New Primary Arms 6x with "ACSS reticule" 5.56/5.45

[haw1144]

Awesome! Thanks Dimitri!

Originally Posted by PrimaryArms

50 yard 0 is what is recommended at your altitude/barrel/ammo.

You will be on center mass out to 700 at 800 hold about 12" above target. M855 will be dead on out to 800 with 100 zero.

Dimitri

[The Geologist]

Dimitri
Sounds like this scope might be a good match for a Mini-14. Can it be mounted using the OEM scope ring set up?

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by The Geologist

Dimitri
Sounds like this scope might be a good match for a Mini-14. Can it be mounted using the OEM scope ring set up?

Yes we created the 6x to work with AK74,Siagas,AR,Mini14 and any other rifle that shoots 5.56 and some .223 rounds.

Dimitri

[larryb]

Any issues using this scope with a standard AR front sight?

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by larryb

Any issues using this scope with a standard AR front sight?

It doesn't show up.

Dimitri

[larryb]

Awesome, thanks. Ordering one here shortly.

[SoCal Gunner]

OK guys, I've scanned all the threads on the ACSS and I don't see much on what scope mounts people are going with. I bought and ACSS, thinking I had an extra LaRue mount laying around, but the ring size is too big. (LOL at myself; Its always bugged me to more in $$ in glass than the rifle, but I'm coming around. So what do I do? I put a $180 scope in a $270 mount).

Anyway, I saw PA's offerings, but I wasn't prepared to make a choice at order time. So what are you guys using? I'd love to get a lever mount so I can pop it on and off easily. For those that don't have one, the ACSS takes a 1" scope mount. Going on a railed DD 16" barreled upper.

[marsh1]

Originally Posted by SoCal Gunner

OK guys, I've scanned all the threads on the ACSS and I don't see much on what scope mounts people are going with. I bought and ACSS, thinking I had an extra LaRue mount laying around, but the ring size is too big. (LOL at myself; Its always bugged me to more in $$ in glass than the rifle, but I'm coming around. So what do I do? I put a $180 scope in a $270 mount).

Anyway, I saw PA's offerings, but I wasn't prepared to make a choice at order time. So what are you guys using? I'd love to get a lever mount so I can pop it on and off easily. For those that don't have one, the ACSS takes a 1" scope mount. Going on a railed DD 16" barreled upper.

LaRue will usually supply 1" rings for your mount at no charge, if you contact them.

[SoCal Gunner]

^ Thanks for the info, I'll give it s shot.

I'll still take recommendations on mounts because in the long run, the La rue will end up on my LR 308 (if I ever finish it).

[Justintoxicated]

Originally Posted by SoCal Gunner

^ Thanks for the info, I'll give it s shot.

I'll still take recommendations on mounts because in the long run, the La rue will end up on my LR 308 (if I ever finish it).

Burris if you want a solid mount on the cheap (*note I do not own one)
http://www.amazon.com/Burris-410343-...s=burris+mount

[SoCal Gunner]

That Burris PEPR is exactly what I was considering, just want to make sure there are no issues with it.

[marsh1]

Originally Posted by Justintoxicated

Burris if you want a solid mount on the cheap (*note I do not own one)
http://www.amazon.com/Burris-410343-...s=burris+mount

We have the Burris mounts. You can order along with the scope.

[Justintoxicated]

Originally Posted by marsh1

We have the Burris mounts. You can order along with the scope.

Sorry about that, just linked to amazon for the reviews I would order it with the scope.

[Coolguy101]

Question: how is it that you are able to patent that reticle when it's essentially the same reticle that Trijicon uses, being the only difference I noticed was yours has the mph dots on the sides?

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by Coolguy101

Question: how is it that you are able to patent that reticle when it's essentially the same reticle that Trijicon uses, being the only difference I noticed was yours has the mph dots on the sides?

There are no leads,vertical ranging and wind combined in a Trijicon.

Trijicon uses ranging with BDC corollated and based on Russian reticules



Look familiar?

