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Old 05-23-2018, 7:54 PM
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Why does anyone need a 10-round magazine ?
Sounds a lot like those who want to ban magazines greater than 10 rounds.
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Why does anyone need a 10-round magazine ? Dead serious. Only reason I can think of is to have it hang like an nice ballsack, a tacticool badge of honor. Just another reason to justify shopping like a little girl.


Wow... not sure if your joking or have ZERO idea what your talking about..

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If the cheek weld works, if the body feels good, why does the scope need to be slammed to the barrel?
Tightening up the scope height reduces the departure angle which leads to less error from cant, smaller swings in extreme short range dope and it gives more usable scope elevation before you run out of travel.

Of course it can work up high as well, but it's minutely better to have the scope closer to the barrel.
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Same experience here. I ditched my Manners for the Accurate Chassis on my HCR and played with scope height to find out I like them a little higher. It's just much more comfortable in my hands.
Remember these guys? They don't seem to be in vogue these days, but at one time this was the way to be.

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Tightening up the scope height reduces the departure angle which leads to less error from cant, smaller swings in extreme short range dope and it gives more usable scope elevation before you run out of travel.

Of course it can work up high as well, but it's minutely better to have the scope closer to the barrel.
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Thanks for the reply. Good points. But both sides have disadvantages especially at the extreme ends. But I don't think either of us are at those ends.

I get the scope cant, no disagreement. But for clarity, we really have to get it way more waked out than people realize. It takes a lot, like 10į starts messing a few 1/10s of windage at further ranges on an 2.4" SOB and it does nearly the same on a 1.8". Unless we want to be solely academic, they are close enough. But for both, that's one reason for the levels and the rotating butt-plates found on chassis and some retrofit stocks.

I don't know many worried about extreme short-range dope shooting LR positional matches, remembering 1/10 means very little inside 100. @ 50 were looking like 1/10th or about .18" delta between the adjustments of either to reach zero - Never seen a positional match shot inside 100 and after 100, it is all fairly linear between the two and as I posted maybe a click or two in favor of the taller setup.. Again splitting hairs - so we should realistically toss this whole part out.

Some say barrel mirage is better, too. But I'd have no idea and I'd put that back into the bucket of too academic to matter as the other two items above.

I am not arguing with your points as they are in an academic sense, correct. I am only pointing out the realities just incase someone takes what we are saying out of context, because at the end of the day, it is really to small to matter either way.

For me it is necessary for my chassis, or the 58mm bell hits the hand guard with the byproduct being better looking through the center of the (my) glasses providing a bit more parallax freedom and no issue with the frames - AKA a better fit.
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Remember these guys? They don't seem to be in vogue these days, but at one time this was the way to be.


HUGE SOB is still very much in some off hand disciplines here from the 2018 50m

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2jIT9CBqns
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HUGE SOB is still very much in some off hand disciplines here from the 2018 50m

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2jIT9CBqns
I didn't watch the whole thing, but I didn't see any chin guns like in the pic I posted.
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Under $1500 for the rifle only? or including scope?

We have Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5CM for $1280 out the door(tax and dros INCLUDED).

Its shoots smooth, looks good and get the job done!
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If the cheek weld works, if the body feels good, why does the scope need to be slammed to the barrel?

Personally, I find that I can build a better position running taller rings, easier for me to keep my hips square..a better position when looking through glasses.. The attached image form a match this weekend that clearly shows my issues/alignment choice as to not have to tilt my head and look through the very top of my glasses.


I am not saying high is for anyone but me.. but I do not think old "hunters" logic (before adj. riser were mainstream) needs to apply to everyone.

On my 6.5 here are rough numbers on two scope rings I use. One is used on a different gun with a standard hunter stock. The 1.8" numbers are theoretical coming out of the 6.5 pictured with the 2.4 SOB..

1200
2.4" SOB = 10.6
1.8" SOB = 10.8
900
2.4" SOB = 6.4
1.8" SOB = 6.5
600
2.4" SOB = 3.2
1.8" SOB = 3.4
300
2.4" SOB = 9
1.8" SOB = 1
100 zero
same
rounded to the nearest 1/10 mil

PS- Sure it looks close on my AX chassis over that hand guard you think is stupid, but allows me to run Hard Gear Rails etc and slide my bipod back as a recoil reducer in front of the GC or side it to shoot off a small foot print. But mainly I like the folder for air transport and the fact that it locks up better than the ones I've tried on Mannors in the past.
I see what the problem is in your picture...



















