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View Poll Results: Laser on Carry Weapon?
Yes, I carry with a laser 12 20.00%
I have considered carrying with a laser 22 36.67%
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Old 10-28-2019, 10:11 AM
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Wondering who carries or has considered carrying with an attached laser.

Please give your experience and/or opinion, and why you think this way.
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I carry with a laser in the off chance I have to shoot from an awkward position like under a car laying on my side. Better to have and not need in this instance
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Back in the day when lasers were new, I discovered that it slowed me down considerably to find the dot again after recoil and the only way to avoid this is increase my FOV by holding the gun beneath my line of sight instead of lining it up.

So from that day I decided, no lasers for me.
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If I had to hang something off the gun, I would choose a light first. The light helps you identify the threat, has standoff capability to dazzle the threat, and a good light can "co-witness" with the sights at close range. (enough to hit a paper plate.)

Or go with one of the light/laser combo's. I always think if it was a low light situation the laser gives me no information about the threat or my surroundings.
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- life has taught me that when you need something battery powered to work, it wont.

- look at the front sight, not the target and you will always have a 'laser'



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Sounds like another way to slice you junk off as you carefully draw from appendix but snag the laser switch?
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had one ......took it off. spent too much time looking for dot location instead of focusing on target.........
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My carry G26 has a Crimson Trace LaserGrip on it....nothing “hangs off”, as it is activated by the grip of your palm, like a grip safety on a 1911. A bonus, to me, is that with a grip laser you don’t need a holster accommodation, like for a front mount laser unit.

Tried if out about 2 months ago....it activates easily and puts you on target FAST, as the red dot can be pointed without lining up your eye, if need be. With backup iron sights, I see no downside as the battery lasts very long when it’s only activated for short bursts....also easy to replace the battery. Some people seem to think they will be in an hour-long shootout or sumpin’.....

I like the grip laser and will leave it on, although I am also trying out a Holosun 507c red dot sight on a G19.5 MOS for eval. The red dot sight works awesome at the range, just need to see how fast I can acquire it with practice.


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I wonder if anyone makes a flashing/strobe laser for better acquisition...?


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- life has taught me that when you need something battery powered to work, it wont.

- look at the front sight, not the target and you will always have a 'laser'



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Under duress, it is natural to become target focused. This is why a MRDS works so well on pistols.

To the topic, having a light is much more beneficial than a laser. Lasers become crutches for proper technique. They're not designed to be aiming devices at this level. They're quick target devices.
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They're useful for when you're shooting with NODs.
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They're useful for when you're shooting with NODs.
NOD?
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They're useful for when you're shooting with NODs.

Yes, no doubt, but IR laser and illuminator are different animals than what is being discussed.
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I'm a fan of lasers and have a couple. They MAY be beneficial in certain situations. They are, however, only another tool in the toolbox. One still needs to have and remain proficient with iron sights.
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Should you ever have occasion to draw your weapon it would seem unlikely that a laser would provide value towards your defense for several reasons, including proximity to your assailant and severely diminished cognitive abilities. Zero value for a laser here. If you're far enough away from your bad guy to need a laser you probably have other avenues of evasion.
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Should you ever have occasion to draw your weapon it would seem unlikely that a laser would provide value towards your defense for several reasons, including proximity to your assailant and severely diminished cognitive abilities. Zero value for a laser here. If you're far enough away from your bad guy to need a laser you probably have other avenues of evasion.


That makes no sense. You can shoot from the draw, at hip level, much easier if you had a laser on your subject at that instant....even if it's under 5 yards.

What about a darkened restaurant/bar, where you see the assailant start shooting? Time to line up your sights in the dim lights? Laser goes right to the spot.

Under a table at that same restaurant? Easier to point a laser than try to maneuver you body/hands in limited space for sight alignment.