Same with the Horseshoe
It has been used in some tank sighting systems



The ACSS does this as well but focuses on critical factors

Ranging
ranging with an ACOG style reticule the person must be facing you in order to range them shoulder to shoulder if they are sideways you cant range them right. In our testing people don't face you directly that almost never happens unless they are prone. In live situation people move!. The ACSS ranging allows for all angle and while moving.

Wind
Wind is critical factor past 400 you loose center mass. After testing and testing we understood just how important wind is.

Leads
In live situations again everyone is moving
8.6 is a must for engaging fast movers.

All these factors make the ACSS unique and patent pending as a sighting system.

Dimitri

[akoba]

Leads
In live situations everyone is moving
8.6 is a must for engaging fast movers.

All these factors make the ACSS unique and patent pending as a sighting system.

Dimitri[/QUOTE]

What does 8.6 means? more info please. While i'm waiting for my order.

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by akoba

Leads
In live situations everyone is moving
8.6 is a must for engaging fast movers.

All these factors make the ACSS unique and patent pending as a sighting system.

Dimitri

What does 8.6 means? more info please. While i'm waiting for my order.[/QUOTE]

8.6 mph is how fast the average target runs holding a weapon. Snipers use it for a firing solution to lead targets. In Iraq it was used extensively to stop insurgents from crossing streets trying to resupply or better position them selves. The lead dots on ACSS are set from 50-300 yards. Its set for 90 degree angle but you can use your judgment on angle,half speed and so on. Its a point of reference. Same with the wind if its a 10 mph wind double the hold and so on.

Dimitri

[Dano3467]

primary arms 6X for a 308 would be a good purchase for me also !!!

Federal 168 gold match 16 inch barrel

How long before we could get this ?

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by Dano3467

primary arms 6X for a 308 would be a good purchase for me also !!!

Federal 168 gold match 16 inch barrel

How long before we could get this ?

Any idea what your fps is?
2750 with 149gr standard M-80 will have you on out to 700yards at 800 it will be roughly 10" high so hold at belt line.

Dimitri

[EvolutionGSR]

I like this reticle. Any plans to put it into something else, like a 1-4x?

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by EvolutionGSR

I like this reticle. Any plans to put it into something else, like a 1-4x?

We have a 1-6 in the works
Prototype appears highly effective at CQB at 1x and at 6x steel targets are not safe out to 800

Dimitri

[BANG BANG]

Interesting scope !! I just finished another AR build in 6.8 16" barrel

Compatibility?? Trying use it as a multiple purpose rifle ...

carbine class / range and pig hunting

[LBDamned]

Originally Posted by PrimaryArms

We have a 1-6 in the works
Prototype appears highly effective at CQB at 1x and at 6x steel targets are not safe out to 800

Dimitri

any ETA?... I have a pre-order for Bushnell Throwdown PCL, but your scope in 1-6 would be an interesting consideration...

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by BANG BANG

Interesting scope !! I just finished another AR build in 6.8 16" barrel

Compatibility?? Trying use it as a multiple purpose rifle ...

carbine class / range and pig hunting

Fps? Bullet your using or BC?

Dimitri

[BANG BANG]

Originally Posted by BANG BANG

Interesting scope !! I just finished another AR build in 6.8 16" barrel

Compatibility?? Trying use it as a multiple purpose rifle ...

carbine class / range and pig hunting

Originally Posted by PrimaryArms

Fps? Bullet your using or BC?

Dimitri

Mainly SSA ammo .. 110 grain Sierra Hunter FPS 2500 / .314 BC

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by BANG BANG

Mainly SSA ammo .. 110 grain Sierra Hunter FPS 2500 / .314 BC

50 yard 0
0-200 your on
300 hair low
400=500 mark
500=600 mark
600=700 mark
700=800 mark
800=N/A

Lol its the best I can do for your caliber for a scope based on 5.56. Just remember to add 100 yards on yard marks for BDC

Dimitri

[Shrubmaster]

What kind of mounting setup do you use on your ak?

Tried it on an sks? 1022?

