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MAWP
Ok, so PCS'ing to California soon. I have spent my whole career in the gun loving "good guy" states and have accumulated a decent amount of hardware.
I read the thread on the MAWP but it seems to have been dead for quite awhile. Has anyone had any luck getting a base commander to sign off on one of these? I have no problem standing on the carpet to explain it but don't want to get laughed out of the office. |
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On Pendleton you have to bring firearms to PMO and they won't sign off unless it meets their standards.
But regardless why not just live off base and you can have all the "hardware" you want.
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Because the State of California says it's a felony to import guns it calls 'assault weapons' - unless one can get permission from the state, such as the MAWP.
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hate to break it to you but California does not give a flying **** about service members 2a rights either.
It used to be that if you were PCS'ing to CA and were not a CA resident, that if you would bribe-err, "pay" the CA DOJ 78 dollars or something around that you could register and possess "Assault Weapons" Standard cap mags were still a no go unless you owned them prior to 2000 or whenever the crap happened. So now, fast forward a couple of years. Arbitrarily, without any real reason why, CA DOJ decided to reword the permit, to that it states that in laymens terms, you have to have the base commanding officer sign off on it, as well as the weapons had to be deemed necesary for training use. Lets break this down a little I will be stationed on MCRD in a month or so. The commanding officer, of MCRD is A Brigadier ****ing General. There is no way that he will sign that off, it wouldn't even make it past the company level. because basically if something did ever happen, whoever signed that document of approval would be viewed as at fault, and the military is all about covering our asses from liability. Also the verbage for being necesary for training? WTF when in the hell has a privately owned weapon ever been used for training. In short, Californias feel good leftist government has taken away your right to possess your personal property will being stationed here, oftentimes not even up to us in the first place.... honestly, its a bit of a tangent that I just launched, but the MAWP getting gutted and rebuilt was the straw that broke my back with ever voluntarily living here.
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I am going to be heading to the Naval Post Graduate School in Monterey. Obviously there is going to be no training requirement for my personal AR's, of which I have three. I just have nowhere else to take them. I know I have been working in a strange part of the military but I don't know any of my commanders that would not sign off on this. They are all gun guys though.
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I also read about the fact that military owned magazines are exempt from the "high capacity," ban.
How do they know the difference? Over my time I have accumulated probably three different types of 30rd 5.56 mags from over nine or ten manufacturers. All issued by the military. |
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Hey guys, I'm PCS'ing to Commiefornia from Virginia. Just looked at this link and my heart sunk. I have numerous pistols and rifles that will now have to be "modified, sold, kept out of state, or destroyed (magazines)", according to the laws they want to pass.
Any word if any of the BULL**** passed? http://smartgunlaws.org/tracking-sta...s-legislation/ |
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Don't Destroy/Sell ANYTHING! Your stay in CA won't be for ever. Dis-assemble and store with a reliable individual OUT of CA. Right now, nothing new has been signed into law. Bullet Button for semi-autos with features and order 10 round magazines for the rest. IF you have a NAMED assault rifle, there is no help with a BB for those to enter CA. Read the flow chart and the Wiki.
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Jamie Franks has his...so....
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You can sell your handguns here no problem via private party transfer (I'm assuming you're talking about off list, non-CA compliant firearms). However, you need to be careful in the quantity of sales so you aren't labeled as an "importer," the limit is four times a year. Off roster sales can't be shipped in this state either.
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Before arrival I would install a bullet button on any AR-15's. Label all 30 round mags in a sealed boxed labeled "issued military gear" Exclude all pistols with threaded barrels, find an out of state babysitter you trust, or sell. I am not sure about if you can just keep your pistols dissembled during orders(only those with threaded barrels) Any AK's with a pistol grip must contain bullet button device.
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Article 5 is the key to the whole transfer issue in that as defined in Section 28050 private party transfers are exempt from the roster. If you look on the marketplace there are tons of examples of off roster pistol sales via PPT, from US Glocks to one of mine as an example where I purchased a 686-3 recently (only the 686-6 with the ILS is on the roster). Make note as to todd2968's comment about registering to vote here, AB169 which was introduced this year would ban all off roster sales. Also do remember 27560 (registering of hanguns) doesn't apply unless you separate from service in California.
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I will continue to vote in Colorado though, I feel like that state still has a chance. |
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There is no 'constructive possession' explicitly in CA law regarding an 'assault weapon', but a recent court case has muddied that water and a prosecution on that basis has a non-zero chance of success. If all you have are semi-automatic center-fire uppers for your lowers, probably better to have the bullet-buttons. $20 for a bullet-button looks like a good investment to avoid "imprisonment in the state prison for four, six, or eight years." (Penal Code 30600)
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If you have a AR lower it needs to have a bullet button period. Kind of like if you have a pistol (sub 16") upper you have to have a mated pistol lower receiver with it at all times otherwise you can be charged with having an SBR. Even if you DROS a stripped lower it will still have a BB on it. Most of them (BBs) are easy to install just like a normal mag release.
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possession of an assault weapon, shall do one of the following: (a) Prior to bringing the assault weapon into this state, that person shall first obtain a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6. (b) The person shall cause the assault weapon to be delivered to a licensed gun dealer in this state in accordance with Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto. If the person obtains a permit from the Department of Justice in the same manner as specified in Article 3 (commencing with Section 32650) of Chapter 6, the dealer shall redeliver that assault weapon to the person. If the licensed gun dealer is prohibited from delivering the assault weapon to a person pursuant to this section, the dealer shall possess or dispose of the assault weapon as allowed by this chapter. Hi Cap Mags: 32310. Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, commencing January 1, 2000, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170. PC 1170(h) gives the state the authority to send you to county jail for the duration of your prison term. FELONY!
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Take out the springs in your mags, put on a bullet button to any ar's you own and voila, your legal, your blowing it out of proportion man. The only hassle your going to encounter is buying new 10rd mags. And as long as none of your firearms are considered AW there's no reason to register ANYTHING
I wouldn't register crap, they don't know you have it, don't let them know you do, esp if you're that worries about someone trying to take it away, which if you don't tell them you have it, they have no reason to come knocking |
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I came back to this, still pissed off. These things that you consider no big deal:
bullet button AR's and 10-rd magazines are an INFRINGEMENT, by definition, of 2nd Amendment rights. That really pisses me off. The fact that many people consider it normal pisses me off even more. |
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And my stupid *** chose to retire here. What was I thinking...
OP, this state while offering so much, just blows choad when it comes to privately owned firearms. You can thank the residents of San Fran, LA, and San Diego for all their fine politician choices.
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I would not worry about any issued AR mag that you've accumulated, like I said earlier seal them in a box marked "issued military gear" and if the look you are covered they are military gear period. The others will have to be broken down or swapped for 10 round mags that's just the reality of it. Good luck
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