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Old 12-09-2016, 8:29 AM
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Cool My AR308 "featureless" build, how did I do?

I had planned to do an AR10/308 build next year or buy a complete 308 semi-auto rifle (SCAR, PTR 91, etc), but considering the passage of some laws you may have heard of during the Summer, I decided to go all in and just do a ground up build.

So I did an Alex Pro Firearms (APF Armory) build. Which is fortunate because I just realized they said they are no longer shipping to California as of last week.

My build list:

- APF Stripped Lower: $220
- DPMS LPK: $60 (Black Friday Special)
- Geissele G2S trigger: $115 (Black Friday Special)
- Magpul MOE Fixed Stock: $22 (Black Friday Special)
- Stoner Buffer Assembly: $50
- Alex Pro-Fab Complete Upper w/ 20 inch barrel: $500
- Vortex Strike Eagle + Burris PEPR combo: $285 (Black Friday Special)
- PWS FSC Muzzle Brake (BATF Classified as non-flash supressing device): $95
- Kydex A2 Wrap: $30

Total build cost: $1377



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not good enough with the flash hider to keep you out of trouble.
(at stupid laws)

BTW I am not sure anything can keep you out of trouble!!
I dig your stories though! Keep um coming!
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not good enough with the flash hider to keep you out of trouble.
(at stupid laws)

BTW I am not sure anything can keep you out of trouble!!
I dig your stories though! Keep um coming!
Yeah I did take off the bird cage, but got excited when I mounted the scope and forgot to take a pic with the comp.

haha, the stories are just part of my life. I find it funny that people in off-topic think I'm making it all up. Part of the fun for me.
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Looks good. I did one similar but it was a 556 with MIAD+Backfin. I put a Thordson + AR10 spacer on a 16" Gen1 PA-10, but it is a basic build with the good old Delta ring - one of those special $360 complete uppers they offered a few years back.

I have a gen2 PA-10 complete lower coming in today that will be done like yours with the fixed carbine stock and MIAD+Exile Backfin, Lantac Brake and Lantac CMC trigger. Wating for that $999 18" complete upper with 15" tube to go on special... they just raised the price up a couple hundred and the stock is low. Might be a while.
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Looks good. I did one similar but it was a 556 with MIAD+Backfin. I put a Thordson + AR10 spacer on a 16" Gen1 PA-10, but it is a basic build with the good old Delta ring - one of those special $360 complete uppers they offered a few years back.

I have a gen2 PA-10 complete lower coming in today that will be done like yours with the fixed carbine stock and MIAD+Exile Backfin, Lantac Brake and Lantac CMC trigger. Wating for that $999 18" complete upper with 15" tube to go on special... they just raised the price up a couple hundred and the stock is low. Might be a while.
Ooh, let me know how you like that lantac brake. I almost bought a Lantac Dragon but the price made me hesitant.
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Old 12-09-2016, 9:54 AM
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Ooh, let me know how you like that lantac brake. I almost bought a Lantac Dragon but the price made me hesitant.
The 762 Dragon is $90 at PSA, last time I ordered one. I figure it is double what I paid for a KAW linear brake, but it actually does something, hahah. I mean besides making things quieter for the shooter and the line.
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:31 AM
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Is that a polymer lower?
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:35 AM
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Is that a polymer lower?
Nope, it's 7075 T6 forged:

http://www.apfarmory.com/308-stripped-lower/
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Gotchya. I think the pic makes it look poly. Was kinda worried for your safety there. Nice rifle.
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Well........... You went "featureless" so........ My vote is........ its ugly. Just my $.02. It looks sexy without that doo hicky thingy mabober doinker kook grip.
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Old 12-09-2016, 10:39 AM
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Gotchya. I think the pic makes it look poly. Was kinda worried for your safety there. Nice rifle.
Don't worry, I've always known of your feelings for me.
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Well........... You went "featureless" so........ My vote is........ its ugly. Just my $.02. It looks sexy without that doo hicky thingy mabober doinker kook grip.


I would rather do featureless than register. But I agree, I wish I didn't have to have a kydex fin.
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That's funny. I just took a picture of my lower at the gun shop and showed my buddy. He asked if it was polymer too.
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That's funny. I just took a picture of my lower at the gun shop and showed my buddy. He asked if it was polymer too.
I think it's because the lowers are brand new, and maybe diffuse lighting.

If the lower had some wear on it, a little chip here and there, it would give off more of a "metal" look.
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I think it's because the lowers are brand new, and maybe diffuse lighting.

If the lower had some wear on it, a little chip here and there, it would give off more of a "metal" look.
Could be. Also could be the trigger guards. Some people are familar with AR's having add-on trigger guard and seeing the solid piece might scream plastic to them.

Oil soaked Parkerization always looks like metal to me
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Yeah I did take off the bird cage, but got excited when I mounted the scope and forgot to take a pic with the comp.

haha, the stories are just part of my life. I find it funny that people in off-topic think I'm making it all up. Part of the fun for me.
The King Comp is a flash hider under CA law as it shares design features with a flash supressor and it advertises to offer flash supression. Sorry.
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The King Comp is a flash hider under CA law as it shares design features with a flash supressor and it advertises to offer flash supression. Sorry.
Are you sure? On the little box, it literally says "compensator and a muzzle brake".
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Ooh, let me know how you like that lantac brake. I almost bought a Lantac Dragon but the price made me hesitant.
The Lantac Dragon qualifies as a flash suppressor. The company claimed flash-suppression capabilities in its marketing copy until very recently.


