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Old 06-29-2019, 8:23 PM
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Default Will a red dot sight make it harder to avoid printing?

I'm thinking of getting the slide of one of my handguns milled for a red dot sight. Does anyone have experience conceal carrying a gun with a red dot? If so, did the red dot sight make it more difficult to carry or conceal the gun or did it cause the gun to "print" more under your shirt? Thanks for any information on this.
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Old 06-29-2019, 9:27 PM
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I would say if may be more difficult finding a holster that will work for you.
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Old 06-29-2019, 9:38 PM
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Do you already have your carry gun and holster? If so, tape a mock-up red dot made of cardboard to the slide. No joke. I doubt it will have any effect on printing. Printing is mainly caused by the grip. Finding a holster that fits properly with your red dot... that is going to be a pain.
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Old 06-29-2019, 9:58 PM
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I have the gun and the red dot, which is a Leopold Deltapoint Pro. There is a custom kydex holster maker not far from where I live.
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Old 06-30-2019, 9:26 AM
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Seems like a costly experiment to undertake. I don't think I'd put a red dot on a CC gun. I kind of like to keep things simple. They have their place, I'm just not convinced it's on a concealed carry gun.
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Printing is not illegal. Brandishing is frowned upon.

OP sounds like a new LTC guy. New guys get all nervous about printing.

Most of American public care more about staring into a tiny cell screen than the details of how someone dresses/looks. Oblivious.

I agree with P5 about a red dot on a carry gun. At least here in the golden shower state.
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Often times it's the butt of the grip that prints but much can depend on how you carry, where you carry, body type, your gun, holster, etc. Lots of variables here.

I carry a 4" M&P CORE in JMC appendix rig. Printing of the red dot is NOT a problem in that location with my setup. YMMV
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Thanks, guys. I'll probably give it a go. I can have the red dot mounted on my CZ SP-01 slide for range use, and this same slide fits on my CZ Compact, which is my carry gun. So I'll have the option of using the CZ Compact with its regular slide or with the longer SP-01 slide with the red dot. You are correct in that I'm new to conceal carry. I do have a good belt now and a kydex IWB holster. I think I've just about figured out how to carry the gun concealed and with reasonable comfort. I'm carrying at 3 o'clock. I'm waiting on some new holster clips so that I can cant the gun forward a little. And I bought a couple of new shirts that stretch and don't hang up on the gun as much when I draw it. it's been a process but reading various articles and asking questions on this forum have helped shorten the process and saved me some money too, I think. Thanks for the advice!
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Old 07-01-2019, 10:35 AM
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I put a laser grip on my 1911. I think it is more practical than the red dot sight, and it stays slim.
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It all depends on what you're wearing and how you are holstering too - which position (appendix, 3, 4 or 5 o'clock), the cant angle and also how deep into the waist you have it.

I carry between 3 and 4 o'clock, well canted forward and deep into the waist. If it's a T-shirt and jeans, it has to be closer to 3 because the butt will print more. If it's an untucked dress shirt or hoodie, I carry at closer to 4.

At 3 o'clock an optic will print a little more and stick out towards the front with a T Shirt. Other than T-shirts, it's no issue at all for me.

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I put a laser grip on my 1911. I think it is more practical than the red dot sight, and it stays slim.
I, too, have a red laser one one of my CCW guns, along with an Alien Gear IWB that is made for the laser. I don't think I could get used to the red dot sight's bulk added to the guns form factor for concealing purposes.
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glock 19 with an RMR at 3;30. Not issue printing.

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Non-issue for me as well, Glock 19 RMR, bravo concealment holster. It’s all about the butt of the gun the rmr doesn’t add to print at all.

Carrying the rmr for about a year now. I prefer a lighter gun so I go back to my g26 a lot but enjoy the having the rmr on a carry gun.
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Where are you guys located that your IA lets you mill the slide on a carry gun? In OC that's a big no-no.
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Where are you guys located that your IA lets you mill the slide on a carry gun? In OC that's a big no-no.


in san bernardino they’re cool with it


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Nice. Stupid OC.
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The answer depends on where on the body you carry, body type, but generally no. There is no impact on Appendix Carry, and a slight impact on 3:30 carry. Holsters are a mix, to some degree it will mater on what optic your carrying and controls.
I regularly carry either a full size S&W M&P .40 or a S&W M&P Shield in 9mm both are equipped with Holosun 507C red dot optics mounted in the dovetail. I carry at 3:30. In this position the optic hood will extend beyond the belt line, however with the shirt tucked in it is not visible. I use my own companies holsters for both guns.
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Where are you guys located that your IA lets you mill the slide on a carry gun? In OC that's a big no-no.
I got an email from OC's CCW Licensing unit saying red dot sights are fine and even saying I didn't need to re-qualify the weapon. Disclaimer I haven't actually put the red dot on my CCW yet.
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I got an email from OC's CCW Licensing unit saying red dot sights are fine and even saying I didn't need to re-qualify the weapon. Disclaimer I haven't actually put the red dot on my CCW yet.

It’s not the red dot that is the problem in OC....it’s that you can’t alter the slide (by milling). You either have to use a dovetail adapter for the red dot optic or get a factory OEM milled slide (e.g. Glock MOS, M&P CORE).


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Old 09-07-2019, 5:43 AM
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Glock 19
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Everything prints, thanks to my tactical muffin top.

But the grip of th he pistol with magwell is what prints the most.

Went to T Rex Arms sidecar.


NO PRINTING!

and they will make you one for your pistol with a rmr.
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I put a laser grip on my 1911. I think it is more practical than the red dot sight, and it stays slim.
You got a CCW permit in L.A. County?
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No issues at 3'clock or appendix with either G29 in a G20 size holster or G19 in a G17 IWB holster. Now the 33rd mag does print.
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Be insanely careful about milling an existing slide. A handful of local deputies have slide-shaped paperweights due to bad milling.

One Glock slide had a hole drilled into the extractor channel. Better to get an aftermarket slide if available.

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RMRs, Docters, Vipers, etc have a very small foot print so they don't add to printing at all on appendix or any other carry positions. IMHO unless you're going to dedicate a lot, did I mention a friggin lot of dry as well as some live fire a pistol RDS may not be for you. Trying to find the dot in a high stress situation is not something you want be doing. Yes you can have backup irons, but they are not as clear looking through your RDS window which can also slow you down. When I teach new shooters to find the dot easily is to do multiple ready up drills from position 4-5 and use the front of the muzzle/front sight as an pointing index and present as you're using iron sights. Sounds like common knowledge, but you'll be surprised how many people it helped even with experienced shooters.
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