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Old 11-18-2019, 5:43 PM
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Old 11-18-2019, 5:45 PM
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This guy!
His he slow? Or just looks like a pedophile.
I tried watching some of his vids. Below average IQ to say the least.
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Old 11-18-2019, 6:14 PM
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- I'm on the side of law and order.

- constitutionality is subjective and does not superceded law

- we follow laws not rights

- rights were meant as foundational guidelines for laws, not laws themselves

- it's called law enforcement, not constitution enforcement
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Old 11-19-2019, 5:16 AM
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Old 11-19-2019, 5:17 AM
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- I'm on the side of law and order.

- constitutionality is subjective and does not superceded law

- we follow laws not rights

- rights were meant as foundational guidelines for laws, not laws themselves

- it's called law enforcement, not constitution enforcement
Huh? Didn't you take an oath to uphold the Constitution?
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Old 11-19-2019, 5:43 AM
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- I'm on the side of law and order.

- constitutionality is subjective and does not superceded law

- we follow laws not rights

- rights were meant as foundational guidelines for laws, not laws themselves

- it's called law enforcement, not constitution enforcement
Ummm, the last I heard, the law is intended to protect the rights of the People. The law has no force if it violates the limits placed on the Government by the Constitution.. Rights supersede law, always, and that is why laws are struck down rather than rights. Of course, if you are on the left, laws matter only when they work toward gathering more power and are ignored when they don’t.

But, what do I know, anyway.

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Old 11-19-2019, 8:14 AM
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- think of the so called "sovereign citizens" that proclaim their "rights"...

- it doesn't work because law says otherwise

- I respect the constitution. I believe it is misunderstood by the masses

- yes. If a law is ruled unconstitutional it is no longer a law.

- but for all practical purposes, in reality laws become enforceable way faster than their constitutionality is challenged.

- in other words the constitutional validity of new laws is not established from the genesis.. but rather subsequently once they are challenged by the masses
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Old 11-19-2019, 10:08 AM
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I’m a Constitutionalist and my partners and Sergeant know that. GVROs have a very small place for a very tiny minority. Otherwise, they can go burn in hell.
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Old 11-19-2019, 10:59 AM
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- I'm on the side of law and order.

- constitutionality is subjective and does not superceded law

- we follow laws not rights

- rights were meant as foundational guidelines for laws, not laws themselves

- it's called law enforcement, not constitution enforcement
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- think of the so called "sovereign citizens" that proclaim their "rights"...

- it doesn't work because law says otherwise

- I respect the constitution. I believe it is misunderstood by the masses

- yes. If a law is ruled unconstitutional it is no longer a law.

- but for all practical purposes, in reality laws become enforceable way faster than their constitutionality is challenged.

- in other words the constitutional validity of new laws is not established from the genesis.. but rather subsequently once they are challenged by the masses
As a non-LEO, I apologize if I am intruding in a forum section where I am not allowed to be. I want to just respectfully submit the following for your consideration.

Supremacy Clause

The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution of the United States, establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the "supreme Law of the Land", and thus take priority over any conflicting state laws.
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Rights in the U.S. are also higher-order laws. Supreme laws. Let's just remember that the reason the original Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and all subsequent amendments were put into the Constitution of the United States is precisely because they were believed to be far more important than just regular laws. They are viewed as fundamental human rights guaranteed to every single human being, and are supposedly guaranteed enforceable protection within the United States. Even the Constitution has a system that allows for its change and updating as needed. But it is difficult to do so, and rightly so.

Lots of people modern-day don't like the Constitution and go about making changes via laws to challenge it, because that is "easier." That doesn't make the Constitution less important. In fact, I believe it makes it more important. Because the Constitution, and the human rights encoded within, is protected from (and excuse my lack of eloqent words chosen) knee-jerk reaction laws passed in the heat of a moment. Fundamental human rights should not be so easily subject to change.
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Sovereign citizens are a whole different animal. My understanding of the Sovereign citizen movement (I really don't care for such idiocy and don't follow it closely though) is that their movement isn't so much founded on "rights" as a misguided belief over "jurisdiction," or lack thereof. They believe that the U.S. law, which is enforceable in full force over U.S. citizens, holds no jurisdiction over them because they don't identify as such.
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Old 11-19-2019, 1:30 PM
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- I'm on the side of law and order.

- constitutionality is subjective and does not superceded law

- we follow laws not rights

- rights were meant as foundational guidelines for laws, not laws themselves

- it's called law enforcement, not constitution enforcement

Jesus H Christ!

And you are a LEO!

My God man, REAd..............READ......... our constitution.

People like you scare the hell out of me. Frankly, if you are the face of 'new" law enforcement then I am ashamed to state that I am a retired LEO/CLEO with well over three decades in the field.

My GOD!

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Old 11-19-2019, 1:42 PM
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- think of the so called "sovereign citizens" that proclaim their "rights"...

- it doesn't work because law says otherwise

- I respect the constitution. I believe it is misunderstood by the masses

- yes. If a law is ruled unconstitutional it is no longer a law.

- but for all practical purposes, in reality laws become enforceable way faster than their constitutionality is challenged.

- in other words the constitutional validity of new laws is not established from the genesis.. but rather subsequently once they are challenged by the masses
so called "sovereign citizens" don't work because they claim the laws they followed to buy their house/car and/or get their drivers license do not apply to them because of whatever. FWIW they also claim the Constitution doesn't apply to them. They can't have it both ways.
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Old 11-22-2019, 10:26 PM
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Old 11-25-2019, 9:28 PM
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That's a damn shame Starlight. I took an oath to the constitution and that's where I stand.
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Old 11-25-2019, 11:01 PM
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I wouldn’t worry too much about starlight. I’m pretty certain he’s not a LEO by any stretch of the imagination. Just another troll that will probably get banned in the near future.
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Old 11-26-2019, 4:48 PM
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- I've stated nothing against the constitution

- I've stated reality

- if a person in California loads up a magazine over 10 rounds then claims that it is their constitutional right... what will happen?

- if you think the constitution wins, try it, and you'll see that California law wins

- if a person thinks the constitution gives them the right to carry a gun openly or concealed in California... and they try it... what will happen?

- if anyone can cite a case of where the US constitution renders California law invalid, please post it.

- what I originally wrote was simple: laws are written and enforced long BEFORE their constitutionality is either established or challenged.. if ever established or challenged at all..

- the practical result of this reality is so-called "unconstitutional laws"... people outside of California love to highlight the "Commiefornia" laws here...

- Background checks for ammo in California are viewed as unconstitutional.. but guess what, the reality is that it is the law. So the scoreboard says California law 1, US Constitution 0

- I teach my kids to obey laws. Period. And California law is crystal clear.
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Old 11-26-2019, 9:13 PM
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I teach my kids to think.

Obedience is for dogs.

We can discuss the “reality” of this all day. CA has violated honesty, rights, and the constitution numerous times, and there is proof of CA laws being declared unconstitutional all the time... somewhat obviously by mag week earlier this year.

Not sure what your honest position is, but let us clarify...

Do you feel that a law passed in CA is “right” simply because it is law?

We’ll start there.
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Old 11-27-2019, 4:19 AM
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