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Are you sure? On the little box, it literally says "compensator and a muzzle brake".
From the product page at Strike Industries' website:

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Per California law, if the manufacturer claims it suppresses flash, it's a flash suppresor.
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Are you sure? On the little box, it literally says "compensator and a muzzle brake".
From the product page at Strike Industries' website:

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Per California law, if the manufacturer claims it suppresses flash, it's a flash suppresor.
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Are you sure? On the little box, it literally says "compensator and a muzzle brake".
Positive, which is a shame because it certainly looks cool.
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:I agree, I wish I didn't have to have a kydex fin.
We have to do what we think is right. If I were to build an AR I'd go this route rather then to register it. That's just my opinion
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Lantac Dragon:
"Ultra Fast Attenuation (UFA) of muzzle blast gasses helps to reduce side blast and muzzle flash, preventing this Dragon from being a fire breather!"
This is from primary arms, but says nothing about it on Lantac's website.
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Lantac Dragon:
"Ultra Fast Attenuation (UFA) of muzzle blast gasses helps to reduce side blast and muzzle flash, preventing this Dragon from being a fire breather!"
This is from primary arms, but says nothing about it on Lantac's website.
Lantac's website and the product packaging used to say, "Ultra Fast Attenuation of muzzle blast gasses means that Flash Signature is also reduced."
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Good looking build,,,and at a good price!
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Nice build!!! I am planning of using strike industries king comp on my AR10 308 build. Is this good to go as far as california law? Thanks!
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New Lantac CMC trigger for my gen1 came today. It fits. 20% off Cabela's gift cards plus $50 points and free shipping made it cheap. This one feels noticeably better than my CMC 3.5 Flat that I love. The shape and width of it feels better as well as the pull.

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Here's a little PSA bargain build with a Thordsen. MOE SL handguard, Kaw Valley Linear Brake, Hiperfire EDT3 trigger, etc. Nice simple, handy little rifle.

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I had planned to do an AR10/308 build next year or buy a complete 308 semi-auto rifle (SCAR, PTR 91, etc), but considering the passage of some laws you may have heard of during the Summer, I decided to go all in and just do a ground up build.

So I did an Alex Pro Firearms (APF Armory) build. Which is fortunate because I just realized they said they are no longer shipping to California as of last week.

My build list:

- APF Stripped Lower: $220
- DPMS LPK: $60 (Black Friday Special)
- Geissele G2S trigger: $115 (Black Friday Special)
- Magpul MOE Fixed Stock: $22 (Black Friday Special)
- Stoner Buffer Assembly: $50
- Alex Pro-Fab Complete Upper w/ 20 inch barrel: $500
- Vortex Strike Eagle + Burris PEPR combo: $285 (Black Friday Special)
- Strike Industries King Comp 308: $30
- Kydex A2 Wrap: $30

Total build cost: $1312



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Awesome - I have a monster man on mine but will probably change to a Thordsen. Love those stocks.
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I really like the look of that lower. It reminds me of the tactical machine ones. I would have guessed they made it had I not noticed the bolt catch holder. That looks like an even nicer feature!!! How does it work? Is it just holding the pin in place??
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Lantac's website and the product packaging used to say, "Ultra Fast Attenuation of muzzle blast gasses means that Flash Signature is also reduced."
Maybe that was on a gen 1? They are on gen 3's now.
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Maybe that was on a gen 1? They are on gen 3's now.

I bought one at retail within the last year that (I believe) has that exact wording on the packaging.
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Lantac has removed the flash attenuation verbiage from their website but you can find that language on most on-line retail pages for the comp.

Sucks as I have Dragon's on both of my rifles that are going featureless. I'm replacing the Dragon's with Surefire Pro-Comps.
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Looks nice. But i rather go MMG or Hammerhead just because those were the names mentioned to be legal. I think the fin is in the grey area, correct me if Im wrong.
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Looks nice. But i rather go MMG or Hammerhead just because those were the names mentioned to be legal. I think the fin is in the grey area, correct me if Im wrong.

A properly positioned and installed fin should be perfectly in compliance with the wording of the regulation. OTOH, some people worry about lack of permanence and/or other between-the-lines concerns, which IMHO are valid concerns in the current climate.

At the same time, that hasn't stopped me from grip-finning at least one of my rifles (one that doesn't have other alternatives available).
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^ Yes, even i have a few myself, but i ended up swapping to HH. Been looking for mmg but no AR to put it on.
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^ Yes, even i have a few myself, but i ended up swapping to HH. Been looking for mmg but no AR to put it on.
Heh. I built a featureless AR around a U-15. I'm old-school like that.
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Thordsen looks and feels best. No love for the fins here. Hera is coming out with a featureless buttstock grip next year.
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Thordsen looks and feels best. No love for the fins here. Hera is coming out with a featureless buttstock grip next year.
I like the Thordson's too, but also love that Exile Machine Backfin for the Miad... need to stop mentioning it though. I need it not to be sold out so I can order another right-hander, dammit Somehow I ordered a lefty last time by mistake.

Thordo's always reminded me of the old Daewoo DR200's hahah.
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