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Old 11-18-2019, 11:14 PM
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What is your favorite brand of generator and fuel type?
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I've got two Yamahas and seeing as they are built in Mexico if I had to do it again I'd buy Honda.

Also have a old Onan on a rolling stainless steel fuel cart. It's been nothing but reliably over the decades but was built to last forever.
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Are you talking small portable, one on wheels or fixed for whole house? Anyway Honda for the first two no idea on the last.
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Atima is a reasonably good deal, Yamaha motor with Atima everything else (I have AY3000i ?). produces good enough power for my RV surge protector to not disconnect once it samples for a minute (low voltage, high voltage). I wouldn’t plug electronics directly into any generator, but these work at significant savings to Yamaha itself. Only had it a year, can’t comment on lifespan.


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Old 11-19-2019, 9:47 AM
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Anyone buy a Firman generator from Costco?
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:32 AM
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I've got two Yamahas and seeing as they are built in Mexico if I had to do it again I'd buy Honda.
Both my eu2000i’s were made in Thailand. I think some of the new ones are made in China too


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Old 11-19-2019, 12:20 PM
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Honda for me. If I need a generator, I need it to be super reliable. And I'd like not to hear it if I can.

And for those concerned about SHTF, a quiet generator is a plus. The fewer people who know you have one the better.
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Last power outage my EU2000 quietly powered the fridge, lights, tv, phones, etc.... for 12 hrs on a gallon of gas. Couldn’t be happier with the purchase!
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Anyone know about Generac generators?
I have a 20kw Honeywell (made by generac) that I got through Costco. It’s been great. Generacs customer service is well known to suck, but Honeywell warranties their branded units themselves and their customer service has been good so far. Hopefully they remain that way since the generator has a 10 year warranty.
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Honda EU3000I with a propane conversion from
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Old 11-20-2019, 1:58 PM
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My parents have a small propane tank (according to my brother who was in CA. Dept. Forestry, 30+ years said it was the smallest outdoor propane tank he's seen.) Point being, the generator was consuming a fair amount of the propane per day. Just have a decent sized tank if you choose propane.
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They're $499, black Friday trash and all. I was looking to get one.

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Last power outage my EU2000 quietly powered the fridge, lights, tv, phones, etc.... for 12 hrs on a gallon of gas. Couldn’t be happier with the purchase!
It has two plugs. Do you use a power strip for one plug?
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Who makes the best propane conversion for the 2000?
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Converted two in the past month. Never run of gas, no carb or seal problems. Plus you CAN run it on gas if you want
EXACTLY!!!! I had mine converted as well. Just plug into the natural gas line for the BBQ or use propane. Best investment.
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Old 11-20-2019, 3:28 PM
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I just checked the serial number on my EU2000i and found it's an older model that Hutch Mountain says the older generators "don't play well" with propane.

I've emailed Hutch Mountain for more specifics, but perhaps someone here can tell me why the older Honda generator doesn't work well with propane. And is there anything I can do to make it "play well"?

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We live in the mountains in NE CA and had a Generac 22kw on demand generator installed. It runs off our house propane tank. When we bought it last year it came with a 10 year warranty. It has worked flawlessly. I got tired of setting up the portable 5 kw generator, usually in bad weather, and having to store gasoline.

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I have had one for 10 yrs, so far so good.
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We live in the mountains in NE CA and had a Generac 22kw on demand generator installed. It runs off our house propane tank. When we bought it last year it came with a 10 year warranty. It has worked flawlessly. I got tired of setting up the portable 5 kw generator, usually in bad weather, and having to store gasoline.
I'm just curious, but what do you run that requires 22 kws? I concede I know little about household consumption, but coming from the military side even a 10kw generator is a considerable amount of power and a 20kw is massive. We're obviously not running a big refrigerator or AC unit, but still.
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Old 11-20-2019, 10:10 PM
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Sometimes you just need a lot of power. Talked with an old friend a couple weeks back and he and his wife were staying at his sister's place in Aptos just south of Santa Cruz. They'd had to evacuate from Santa Rosa due to the fires up there. Aptos didn't have any power but his sister's place was set with a huge V8 powered generator in one of the garages. Apparently a 15,000 sq ft home requires a lot of juice.
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I'm just curious, but what do you run that requires 22 kws? I concede I know little about household consumption, but coming from the military side even a 10kw generator is a considerable amount of power and a 20kw is massive. We're obviously not running a big refrigerator or AC unit, but still.
One way to look at it - https://energytoday.biz/blog/how-big...my-whole-house
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To calculate what size generator you need to power your whole home, follow these 3 steps:

Step 1: List out every appliance you want to power.

Step 2: Determine the starting and running wattage of everything on your list. If you can’t find these numbers on the appliance label, you can use this wattage estimation guide as a reference.

Note: Starting wattage (also known as “surge wattage”) refers to the wattage an appliance needs at start-up. Starting wattage is normally 2–3 times higher than its “running” wattage, or how many watts an appliance needs to run constantly.

