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Hey Petaluma! We should go to this and voice our opinion.
Received a notice in the mail Petaluma PD is hosting a town meeting on Wed March 5th, 6:30-7:30pm. @ 320 North McDowell Blvd. in the community center.
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Gents,
After speaking withe Wendy at the SoCo SO, she indicated that a sample of a "Physician's Statement of Suitability" is not available, and since I am not pre-approved I am 'WAYYY ahead of schedule'. She did imply that they will request a letter from my physician will be required, and it must stay that I 'Do not have any physical or mental issues which could influence my ability to concealed carry'.

She made it sound like I need to worry less about the doctors note, and more about actually being pre-approved. Obviously, since essentially no one in this county but the politicians, LEO's and political allies are permitted.

So...that settles that issue. Now, if my doctor is unwilling to provide such a letter for fear of legal ramification....that's another topic.

Funny that I have to get approval from: Sheriff, DOJ, AND my Doctor to get a carry permit.
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Hey Petaluma! We should go to this and voice our opinion.
Received a notice in the mail Petaluma PD is hosting a town meeting on Wed March 5th, 6:30-7:30pm. @ 320 North McDowell Blvd. in the community center.
What is the meeting for specifically?
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What is the meeting for specifically?
It says;
"You will have an opportunity to meet the commanders responsible for you neighborhood and connect with the supervisors assigned for your area"
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Thanks for the updates GillaFunk.

Here is a link to the SCS CCW page: http://www.sonomasheriff.org/ccw.php

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Beginning with DOJ LiveScan (fingerprinting) conducted at the Sheriff's Office, you will also be required to provide proof of completion of an initial CCW course taught by one of the Sonoma County Law Enforcement Chiefs' Association (SCLECA) approved CCW training providers, three letters of character reference and your physician's attestation (statement) of suitability. The Sheriff's Office will not ask you to provide any of the above documentation until we have received your DOJ and FBI fingerprint clearance. Once we receive these clearances, we will contact you in writing and provide additional information on what is required next.
I assume the physician's attestation (statement) of suitability is their version of the psych eval that the DOJ states they may require.

But three character reference letters? Is that legal under the CA law?

And then there's the "what is required next" statement. What does that mean?
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Gents,
After speaking withe Wendy at the SoCo SO, she indicated that a sample of a "Physician's Statement of Suitability" is not available, and since I am not pre-approved I am 'WAYYY ahead of schedule'. She did imply that they will request a letter from my physician will be required, and it must stay that I 'Do not have any physical or mental issues which could influence my ability to concealed carry'.

She made it sound like I need to worry less about the doctors note, and more about actually being pre-approved. Obviously, since essentially no one in this county but the politicians, LEO's and political allies are permitted.

So...that settles that issue. Now, if my doctor is unwilling to provide such a letter for fear of legal ramification....that's another topic.

Funny that I have to get approval from: Sheriff, DOJ, AND my Doctor to get a carry permit.
Well crap! I'm a small business owner and Obamacare canceled my healthcare this year because, quote, "your mom and pop business doesn't meet their requirements".
So that's how they'll disarm us, no doctors note you loose... I'm so pissed off right now
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Sounds like we need a list of pro gun doctors. There must be some doctors that are Cal Gun members even if it means a little bit of a drive.
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Maybe some of the same doctors that give out 215 cards for weed will do a brisk business in ccw suitability letters as well. Ha ha ha!!!
No, really, the doctors note seems silly, but also seems like the least part of the process. Maybe it will go away in the Peruta fallout.
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But three character reference letters? Is that legal under the CA law?
That's why we are hoping for a good outcome from Richards.
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Hopefully since they are "shall issue" they will drop that Doc. Letter and reference garbage. I dropped off app yesterday and talked to a very nice lady today, she wrote my email on the app for me and I asked if they are handling the permits as shall issue and she said they sure are. I told her I put personnel protection, self defense, to abide by the law for just cause and she said that was perfect. So I guess time will tell. Anyone gone through the Peter Koch CCW class?
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You dropped off an app to the Sonoma County Sheriffs office and they told you they are "shall issue" now?? This is very intriguing!