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Or go with one of the light/laser combo's. I always think if it was a low light situation the laser gives me no information about the threat or my surroundings.
While I don't currently carry with a light or a laser, I have considered a light/laser combo for target identification and shooting in a less than idea position. I've kind of put the idea on the back burner because don't want to have to find a new IWB holster that will work. Haha
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While I don't currently carry with a light or a laser, I have considered a light/laser combo for target identification and shooting in a less than idea position. I've kind of put the idea on the back burner because don't want to have to find a new IWB holster that will work. Haha

That's why I opted for a grip laser (Crimson Trace)....activated by your palm grip and the laser housing is above your index finger knuckle, i.e., no front apparatus to involve your holster


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That's why I opted for a grip laser (Crimson Trace)....activated by your palm grip and the laser housing is above your index finger knuckle, i.e., no front apparatus to involve your holster .
Can you turn off the laser so it doesn't come on when you grip the pistol?

It would seem to be a good idea to be able to turn it off if you want.
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I like a laser for dry firing. The movement tells all, sees all and when/if I jerk the trigger or do anything else stupid with my trigger finger it screams "stop doing that!".

I really only see their utility for SWAT guys, prison tower guards or military.
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Can you turn off the laser so it doesn't come on when you grip the pistol?

It would seem to be a good idea to be able to turn it off if you want.

Yes, I believe the newer models have a small switch to turn off the laser when you don’t want it.

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They are useful. Certain lighting conditions favor a laser over sights or even iron sights over a light.

Lasers also allow you to aim without using the sights from odd positions.
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Your strong hand index finger requires no batteries and is accurate enough for many self defense situations if you don't have time to go to the sights.
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I carry this but that's how it came from the factory..

I don't really practice with the laser, but I do verify adjustment in the event I do use it..



I own a couple of other light /laser combos but not on carry guns..

my large frame .45 hk expert with a blast is a great combo in our home but not practical to carry..



pointed at low ready, more than ample light to see everything..

the laser either wasn't on or occluded by the sights..



concealed carry lasers need to be compact and sleek and that can conflict with ease of use so

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When in a self defense situation I will ask the bad guy to hold off for just a few seconds while I fix my laser on his forehead, then take command of the situation. Especially if it's dark or I'm under a table. With a laser, I don't even need to load my weapon. Just point the laser and adios bad guy. It's so effective that I'm probably just going to carry a laser and leave the semi-auto pistol in my trusty old safe.
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For some reason lasers appear to be laughed at by the gun intelligencia and I've stayed away from them thinking they know something I don't. As well, you don't see them on the pros that I see.

My recent curiosity about them had had me playing around with my daughters some and I m finding them quick and easy to use and the ability to use them from less than ideal stances/grips/arm positions is quite intriguing. Considering self defense use to be generally less than ideal positions maybe a laser isn't so sissy. I'm really debating about a Streamlight TLR 8G for that reason. It would have to be one more practiced skill, turning it on in a violent emergency in the necessary lighting conditions.

I don't find it necessary to "chase the dot"
If you know how to get a gun on point the laser goes where your eyes tell your hands to go just like iron.

I'm no expert and still a scepter about my recent thoughts and curiosities on lasers but I'm leaning towards them for certain conditions.
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I have 2 S&W shields. 1 has a laser (crimson trace red with light) and one does not. I carry the non laser as EDC in a kydex holster 3:30 to 4 oclock IWB. I have the same holster for the laser equipped.

They draw nearly the same and I can say while practicing drawing, having the laser and light on makes it much easier to acquire the target in my darkened garage vs the iron sights.

I have yet to carry the laser equipped yet but plan on that being my EDC once I get used to carrying daily (its a larger foot print so to speak)
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I have 2 S&W shields. 1 has a laser (crimson trace red with light) and one does not.
How fat is the light+laser combo? I presume it is this one?

https://www.crimsontrace.com/01-5600

I can't tell the width from any of CT's photos.
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This laser if highly effective on this gun.