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by Shrubmaster

What kind of mounting setup do you use on your ak?

Tried it on an sks? 1022?

7.62x39@ 2400
50 yard 0 on to 200
300=270
400=340
500=400
600=480
700=550
800=620




we have a 7.62x39 version in the works.
I have been pushing for a 22 version but can't get approved you guys should request it on PA industry

Dimitri

[nrakid88]

Originally Posted by PrimaryArms

I have been pushing for a 22 version but can't get approved you guys should request it on PA industry

Dimitri

Whoah whoah whoah... as in a .22lr version???

I was originally planning on getting two of the 5.56 versions, one for my 5.56 ar, one for my .22lr ar.

How would you work out the reticle for .22lr? Keep the shoulder width of human and height of human thing, but just change the holds and windage?

Or maybe do like height of a specific small game for ranging?

You have my interest, the mic is yours.

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by nrakid88

Whoah whoah whoah... as in a .22lr version???

I was originally planning on getting two of the 5.56 versions, one for my 5.56 ar, one for my .22lr ar.

How would you work out the reticle for .22lr? Keep the shoulder width of human and height of human thing, but just change the holds and windage?

Or maybe do like height of a specific small game for ranging?

You have my interest, the mic is yours.

I can't say how it works but your on the right track.



Dimitri

[FMJBT]

Originally Posted by PrimaryArms

we have a 7.62x39 version in the works.
I have been pushing for a 22 version but can't get approved you guys should request it on PA industry

Dimitri

It would be cool if you could do one for 300 BLK that had dual holds for supersonic/subsonic ammo. The supersonic holds would work pretty well for 7.62X39, and subsonic holds would be a very close match for the .22 LR.

[nrakid88]

Fmjbt, i think that would be killing three birds with one stone

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by FMJBT

It would be cool if you could do one for 300 BLK that had dual holds for supersonic/subsonic ammo. The supersonic holds would work pretty well for 7.62X39, and subsonic holds would be a very close match for the .22 LR.

300 BLK out has been considered but we are not sure how many are out there, ammo availability and so on. I have created a 300blk reticle thats sweet... But its not up to me.

Dimitri

[jason8055]

any news on the 1-6 !?

[Gwalker99]

Wish the circle was a little brighter during the day... I would be all over this.. I wouldnt mind if I had to put a battery in it either.

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by Gwalker99

Wish the circle was a little brighter during the day... I would be all over this.. I wouldnt mind if I had to put a battery in it either.

The 6x illuminates with a battery



Dimitri

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by jason8055

any news on the 1-6 !?

It will come eventually, no news..

[Gwalker99]

IS this sight weather proof? and will there be a version that uses a pic rail instead of brackets or whatever?

[haw1144]

I had pm'd you guys with these questions... but figured you guys must be swamped with PMs so hopefully can get the answer in here:

Looking to get the 6x for fiance's rifle. Our outdoor range is around 3,000ft elevation.
The rifle is a 16" barrel shooting 55gr 5.56 ammo.

1) Using a 50y zero, what will the rest of the holdovers (200y-800y) be? Same? +/- XXX? Will the 50y zero throw off the leads, avg target height/width as well?

2) If we end up using the 100y zero, i would assume the 200y holdover should be ~the same for 50y?

[PrimaryArms]

Originally Posted by haw1144

I had pm'd you guys with these questions... but figured you guys must be swamped with PMs so hopefully can get the answer in here:

Looking to get the 6x for fiance's rifle. Our outdoor range is around 3,000ft elevation.
The rifle is a 16" barrel shooting 55gr 5.56 ammo.

1) Using a 50y zero, what will the rest of the holdovers (200y-800y) be? Same? +/- XXX? Will the 50y zero throw off the leads, avg target height/width as well?

2) If we end up using the 100y zero, i would assume the 200y holdover should be ~the same for 50y?

What 5.56 m855 or M193?
Why 50y and not 100y?
All the ranging stays the same and lead. The BDC will be high with a 50y zero. Unless after dialing in at 50 you drop down 1 moa

Dimitri