How many CalGunners have turned in an app since the decision? I was holding off to see how it panned out but now I'm thinking maybe I should go ahead and get the process started...
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I'm waiting for the ruling to be finalized (no appeals).
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I'll call tomorrow when they're open.
Hopefully they will change that decision in light of recent events.
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So Harris is requesting en banc.
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Attorney General Kamala D. Harris today filed a petition in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, on behalf of the State of California, urging the court to review and reverse its decision in Peruta v. County of San Diego.

In its February 13, 2014 Peruta decision, the Ninth Circuit ruled that San Diego County violates the Second Amendment by requiring individuals to show “good cause,” beyond a mere desire to carry a gun, when applying for a concealed-carry weapons permit.

“Local law enforcement must be able to use their discretion to determine who can carry a concealed weapon," Attorney General Harris said. "I will do everything possible to restore law enforcement's authority to protect public safety, and so today am calling on the court to review and reverse its decision."

California state law currently requires individuals to show "good cause" to carry a concealed weapon, but gives local law enforcement control over the permit process. If the Ninth Circuit’s ruling is allowed to take effect, officials throughout the State could be required to issue concealed-carry permits to individuals based on nothing more than the applicant’s assertion that they wish to carry a gun for self-defense.

In San Diego County, concealed-carry permit applicants have, until now, been required to show “good cause” by demonstrating “a set of circumstances that distinguish the applicant from the mainstream and causes him or her to be placed in harm’s way.”

On February 21, 2014 San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore announced he would not seek further review of the Ninth Circuit’s ruling.

The copy of the filings is attached to the electronic version of this release at: https://oag.ca.gov/news
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Rinkor,
This about it this way; The state of California, which regulates CCW's requires an application, and a background check. Since no background check was done, I would say that your application process was not completed,

Also note that nor is a 'pre-approval' legal.
Pg 8, Q1 http://calgunsfoundation.org/wp-cont...guide_2012.pdf


Thus invalid, thus your 'initial 'pre-approval' cant count as a denial, as the application process was never completed. You cant be denied if you never completed the application.

I'm sure once rest of us get denied, we can join together and fight this.



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If you look at Page 3, it says that if you are approved, then you do the training...

Juicy bit on page 9, No medical testing can be mandated unless it is a "psych eval".

Also, no letters of reference on page 10.

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If you look at Page 3, it says that if you are approved, then you do the training...

Juicy bit on page 9, No medical testing can be mandated unless it is a "psych eval".

Also, no letters of reference on page 10.
Yup, basically his entire application process is not legal.


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I should also note that my "informal interview" was on February 10th. The letter was written February 10th. Seems like they already had their mind made up.
Don't kid yourself, their minds were made up before you applied. Now if you could only sue them should you ever get attacked and be unable to defend yourself.
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Peruta wasn't decided until the 13th, right? I don't see how you would have expected anything other than a denial. I'm really curious to see how applications after Peruta are handled.
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I just received a letter of preliminary approval. Next step is the live scan for $114
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Finger printing on Wednesday. They said no list of training instructors available till after I pass the live scan. One step at a time so it seems.
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They said no list of training instructors available till after I pass the live scan. One step at a time so it seems.
There is a list of "Sonoma County Law Enforcement Chiefs' Association Approved CCW Training Course Providers" at the bottom of the SO CCW webpage. They list four entities, The Sonoma County Public Safety Training Center, Peter Koch Associates (Marin), Jack Jennings (Napa), and Ray Higbee (Ukiah). Seems very limited, although, if you're used to not issuing permits, it's a moot point.
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There is a list of "Sonoma County Law Enforcement Chiefs' Association Approved CCW Training Course Providers" at the bottom of the SO CCW webpage. They list four entities, The Sonoma County Public Safety Training Center, Peter Koch Associates (Marin), Jack Jennings (Napa), and Ray Higbee (Ukiah). Seems very limited, although, if you're used to not issuing permits, it's a moot point.
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Reapply then.