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How fat is the light+laser combo? I presume it is this one?

https://www.crimsontrace.com/01-5600

I can't tell the width from any of CT's photos.


For me, I use the Crimson Trace LG-626 on my G26....it’s a laser grip, no front apparatus so no holster issues.

https://www.crimsontrace.com/01-1340


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I voted "I have considered..." but my ultimate decision and personal preference is simply a Glock with good night sights. I just don't think the lights/lasers thing is for me. I think I would feel differently as a cop or a DEA agent or something, going into it prepared etc... but the self defense CCW role in my opinion is most likely a split second thing and the less things to screw with the better.
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I voted "I have considered..." but my ultimate decision and personal preference is simply a Glock with good night sights. I just don't think the lights/lasers thing is for me. I think I would feel differently as a cop or a DEA agent or something, going into it prepared etc... but the self defense CCW role in my opinion is most likely a split second thing and the less things to screw with the better.

The LaserGrip comes on when you grip/withdraw from holster....you can use it, or not.

Also, if you don’t want the laser shining at that instant, you block it with your extended trigger finger.

Anyway, it’s not anything that takes your concentration away. It’s a great “night sight” and you don’t have to line up anything


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How fat is the light+laser combo? I presume it is this one?

https://www.crimsontrace.com/01-5600

I can't tell the width from any of CT's photos.
Yes that's the one. It is the same width as the slide.

Dark room pic is from the hallway red laser on pink flowers, that's harder to see than on a white wall...
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Had the crimson trace laser grip on my G19.
Trained for months, draw, presentation and fire.

The dot dancing in my target helped my trigger pull to be smoother and consistent.

But after a few months, I noticed my thick fingers would block the laser and I would hesitate to rearrange my finger slightly.

Since I am a firm believer that, "He who hesitates is lost", the laser found it's way to the original box.
Which reminds me, need to that laser.

All in all, a laser can be great or bad, but be honest with yourself. Is it a hood tool or bad tool for you?
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Seems the laser would certainly offer aim advantage in a dark ally or dark nite in the woods.
The under the table or awkward aim situation also would give value to a laser. Crimson trace or the new small profile rechargeable units look inviting.
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- life has taught me that when you need something battery powered to work, it wont.
Basically, this ^

I’ve tried them, just didn’t seem like I could get the hang of it.
I’d say more appropriate on a home defense setup; carbine maybe?
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NOD?
NOD is a military acronym for Night Optical/Observation Device aka night vision.

Lasers can be useful especially for HD with older/people who can't see metallic sights any longer, low light, in unconvenal shooting positions, wearing gas mask or even a de-escalation device especially pointed at the guys junk. I've used a G26, Kahr MK9 and a G42 with a Streamlight TLR6 with good success. IMHO a RMR'd blaster with a XC-1 and/or handheld with a Thyrum ring is a better option, but it requires constant training to remain proficient with picking up the dot.
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Kings fan,

I have 2 Shields in 9mm also.
I keep one for edc, the other is for practice and if one needs gun smith attention I still have the same gun to edc with.
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No way people see a red laser dot in daylight with sun out with any meaningful speed vs using iron sights.

Night time...maybe if you have time or letting loose more then one round and not rapidly.

I have a crimson un grip on jframe.

Meh...i carry a g19 98% of the time anyways and no way if i was going to hang something on that unless it was a light aswell as a lazzzzzer beam.

I just requalified last week. Outdoor range/day light. You cant see the laser unless you really take your time to look. Maybe from 5 yds.
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I agree the laser is good for quicker for indoor target acquisition. I can double tap (when they let me at my indoor range) much more accurate on the 1st shot with the laser than with the iron sights.
They don't allow from a holster but from the booth table, gun on safe pointed down range, pick up, make ready, aquire target, tap,tap, make safe and place down on top of booth table.

My first shot is always center mass 10 point. 2nd shot is typically lower and left with the laser equipped. I'm slower with iron sights but typically more in the 10 for both shots
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