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Old 08-25-2010, 7:38 PM
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Default 15.5 yo with drivers permit, towing a trailer allowed?

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Are there any legal restrictions in CA for a 15.5 year old with a class C learners permit to drive a Chevrolet 1500 pulling a boat trailer (boat trailer: less than 25' long, less than 5,000# - surge disk brakes on trailer) other than the usual requirements (adult over 25, licensed driver, permitted hours, etc...)?

If there are can he drive it when he gets his full (under 18, 1st year restricted) license?

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Cannot find and specific information restricting this.

Are there any legal restrictions in CA for a 15.5 year old with a class C learners permit to drive a Chevrolet 1500 pulling a boat trailer (boat trailer: less than 25' long, less than 5,000# - surge disk brakes on trailer) other than the usual requirements (adult over 25, licensed driver, permitted hours, etc...)?

Not Sure, I'd check with DMV. Even if it is, it is not a good idea. Towing a trailer requires a solid foundation of basic driving skills combined with experience. Any driving decision made is intensified by towing a trailer. Just not a good idea in my opinion. The permit is referred to as an "instruction permit" for a good reason.

If there are can he drive it when he gets his full (under 18, 1st year restricted) license?

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Just sounds to me like he wants his kid to be able to take the boat out with his friends and have a little fun. Absolutely have the fun, but inexperienced drivers tend to cause the most preventable collisions. Like Ron-Solo stated, give it a little more time.
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Towing a trailer is not an easy task, especially for new drivers. Even if he is permitted, I would not let him do it with just a permit.
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thanks all for the response.

He will not be driving or towing without me and are correct, I want him to get the experience of what it is to tow (turning radius, stopping, longer following distance....). House to the ramp is less than 3 miles, 4 lane road, 1 light, almost no traffic. I want him to be able to back-up and move the truck and trailer in an emergency.

I was driving around the lot for a year at that age only going up and down the ramp and the parking lot, and wanted to make sure it was not against the law as the ramp and lot are state property. He will not be operating on the highway or in traffic. (at least for a few years).

He also has wild ideas of our 37' motorhome and him driving (not going to happen)...

still open to any legal restrictions.


(Still less stressed than when I was working drivers training with an 18 year olds (who had only driven a civic) and driving ambulance code 3 for the first time in LA.)
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If a 15 1/2 year old has grown up driving a lot of ag equipment, tractors, etc., He may have more driving and towing experience than many of the morons who pull their toy boxes, boats or other toys a couple times a year. If he doesn't have years of driving experience, I wouldn't consider it until he has a few years behind the wheel.
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If a 15 1/2 year old has grown up driving a lot of ag equipment, tractors, etc., He may have more driving and towing experience than many of the morons who pull their toy boxes, boats or other toys a couple times a year. If he doesn't have years of driving experience, I wouldn't consider it until he has a few years behind the wheel.
Exactly! At that age I had been pulling trailers with trractors on the ranch for 5-6 years already.
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Exactly! At that age I had been pulling trailers with trractors on the ranch for 5-6 years already.
Driving vehicles on a farm/ranch is a little different than coming down a steep grade with multiple vehicles on both sides of you and having to decide what to do when the trailer starts swaying back and forth. On a ranch, the most you'll do is take out crops or your personal property. On the freeway going to the lake, you could cause a pileup and kill people (obvious extreme example). I would wait until he's way beyond 18 and has proven the ability to really handle the extra load. Just my .02 cents.


BTW - From a legal standpoint before 18.....whatever he does is your responsibility. God forbid the above happens....guess who they're coming after. Again....just my opinion.

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If a 15 1/2 year old has grown up driving a lot of ag equipment, tractors, etc., He may have more driving and towing experience than many of the morons who pull their toy boxes, boats or other toys a couple times a year. If he doesn't have years of driving experience, I wouldn't consider it until he has a few years behind the wheel.
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Boats are pretty easy. Small 25 footer will track very easily, the only thing to worry about really is the wheels sticking out.

