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Marketplace Rules Revision II
As you know we made some changes to the rules for the Marketplace forums a while back. These changes were necessary due to the growth of Calguns.net and the heavy traffic seen in the Marketplace forums.
Unfortunately some members were unhappy with the new rules and some felt they were too strict and there was a fair amount of complaints about them. The things that necessitated the new rules still exist and still will be covered however we also want to listen to you the members so the Staff has been working on a revision of the new rules for some time now. Not much has changed but there are some areas that are substantially different and some that are new. The hope is this this revision will address the needed changes while still allowing a freer environment in the Marketplace forums. The 'New Marketplace Rules Rev. II' are below: |
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Doesn't vBulletin have a software option to just keep a thread from being bumped every 24 hours, regardless of the amount of posts? Seems like it would take care of a lot of things on your end.... I also object to my question on the grounds that it has probably been asked and answered. |
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Put back in the Thread Rating feature.
A seller or buyer who backs out on an agreed-upon deal should be able to receive negative iTrader feedback.
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Yes, but allowing the seller to withdraw from an agreement because they found someone who will pay more violates the intent and terms of the marketplace, even if the buyer hasn't driven anywhere. That seller deserves negative feedback since they weren't honorable. (And the reverse is true if the buyer backs out due to remorse or finding a lower price)
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"By selling and buying in the Marketplace you agree to abide by the final decision of the moderator team regarding any dispute. Arbitrating disputes is not the job of the moderating team, but if we're asked to deal with a problem we expect you to respect and abide by our decisions."
since when are moderators qualified to become judges or even arbitrators? see link below. Judicial arbitration http://www.scselfservice.org/civ/adr/judicialarb.htm
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The feedback thing makes sense.. I got left negative feedback because I listed I would travel to do a PPT but wasn't specific on how far. Guy posted an "I'll take it". I told him I wasn't willing to drive 100 miles to do PPT. He left negative feedback. I notified mods and they did nothing....
He wasn't out anytime nor money, he was just bitter.... Whatever |
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These new rules seems fairly common sense and reasonable. Hopefully all of the community will feel better about having had the chance to give feedback on the rules. Kudos to the staff for taking the time to think out the problem and make appropriate revisions.
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It would be of considerable help if photos were a requirement. How else can we judge condition, and in some cases identify which item they are actually selling? When search for a $2K+ item the last thing you want to see is 400 ads with no pictures and a half hearted attempt to describe which version of the item they have. We used to be able to "strongly encourage" people into learning how to post pictures, and it worked. That's how I learned. I would bet it is how 90%+ of us learned.
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Holy Lord. I Predicted this months ago. I love being right. I could have bet money I would be right. To bad my post with my prediction of the rule change was deleted . The pro shills must have overwhelmed the Mods with their form of civil disobedience in trying to fight the power.
To the Mods. How will you determine how many shills are acceptable? 3 shills a day? is the 4th shill to much? How will you determine who is friend's with who? I know some of the more notorious pro shillers would come online to post various time in the sales forum with "great guy" " Deal in confidence" etc. I still don't see how posting these comments makes it a "community". I predict a rash of offer sents! or should I say Low Ball sent! To all you shill hards you have your "community". Good Luck with the Sale! Wish you were down South! wish i could afford it! Great GUY! DEAL IN Confidence! PM Sent! OFFER SENT! Oh yea...
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Also if a seller is making agreements and then taking higher offers that then falls under the 'No Auctions' rule and has it's own repercussions. Quote:
In cases of dispute the Moderators already act as Mediators at the request of one or both parties, this is a formalized statement of what currently occurs. The Staff only gets involved when one or both parties feels there is an issue that they can not resolve among themselves and asks for help. In a case such as this the staff will look at the issue and all communication from both parties and attempt to reach an amicable solution. In most cases a solution can be reached however in the rare case when it can not be or a serious problem arises this rule allows the Staff to act as needed. The bottom line is CGN and the Marketplace forums are a private entity and venue and like all private entities there has to be a 'Court of Last Resort'. Quote:
This was heavily discussed by the Staff and we have some methods and ideas that will not be discussed publicly. Also we will be looking for patterns and familiarity. If we start to recognize a member's name associated with similar posts or see a trend forming that will be a give away as well. We will always do our best to be objective however I will post this again: "Interpretation of intent will be at the discretion of the Calguns Staff." The intent of these revisions is not to try to make everyone happy, that will never happen. What is intended is to merge as best as is possible the criteria and concerns of the forum and the Staff with the desires of the community in to something that while not perfect for everyone is acceptable to most.