Step 3: Add the wattage together. Then, use this number to guide what size generator you need.
A little more detailed calculation, https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect...Generator.html and similarly from Cummins, https://homegenerators.cummins.com/g...ize-calculator

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Interesting, thank you. It certainly makes sense about the start up spike. I guess for the price it would be something nice to have and if I was paying for installation etc I’d just assume get the 22k for a bit more. Nonetheless, do people not plan on rationing power during big events? I get the refrigerator, and after a few days some hot water and laundry would be nice to have, but I don’t know that I get running the household as if the grid was fully operational.
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I've been intending to covert my EU2000i to tri-fuel. Just ordered the Hutch Mountain kit. Letting the gen run out its fuel tank now. Thanks Calguns for my emptier wallet.
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Interesting, thank you. It certainly makes sense about the start up spike. I guess for the price it would be something nice to have and if I was paying for installation etc I’d just assume get the 22k for a bit more. Nonetheless, do people not plan on rationing power during big events? I get the refrigerator, and after a few days some hot water and laundry would be nice to have, but I don’t know that I get running the household as if the grid was fully operational.
I have a Cummins 20KW.

A bit of it is 'what if all this stuff is running and power fails while I'm not home?' I plan to shut off a lot of things while on generator - natural gas isn't going to be free - but I don't want to lose things in refrigerator and freezer because the AC was on and the gen couldn't handle everything.

(I am, of course, betting that gas service will still be there when usually-more-fragile electrical service is interrupted; gas stove, gas heat, gas water heater, gas generator. There's the risk that I have bet wrong.)

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I just checked the serial number on my EU2000i and found it's an older model that Hutch Mountain says the older generators "don't play well" with propane.

I've emailed Hutch Mountain for more specifics, but perhaps someone here can tell me why the older Honda generator doesn't work well with propane. And is there anything I can do to make it "play well"?

Thanks!
I got my response from Hutch Mountain this morning. A very responsive company, it would seem. I'll just post it below for all to read. If you go to their website and to the page for the kit for the EU2000i, at the bottom there's info on the serial numbers so you can determine if your generator will work with the propane kit.

Here's the response:

Hey, thanks for reaching out. The older gens, have a different inverter board and carburetor in them. It’s the inverter board that controls the electronic servo. When you introduce propane in to it, it does not know how to handle it. Therefore it surges up and down, and runs like crap. You can fix it. However you would need to replace the inverter board and carburetor with the newer 2000 version. The only problem with that is it will cost you like $500.00 to do so. It's not worth it. I would sell your gen and upgrade to the new 2200. I hope that helps. Reach out if you have any more questions thanks. 😊

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One our union guys got a Harbor Freight one( about the size of the smaller Honda unit) and it’s more quiet and not as noxious as a friends Champion (from Lowe’s). No idea on longevity, but it was cheap-$400.00...
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One our union guys got a Harbor Freight one( about the size of the smaller Honda unit) and it’s more quiet and not as noxious as a friends Champion (from Lowe’s). No idea on longevity, but it was cheap-$400.00...
Interesting, since 95% of the portable (non-Honda) generators out there today use the same Chinese engines, genheads and mufflers.

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Anyone know how many hours the small Honda’s can run off of a 5gal BBQ propane tank? Or propane gallons per hour?
a 2200 about 12-18 hours

funny thing is if you get a propane fridge a 5 gallon bbq tank lasts about a week if you are not an excessive browser
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Everybody that's loving the idea of propane, take note of that. Thats two bottles a day. Unless your home runs off propane and thus you have a 250-500 gallon tank (or bigger) it not real easy to store a week or two worth of propane. You willing to house 30 BBQ propane bottles at what, $50 each? vs a 55 gallon drum of gasoline at ~$225.

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funny thing is if you get a propane fridge a 5 gallon bbq tank lasts about a week if you are not an excessive browser
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Everybody that's loving the idea of propane, take note of that. Thats two bottles a day. Unless your home runs off propane and thus you have a 250-500 gallon tank (or bigger) it not real easy to store a week or two worth of propane. You willing to house 30 BBQ propane bottles at what, $50 each? vs a 55 gallon drum of gasoline at ~$225.
There's no reason to run a portable gen 24 hours a day. If you like your neighbors it won't be on more than 14 hours a day.

I've read many times "18 hours per 20 pound tank." During the last outage my little Honda 2000 got closer to 26 hours per tank running in eco-mode the whole time. I ran a side by side fridge, full size upright deep freeze, 1 plug-in florescent light, Dish receiver, 70" TV, surround sound and misc. small draw items. Oh, and the K-Cup every morning.

I have 6 20 pound tanks and one 40 pound. I'm good for about 12 days of constant use and I have a tank left for the grill. If someone only wanted to store 1 or 2 tanks they could run the gen a little judiciously for a few hours at a time and make it last quite a while. I don't have to worry about gasoline rotation or gas related maintenance on the generator.
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There's no reason to run a portable gen 24 hours a day. If you like your neighbors it won't be on more than 14 hours a day.

I've read many times "18 hours per 20 pound tank." During the last outage my little Honda 2000 got closer to 26 hours per tank running in eco-mode the whole time. I ran a side by side fridge, full size upright deep freeze, 1 plug-in florescent light, Dish receiver, 70" TV, surround sound and misc. small draw items. Oh, and the K-Cup every morning.

I have 6 20 pound tanks and one 40 pound. I'm good for about 12 days of constant use and I have a tank left for the grill. If someone only wanted to store 1 or 2 tanks they could run the gen a little judiciously for a few hours at a time and make it last quite a while. I don't have to worry about gasoline rotation or gas related maintenance on the generator.


you know i thought there was something screwey last time it ran out all them propane exchange places they only put 15 pounds of propane

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