I was pulling 30 foot horse trailers at 16.
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Boats are pretty easy. Small 25 footer will track very easily, the only thing to worry about really is the wheels sticking out.

I was pulling 30 foot horse trailers at 16.
Now that's a serious trailer!
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The books that have the rules tell you what you can do with your permit driving...

Follow them, oh wait a minute you would then have to read the rules/codes for your new position in life

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Driving is dangerous, towing anything is dangerous, doing either without training or experience is even more dangerous.
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slyMon, don't forget that your boy cannot have passengers under 20 years of age in the pickup while he's towing the boat.
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I think the one putting the boy in the towing driverseat is somewhat negligent to be honest...

If out somewhere not many vehicles and learning experience might be alright but not on freeway driving in very busy cities...Let him grow up without a terrible experience that happens a lot while towing items and not being ready..

Sort of like life itself, all part of being responsible, and it is obvious some just are not...

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It isn't! I just finished taking drivers ed, and I believe you can't with your permit. Once he has his license he is good to go I believe
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Cannot find and specific information restricting this.

Are there any legal restrictions in CA for a 15.5 year old with a class C learners permit to drive a Chevrolet 1500 pulling a boat trailer (boat trailer: less than 25' long, less than 5,000# - surge disk brakes on trailer) other than the usual requirements (adult over 25, licensed driver, permitted hours, etc...)?

If there are can he drive it when he gets his full (under 18, 1st year restricted) license?

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Sorry and no. Once you pass, the DMV will hand you your interim license, good for 60 days. Permit and driver license are called, "Provisional" and they are not class C driver license.

Your provisional instruction permit will have the following restrictions:

•You must obey the traffic laws
•You must drive without a collision

Before being eligible to take your driving test you must:

•Be 16 years old
•Have held your permit for a minimum of six months
•Have completed driver education
•Have completed 6 hours of professional driver training
•Have completed certify to the 50 hours of practice. At least 10 of the 50 hours must have been done at night.

A parent, guardian, spouse or adult 25 years of age or older, who has a valid California driver license, must be with you when you drive. He or she must sit in the front seat in order to take control of the vehicle, if necessary. It is illegal for you to drive alone at any time.

Driving Restrictions for Persons Under 18 Years of Age
The length of time for two restrictions on your driver license, if you are under 18 years of age:

For a period of 12 months, you may not transport passengers under age 20 unless you are accompanied by a parent, guardian, instructor or licensed driver over the age of 25, and you may not drive between 11 p.m. and 5 a.m.

To determine if these restrictions apply to you, look at the date on your driver license. The date printed just to the left of your photograph is the date these restrictions begin. The restrictions apply for 12 months following this date. For example: If the date on your license is May 7, 2005, you will have the above restrictions through May 7, 2006. Violation of either restriction can result in a fine and/or community service.

NOTE: If you are over 17 ½ but under 18 years of age, you may get your permit without the driver education and driver training certificates however, you will not be able to take the driving test until you are 18 years of age.

Class C license -
• You may drive:
- any 2-axle vehicle with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs. or less.
- any 3-axle vehicle weighing 6,000 lbs. or less gross.
- any housecar 40 feet or less.
- 3-wheel motorcycle.
- a vanpool vehicle designed to carry more than 10, but no more than 15 persons including the driver. The driver must have a valid medical certification on file with the DMV and carry a valid medical card. The driver shall keep in the vanpool vehicle a statement, signed under penalty of perjury, that he/she has not been convicted of reckless driving, drunk driving, or hit-and-run in the last five years. (CVC §12804.9[j])

• You may tow:
– a single vehicle with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less including a tow dolly, if used.

• With a vehicle weighing 4,000 lbs. or more unladen, you may tow:
– a trailer coach or 5th-wheel travel trailer under 10,000 lbs. GVWR when towing is not for compensation.
– a 5th-wheel travel trailer exceeding 10,000 lbs. but under
15,000 lbs. GVWR, when towing is not for compensation and with endorsement.

• A farmer or employee of a farmer may drive:
– any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of 26,000 lbs. or less if used exclusively in agricultural operations and it is not for hire or compensation.

