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Old 05-20-2019, 10:57 PM
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Default Recommended varmint scope (squirrels): 4x12, 4x16?

As far as trying to answer my question, I first checked the thread sticky for scopes at the top of this forum. The link listed to rimfirecentral is broken.

Then manually went back through 1 year of posts, and then did a search of this forum for scope threads. I still haven't seen any threads that apply. So here is my question...

I have a younger cousin in OR that has a friend with a farm near Klamath Falls that is inviting us up to help clear out ground squirrels after the first cut of the season in early June. My cousin uses .22's and .17's on tables or bog pods / shooting sticks.

I am bringing up a couple of .22's (CZ 452 and 10-22), but am also bringing up a new Savage .17 HMR I bought for the occasion (that's my excuse and I'm sticking with it).

What would be be the recommended scope zoom spec? I am considering 4x12x40, 4x12x50 and 4x16x50. I have a 3x9 Nikon on the 452 and a fixed 4x32 Tasco on the 10-22. They've both been scoped like that for years, before I started needing reading glasses and a few other vision issues. I have read plenty of posts to scope threads at rimfirecentral, etc, that suggest 4x, 6x, etc are all that's needed. But I know my eyes and I know I will need a lot more magnification for the .17 HMR, including the fact my eyes aren't what they used to be.

So I have settled on either 12 or 16 power (looking at Hawke Vantage HD IR AO and Burris Fullfield). Any particular reason one might be better than the other? The only difference between the two I have found have been posts to some threads on rimfirecentral about preferring the 16x principally for range / target use. FOV doesn't seem too much different, and 40 or 50 mm objective isn't an issue that I can see. Exit pupil and eye relief appear to be similar also.

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Old 05-21-2019, 6:25 AM
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Imho, at those powers, look for an AO scope. A fixed parallax scope may not focus as close in as you may want. Hawke is a good choice, so is the Sightron s1 line. I have scopes from both companies, a Hawke 2-7 so on a springer air rifle plus a 4-12 s1-tac-ao on the MVP , and really like them. I'm thinking about moving the s1 to a .22mag rifle. They are both made in the Philippines, and are relatively inexpensive, good values scopes.
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:57 AM
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I would only use a 1" tube and 40-44mm lens so I could mount it lower and you will give NOTHING up with that. 4X12X40 should be fine on a rimfire. I want more power on a centerfire since I will shoot longer ranges.
Not so sure an AO scope is needed for a rimfire. I do not have one on any of mine and they do quite well.
I also need to wear glasses and am older.
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Old 05-21-2019, 1:36 PM
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I use a Weaver 4X16 on my CZ 455. 4X16 is a good range for the 17HMR. When I first went squirrel shooting up north I used a simple 3X9 and killed hundreds of squirrels in a few days. I thought the 3X9 wasn't strong enough for the longer shots (150+). Following year I used the 4X16 and I was happy.

Between Hawke & Burris I don't have any experience, but I know Burris is good stuff. Weaver was recently sold so they may be a little harder to find. I'm planning to get another CZ (CZ 457) in 17 HMR and will get a 4X16.
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Old 05-24-2019, 7:33 PM
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I don’t wear my reading glasses when shooting,, i adjust my scope... A fast focus eyepiece ,, instead of the older twist and lock eyepiece is the way to go... Nikon or Bushnell (Monarch or Trophy) 3x12x40 are my favs for .22 cal and even some 223 rifles .. 50mm objective bells make mounting low a problem and aren’t really necessary on a rimfire squirrel gun ... It’s always better to look thru a scope before you buy it,,, everyone’s eye perception is different...
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Since you're using short range cartridges the 4-12x40 is more than enough. At 200 yards the 12X would be like looking at them at 50 feet with the naked eye.

I use 16X for for 400+ yards.
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Old 05-25-2019, 10:32 AM
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OP, if you get the Hawke Vantage HD IR AO please give a report on it, and keep us informed. Am curious what you'll end up with, why, and how you like it
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OP - whatever you get, if it has adjustable parallax/focus, get a scope that adjusts from a side turret rather than by the objective. Much easier to adjust/use.
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Oddjob nailed it! 4x16 for the .17 hmr and the 12 for the 22.

Ground squirrels are the most fun, when they go up on two legs squint your eye a bit and they look just like ISIS!
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Started hunting at 8, been at it for 55 years, the set-up is the standard 300 yard and under, for hunting, 1-9x40, duplex reticle, bad eyes, invest in a 1500 dollar^ scope.
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I have a 6-18 on my savage 17hmr and wouldn’t trade it for anything! Squirrels get very small out 200+ yds... I’ve nailed them up to 240 yds with that combo, I wouldn’t call the .17hmr a short range cartridge... don’t skimp on the zoom
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I use identicle Bushnell 4X12 scopes for my CZ 17hmr and my Savage Mk2 fvsr 22lr.
The scopes work well within the effective range of either round for me.
I use them both around the ranch for culling the varmint cong. 100 yds is my typical stand off position from their tunnel complex and I use subsonic Aguilla 22. Beyond that the 17 takes over.
4X12 works real well for me.

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Thank you for all of the input. Just as I suspected based on my other online research, the largest majority seem split along the lines of a 12x - 16x, with some going a bit more or less (3-9x, x18, etc).

Using Talley 1 piece lightweight alloy rings the mounting height shouldn't be an issue since the comb & cheek piece is so high on the laminated thumb hole stock version I have. So no problem that I can see there.

All of the Hawke's I mentioned are front ring parallex adjustment, their only (slight) downfall that I can see.

Since this is clearly a "heavier" stocked option, and I definitely see it as a bench vs walking rifle, I am forming the opinion that the increased size & weight of a larger scope & objective aren't much of a concern for my specific purpose.

For farm work in the Northwest, with farm plots among thick treelines, I am thinking the wider objective will help with darkened areas and dim light conditions (including fog).

Add in my fading eyesight, and everything leads me to think I will be trying out the 4x16x50 first.

I'll post back with a review when I return in a couple of weeks.

Thanks again!

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On my .17 HMR I have a Burris Fullfield II 4.5x14 with ballistic plex reticle.
Zeroed at 100 yards, the hashmarks are right on out to 175 yards with 17 grain ammo.
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That was my next choice, the Burris Fullfield. Similar pricing, although the Hawke has the illuminated reticle. If the Hawke is lacking, that'll be another option.

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