And bummer that he is not too thrilled to issue permits.; I'm not too trilled in having my tax dollars paid in a million dollar settlement to the family of the kid who deputies shot because he was carrying a plastic gun.

If you apply during this window of the current ruling stands, then it would probably be hard to deny you.
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Are you just trying to save yourself the $20 application fee? Just reapply and save yourself the headache and time wasted trying to appeal something you were flat out told would be denied again.
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I would ask Lt. Basurto on what basis the appeal would be denied, ie, why does he know, in advance, that he would deny the appeal? Maybe it's a procedural thing related to the appeal process. Perhaps the appeal is reviewed in the past, ie, "Was the decision to deny appropriate at the time when the app was submitted?" Hard to say because their true intentions and internal policies are not clear.

His answer to this question could illustrate whether or not his foreknowledge is accurate and valid. If not, maybe the sheriff could weigh in with a second opinion on Lt. Basurto's pronouncement.

It would also be good to know if the appeals process is longer or more convoluted than the application process.

His stonewalling doesn't make a lot of sense in real terms or the big picture, but, we all know it's not about practical logic. It will be great if some day the Sonoma County LEOs would stop viewing us as a public nuisance and/or the enemy, and start realizing we are valuable assets and allies.
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The Sheriff updated their website regarding CCW's.

http://www.sonomasheriff.org/ccw.php
Wow. And he said he'll accept "self defense". But he says if the ruling is stayed or goes en banc, that he won't.

So the rulling has been stayed, correct? (I've read all the Peruta threads and the more I read, the more I get lost.)

And the en banc may now come later than the 7th, because of the request for intervention by the AG?

So does this mean we currently are back where we started with SCS?
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Hope it goes well for you. Looking forward to learning how they respond, and to congratulating you for being on the short track to LTC!
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Wow. And he said he'll accept "self defense". But he says if the ruling is stayed or goes en banc, that he won't.



So the rulling has been stayed, correct? (I've read all the Peruta threads and the more I read, the more I get lost.)



And the en banc may now come later than the 7th, because of the request for intervention by the AG?



So does this mean we currently are back where we started with SCS?

That is exactly how I feel !
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Peruta v. County of San Diego
The Sonoma County Sheriff’s Office will accept CCW applications which include, in the “Details of Reason for Applicant Desiring a CCW License” (on page 10 of 13 of the California Department of Justice Standard Initial and Renewal Application for License to Carry a Concealed Weapon), that the CCW license is needed for self-defense or personal safety. Applications which include other reasons showing “good cause” for the CCW License as set forth in the Sonoma County Sheriff’s Policy 219, Concealed Weapons Licenses, will also be accepted.

If the Peruta v. County of San Diego panel decision is withdrawn by a decision to rehear the case en banc in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, or a stay is issued by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals or the United States Supreme Court, we will require applicants to supplement the “good cause” statement for the CCW License in accord with Sonoma County Sheriff’s Office Policy 219.
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Need some advice, guys:
With the favorable Richards decision should I turn in my CCW app now or keep a eye on what happens with Peruta? Does the sheriff still have the power to deny at will, or will this force shall issue?
I've tried to keep up on the Peruta threads but I can't tell if the decision is stayed and therefore the sheriff is looking at apps like he always has or if he is issuing according to the new guidelines set by the 9th.
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I know myself, and 3 other CG guys here submitted. One member using self defense (or the like) on his application has already been 'pre-approved'

Are you not following the 707 thread?
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I have my app in.. I applied on the 24th.. the guy that got pre approved applied on the 20th....
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haha I pop in there every once in a while but there are so many simultaneous conversations it can be hard to follow at times.
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