NOTE:
• Class C licensees may not tow more than one vehicle.
• A passenger vehicle, regardless of weight, may not tow more than one vehicle.
• No motor vehicle under 4,000 lbs. unladen weight may tow any vehicle weighing 6,000 lbs. or more gross. (CVC §21715)

Exceptions to Restrictions
When reasonable transportation is not available and it is necessary for you to drive, the law grants the following exceptions for minors to drive between 11 pm and 5 am or to transport an immediate family member unaccompanied and unsupervised.

The law allows the following exceptions when reasonable transportation is not available and it is necessary for you to drive. A signed note must be kept in your possession for any of these exceptions explaining the necessity and the date when the driving necessity will end (except emancipated minors).

•Medical necessity when reasonable transportation alternatives are inadequate. The note must be signed by your physician, and contain the diagnosis and probable date of recovery.

•Schooling or school-authorized activity. The note must be signed by your school principal, dean, or his/her designee.

•Employment necessity and the need to operate a vehicle as part of your employment. The note must be signed by your employer verifying employment.

•Your necessity or the necessity of an immediate family member. The note must be signed by your parent or legal guardian.

•If you are an emancipated minor, no documentation is needed. However, you must have already declared yourself emancipated and provided DMV with Proof of Financial Responsibility (SR 1P) in lieu of your guarantors’ signatures.

Reasons for Obtaining a Class A and B Noncommercial License
If you plan on doing some hauling, check to see if the type of hauling warrants a more specialized license than the one you already have.

Be 18 years old or under 70.
You will need to obtain a noncommercial Class A license if you plan on towing:

A travel trailer more than 10,000 pounds Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR), and your hauling is not for hire. A fifth-wheel trailer more than 15,000 pounds GVWR and not for hire. A livestock trailer, not used for hire, between 10,000 and 15,000 pounds GVWR operated within 150 miles of a farm and you are a farmer who will transport livestock.

You will need to obtain a noncommercial Class B license if you plan on driving a housecar between 40 and 45 feet long.

You're exempt from having to apply for the noncommercial Class B license if you already have:

- A commercial driver license either Class A or B.
- A noncommercial driver license Class A.
- Any form of firefighter license.

Apply for Class A and Class B Driver Permits
If you need to get a noncommercial Class A or Class B driver license but first need submit a Physician’s Health Report (DL 546A) dated not more than two years prior to the date of your application and some towing practice, the California DMV offers instructional permits.

Upon receiving an instructional permit you will be able to drive with a person holding the same class of license for which you will be applying, as long as the license holder meets the age requirements.

A commercial driver license is a license issued in accordance with Federal Regulations that allows an individual to operate a commercial vehicle.

•Submit a Physician’s Health Report (DL 546A) dated not more than two years prior to the date of your application.

You must be at least 21 years old to drive a commercial vehicle across state lines (interstate commerce) or to transport passengers or hazardous materials or wastes (HAZMAT) (intrastate or interstate commerce). You may drive for hire within California if you are 18 years of age or older and do not engage in interstate commerce activities. If you are 16 years of age but less than 18 years of age, you may not drive for hire and you may not drive outside of California. (VC §12515) (VC §12516)

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like others i was driving all kinds of things at 15 but that was different back then..


i dont think its a good idea for a 15 1/2 yo to drive with any type of trailer.. maybe call your insurance company an see what they say.. will they cover an damanage if there was a accident..????
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(Still less stressed than when I was working drivers training with an 18 year olds (who had only driven a civic) and driving ambulance code 3 for the first time in LA.)
been there man!! I had a partner who not only was 18, and only drove a civic, he hadn't driven a car for over a year before he got the job and didn't OWN a car!! OMG SOOO SCARY!!!!!!

-ne ways....I see no problem with it! Especially since the environment you describe sounds like a good place for a young driver to learn to tow IMHO.

I keep waiting for my stepdad to teach me how to tow...he says I gotta buy my own truck and trailer before he will.....
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