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If I may make a suggestion -
How about Kestryll creates a new CGN position - Marketplace Mediators. There are a fair number of level-headed, legally-trained and relatively neutral members who could be tapped to serve as mediators for marketplace disputes. This would serve two purposes: 1. It would relieve moderators of additional duties - the job is already demanding enough on those who volunteer, and asking them to mediate a contractual dispute is not only something that may be out of their realm, but also a duty that is neglected due to an already heavy load of moderating work. 2. It would promote fairness and equity in the marketplace. Just because someone is a spectacular moderator does not make them qualified to render a judgement in a contract dispute, which is exactly what every marketplace disagreement is. Contract law is a very complex and often confusing area of civil law, and it is unfair and unjust to assign an unqualified mediator as the "final say". This is not meant as a hit against a moderator, but the reality is that contractual disputes should not be adjudicated by any CGN staff member if there is not a sound base for assigning the staff member to the task. I understand that the intent is to inject a cooler head into a dispute if it cannot be solved between the disputing parties, but what you are creating is a system that will in all likelihood render incorrect judgments and reward guilt at the expense of fair marketplace participants. In short, don't mediate unless you are qualified to do so. |
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The Market place is a fast moving forum and we could always use an extra hand but limiting a few guys to one forum tends to make them/him work in a vacuum imo. Then again if the forum keeps growing the rules will get tighter or we will have to have more volunteers in the future. I dont have a head count of Mods but with my new job I am not able to help as much as I would like. Weekend Duty (I said Duty!) will allow me more time to read the forum and respond to reports faster.
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Kestryll keeps moderators doing their job - moderating relatively fast-moving forums. The mods that exists were selected for the job because they are good at maintaining order. Kestryll selects new users to act solely as marketplace mediators - they don't moderate forums or have any duties aside from hearing disputes that marketplace users have not been able to settle on their own. This keeps the mods doing their job - policing the community. And it creates mediators to do their own separate job - adjudicating disputes. I guess it's like mods are cops, mediators are judges. Mods don't get extra duties tacked onto their already packed to-do list, and marketplace users have a qualified person that they can seek to help mediate disputes with other marketplace users. |
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so, like "the Moderator's Court" Judge Wapner ///
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If I understand this right, I can now bump at 5o'clock before work one day, then the next, if I work at 3, I can bump before work then too? Since it's a different calendar day? I like that a lot more. I got talked to once because I bumped 3 hours early or something like that. Wasn't a huge deal, except I quit bumping my threads as often because of my schedules.
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Mods, thanks for changing the rules as you did, and thank you for being responsive to what the community wanted. You guys are doing a kickass job.
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Blah blah blah makes about as much sense as the shilling you do. Great deal! Good Luck with the sale! Great guy! Deal in confidence! You pro shills got what you wanted. Why are you still talking about? HURRY Go shill, go put offer sent on everything on the marketplace. Go say how great your friends over MSRP used gun is. Shill to your hearts content.
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I can help with that.
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When did i say the new rules will stop me from reading the marketplace? Do i like the new rule? No. I understand this is not my forum unlike the pro shills. I didn't go make a poll and a thread about how I hate the new rule revisions. I though this was the announcements and suggestions?
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There is no way to make everyone happy but I think Kestryl's revision is a pretty good shot at it.
I have 10 bucks that says the rules will change again one day. As the forum gets bigger and more software becomes available the rules will change. I think this is at least the 4th time they have been modified for the marketplace. Semper Gumby
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I have to ask, for clarification.. do I have this correct.. you may bump your thread once per calendar day.. not every 24 hrs only.?
So I may bump my thread anytime on the 16th , and then anytime on the 17th..even if they are not 24 hrs apart?? as long as they are different calendar days.. |
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Please use Pacific time! If it's 1 AM on the 13th in Virginia, it isn't yet the 13th in California.
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Thanks !! Last edited by biker777; 01-16-2011 at 9:03 PM.. |
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A no show with a reschedule may be required on many number of accounts. And in the end, a deal is really only a deal once it is consummated by the exchange of goods, services, or funds. Until this happens it is a promise. Anyone who has not broken a promise is more than likely has a less accurate memory than they claim.
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Questions: I suggested using many methods as used on pbnation.com here such as: -Paying for "Gold Ups" which keeps a for sale ad pinned to the top of the first page. They limited this to around 13 listings when first offered. This gave increased revenue to the site.
-Adding a bump button. Pbnation has one and it is extremely effective. What is holding you back from using these two items? |
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I did a quick look, and that bump facility does not seem to be a supported feature of vBulletin 4.x. Possible I missed it, though - I'm not a member of the vbulletin.org forum, nor am I a vbulletin customer. I think it understandable to be a 'late adopter' ...
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ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."Ann Althouse: “Begin with the hypothesis that what they did is what they wanted to do. If they postured that they wanted to do something else, regard that as a con. Work from there. The world will make much more sense.” Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs. |
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Oh I read it but again I point to www.pbnation.com which has been using it for the past 2-3 years or so without any problems on the user end. Their user base is also FAR above calguns so traffic should not be any issue.
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