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Why does anyone need a 10-round magazine ?


I like my Ruger American and Savage Axis II because they have flush-fitting magazines.
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http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/comp...-rd/s57465173/

$100 for a 5 rd mag. Not acceptable in my opinion. It does look like they are not $150 anymore so there is that.
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you are shooting with the wrong hand!
I'm sure the pic was taken with an ayefone that does the mirror image thing.
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Why does anyone need a 10-round magazine ? Dead serious. Only reason I can think of is to have it hang like an nice ballsack, a tacticool badge of honor. Just another reason to justify shopping like a little girl.
I love the higher capacity because it just means I don't have to stop to reload mags as often and it gives me more time behind the rifle.

As well, if you want to shoot any kind of PRS style match generally you need 10 if not one or two more spares just in case.
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Why does anyone need a 10-round magazine ?...
You are free not to use a 10 round magazine, nobody is making you do that even in the Nanny state of California.
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With the exception of competition, people want them because they look cool.
Basically, the same reason people want chassis systems with pistol grips and long tubular handguards.
I want a Ruger Precision because it looks black and scary and CA progressive idiots will reflexively hate it because it's black, scary, and 'military looking'. No other reason really. I might not even shoot it. Just bust it out and fold/unfold the stock a little periodically, or maybe take it to the range and just stroke the action repeatedly to bother any OCD calgunners that might be nearby.
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Don't mind Flounder, he must be one of those "stuck in his ways" kind of shooter.

I made the comment based on the price of Tikka Mags referenced a few posts above my response. Tikka, for some reason, decided to charge stupid amounts for mags, even the 3 round one, which is their right as they make proprietary mags for their rifles. Ruger allows many types of mags to be used, which is also their right to, you know, not alienate or disrespect the shooting community. Even their AI Style 10 round mag is $30.

This is America and you can buy OR NOT BUY whatever you legally can. Some want 10 round some are fine with Hunting restricted mags. I'd use a 20 round double stack mag if I could, but whatever.
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I'm sure the pic was taken with an ayefone that does the mirror image thing.


Lol thatís funny. Yes, right hand action left hand in the picture is correct


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This might not be exactly what you are looking for but Id recommend a Sabatti Rover Tactical. It is a based on a Remington 700, has an adjustable stock, detachable box magazine, and a 26 inch heavy barrel. I have one and it will shoot .5 MOA groups at 100 yards. I hit a target at 1530 yards last weekend with it. I use primo 130 gr ammo and the hornady 140gr ELD match has shot really well also.
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Saw this in Washington.. up here for a match and stoped in. They said $1149 was exactly how it sat.

They also mentioned the one they shoot is under 2/10ths.

I have no experience with these but I loved the paint job






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Nice. Are you up there for the SH team challenge?

Yes...

And my dumb arse brought a 6.5 with 3,680 rounds.. expect to shoot nearly 300 more with Fridayís session.. hopefully it doesnít crap itself and go to 2-4 moa mid match.

Edited to add: I was playing to see just how many I could get out of my gun and still be competitive, but then time got the best of me and I could not get a new one spun on in time..




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For those that aren't familiar with the Howa KRG Bravo, it gives a lot of bang for the buck, so to speak. It uses Remington 700 scope mounting. MOA accuracy guarantee.

Under $1k:
http://www.mrgundealer.com/rifles/bo...26-thrd-blk-65

The stock may look similar to the Bergara HMR stock, but it's pretty serious business. It takes the KRG accessories, like the plate for an Arca rail, spigot mount, etc.
Howa 1500 uses the same two piece bases as the Remington 700. The 1500 uses a different one piece base than a 700. Unless the KRG has a different receiver than a 1500 which I seriously doubt, a Remington 700 one piece base will not fit.
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Legendary Arms Works. (LAW) Custom rifle @ $1500
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I sell these for way under $1,500, if that's what you are looking for

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