aren't going to stop for a while.
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Old 09-19-2019, 6:27 PM
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A Stock savage action and stock barrel! Wow.

And all the Remmy bois who always bag on Savage.
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Old 09-20-2019, 12:02 AM
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Yup, contrary to a lot of "wisdom" espoused on the manual centerfire forum. Like chassis suck, you need a stock.
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Old 09-20-2019, 6:57 AM
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Yup, contrary to a lot of "wisdom" espoused on the manual centerfire forum.
Yes, it depends on thoroughly sifting and researching the "wisdom" to figure out the (maybe) seven individuals who know what they are talking about.
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Fake news.


Ask any of the experts, only the custom actions with $500 barrels can do that.


Plus, he was using the wrong eye on the scope and hand on the action, you can't get much more fake than that.



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I read Randy's story on SH and this is nothing short of amazing. Lost story short, he lost most of his fingers in a horrible industrial accident and has his trigger finger surgically reconstructed. I tip my hat to him
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Not trying to buck his new found glory but In reviewing the recent records. David Tubb currently holds an FCSA record under similar rules and conditions at 2200. So we have two two entities certifying records. So I guess it's like any other sport. You may hold a world record but in who's class??
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Old 09-21-2019, 6:33 AM
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The way I remember that story is Tubb record was recognized prematurely. Somebody pointed out that it came in a match and that there wasn't the required "cold" period before the target was shot. I think it was the FCSA that decided they would also be recording world records and rather than taking a record away that they had already awarded, they let it stand. It's kind of a pity record.

Bringing it up is kind of petty though.

In one corner, we have Tubb taking multiple attempts at that record with specially developed cartridges and no expense spared equipment. His "record" has a cloud over it.

In the other, we have Randy showing up with a factory Savage Action in 338 Lapua using a pretty standard jacketed bullet load. Even Randy's fingers are improvised. They were all smashed off in an industrial accident. They built him a good one from the best pieces. He shoots it enough to figure out the first shot from his factory barrel usually goes a half moa low, and the rest will be talked about for years.
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With a little research it doesn't seem that Tubb's record was recognized prematurely, it seems that it was more of very poor communication by the FCSA as to what was going to be conducted at the match and that ELR records were off the table. something about not being up on the rules and not being properly equipped.

I don't know the details behind the match and if they followed ELR centrals rules but apparently not as Tubb's shot is not recognized as a ELR record.

I don't think it's petty to bring it up. I'm not here to argue anything. Just trying to figure out how Wise set a (slightly) shorter "record". Well you have to play by the rules. and if the rules weren't followed it don't matter if you shot 3000 yards it don't mean anything.

I've got more respect for Wise setting this record than Tubb on his. And the respect has nothing to do with missing fingers. It has to do with the guy showing up with a basically stock rifle and and thought to be obsolete cartridge and kicking everyones butt.

The injury is of no consequence or concern to me. We have a guy that shoots and regularly wins our clubs Practical rifle match. He also has no legs and is missing more fingers then he has left. He also can take and dish out the crap. Don't go talking to him like you're sorry or something. He ain't having it. He will talk a bunch of crap then show you how it's done. He has a big mouth but he can back every bit of it up. Unlike me where I just have a big mouth and still shoot like crap.
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I know the 338lm has been around for a while but is it considered antiquated already?
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I know the 338lm has been around for a while but is it considered antiquated already?
Only by the guys with deep pockets chasing wildcat rounds
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Generally most people chasing, or capable of setting, a new record aren't using off the shelf gear. If they are, it's the new hotness of the month, like .300 PRC. In that context, .338 Lapua is ole and busted.
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Generally most people chasing, or capable of setting, a new record aren't using off the shelf gear. If they are, it's the new hotness of the month, like .300 PRC. In that context, .338 Lapua is ole and busted.
Pretty much flavor of the week. Far to many people want the new latest greatest round. Just reinventing the wheel

How many new 6mm or 6.5mm do we need? Guys should think more about trying new bullets then trying new cartridges.
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I hate the "cold bore" line in the article when they can't paint the steel before his official attempt. There were already two hits on it
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I hate the "cold bore" line in the article when they can't paint the steel before his official attempt. There were already two hits on it
1. Repainting a target may cost valuable time at the range due to a cease fire and full cold status. This can take a half hour or longer. So your time on the line Prep time, shoot time, tear down time, & the 30 minutes to go cold check weapons get everyone off the firing line then drive out paint the target and come back.

2. There is a camera pointed at the target with a time stamp. there is also a camera pointed at the shooter with a time stamp. So if there is any concern over who hit what the two pieces of video can be reviewed and compared.
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Old 09-25-2019, 11:57 AM
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I'm not concerned about the shooter being the shooter on record. The cold bore phrasing implies it was the first time he had shot at the target, but obviously someone else or two had hit it at least twice.

Was this attempt simply to claim 3 consecutive impacts at that distance or just to make the shot at all?

Seems like if you are going for a world record, you'd paint the target before each shooter can even get started. Unless this attempt was a group of people all trying one after the other.
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Cold bore to me is taking the rifle out of the truck and your first three shots of the day are the only shots that count.
If you make several attempts per day with a 30 minute time lapse between strings you got lucky and the conditions didn't change.
I don't know how either record was achieved but getting three in a row past 2000 yards is good shooting.
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Old 09-28-2019, 12:29 PM
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All that information is linked in the original post. You just have to read it.

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To set the new mark Wise had to meet the stringent conditions ELR Central (an organization of ELR competitors) requires for qualification as a record. Those regulations are challenging, even for accomplished marksmen, and allow the firing of only three shots in a 3-minute period. All must impact a target no larger than 36 inches and neither the shooter, nor the rifle, may have fired within the last five hours.
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Sounds like the other hits were from other shooters' attempts at the record.
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All that information is linked in the original post. You just have to read it.
So you get 3 chances per day. Once at 7 am once at high noon and once again at 5 pm.
In my opinion you should only get one chance per day.
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So you get 3 chances per day. Once at 7 am once at high noon and once again at 5 pm.
In my opinion you should only get one chance per day.
it doesn't lay out the way time wise. You have other shooters attempting a record. So lets say it takes a good three hours to get 20 shooters through their attempts you have 60 minutes of just shooting time on the clock not including prep time. So three hours to move 20 shooters through a stage is generous.

So a 12 hour day with two relays is reasonable.
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