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View Poll Results: Is it legal to backpack with my rifle?
Legal - no problem. 6 15.00%
Legal but you'll probably get hassled. 14 35.00%
Not legal. 4 10.00%
Pack 25 lbs of bacon instead of the dumbell. 16 40.00%
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Old 07-18-2019, 9:59 AM
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Question Rifle open carry for hiking - Legal?

I have a very strenuous hunt coming up in October which will seriously mean packing in and out ten miles each way daily. I'd like to get my gear in order and strap my rifle on my pack etc.... figure out the best rig for that level of a hike and drop a 25 lb dumbell in my pack as well. My idea is to start hiking the fire roads and trails around Big Bear Lake a few miles each day to work up to it.

Is it legal to carry my rifle open like that in the county areas? I could of course remove the bolt so that it's essentially not a firearm.
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:04 AM
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Why not just stick with weight in pack, like extra water, & some rocks ?

You know those libs are gonna freak out
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:14 AM
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My opinion is regardless of what "the law" says (which anymore is each passing whim of electeds and our moronic public in this state), you will definitely get hassled at best, arrested / SWATted at worst; "man with a gun! OMG!"

If you are dead set on taking a rifle with you (and I don't think it's a bad idea - I think anyone who ventures into the wilderness poorly armed deserves whatever bad might happen to them); look at Eberlestock packs.

As for the dumbbell; why? To increase weight needlessly & "train" yourself?

Honestly I'd rather just pack ~25lbs of useful but unnecessary stuff.

Or I'd get a plate carrier / weighted training vest, and get either weights for it, or actual armor.

In today's world, I think EVERYONE should own a good plate carrier + Level III+ or IV plates....seriously.

There's your extra weight, in a useful format.

JMO, I think that no matter how you'd pack it, the dumbbell or similar dead weight would just throw off your balance, center of gravity, and be a big, big nuisance overall.

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Old 07-18-2019, 10:18 AM
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If you have a valid hunting license, and are going to hike in areas where it is not prohibited to hunt, why don't you go "varmint" hunting aka hiking with your rifle? You don't need to actually shoot anything, but if questioned, can easily explain what you are doing - hiking to a spot to varmint hunt. Nobody should hassle you with a rifle, especially if you wear your blaze orange.

I've been coyote hunting up in big bear many times. No big deal.
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My opinion is regardless of what "the law" says (which anymore is each passing whim of electeds and our moronic public in this state), you will definitely get hassled at best, arrested / SWATted at worst; "man with a gun! OMG!"

If you are dead set on taking a rifle with you (and I don't think it's a bad idea - I think anyone who ventures into the wilderness poorly armed deserves whatever bad might happen to them); look at Eberlestock packs.

As for the dumbbell; why? To increase weight needlessly & "train" yourself?

Honestly I'd rather just pack ~25lbs of useful but unnecessary stuff.

Or I'd get a plate carrier / weighted training vest, and get either weights for it, or actual armor.

In today's world, I think EVERYONE should own a good plate carrier + Level III+ or IV plates....seriously.

There's your extra weight, in a useful format.

JMO, I think that no matter how you'd pack it, the dumbbell or similar dead weight would just throw off your balance, center of gravity, and be a big, big nuisance overall.

Good luck.
Carrying a rifle is different, though, as the weight is on one side of your body. You start off carrying it on one shoulder, then the other one. A few miles more, and you are carrying in first in one hand, then the other. Pretty soon you are trying any other position you can come up with to alleviate the pain. If you haven't hiked long distances carrying a rifle, it can take some getting used to and it's a good idea to train with it first.
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Simply removing the bolt will not cause a firearm to no longer be considered a firearm.

It is not legal to open carry an unloaded long gun in any public place and on any street/road in prohibited areas (no firearm, no shooting, etc) of unincorporated territory. [PC 26400(a)(2)]

Since you are no actively hunting and/or are not in an active hunting season, the "hunting" exemption, to CA unloaded long gun open carry laws, would not apply to your scenario. [PC 26405(j)]

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You will need to be in an area where it is legal to discharge firearms and you will need to stay off the fire roads.
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You will need to have a valid hunting license and be actively hunting game that is in season and stay off the fire roads.
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I have a very strenuous hunt coming up in October which will seriously mean packing in and out ten miles each way daily. I'd like to get my gear in order and strap my rifle on my pack etc.... figure out the best rig for that level of a hike and drop a 25 lb dumbell in my pack as well. My idea is to start hiking the fire roads and trails around Big Bear Lake a few miles each day to work up to it.

Is it legal to carry my rifle open like that in the county areas? I could of course remove the bolt so that it's essentially not a firearm.
Removing the bolt does not make it 'not a firearm', so you have to look into whether that area allows open carry.

See the long thread in the Camping and Outdoors forum, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=186457

And I agree with 'skip the 25-lb weight'; way too dense and awkward a shape. Pick some other stuff to make up the mass for training. Maybe 20 or so half-liter water bottles.
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legal in designated areas where discharging a firearm is legal (public range)

you will need to check with the local DFG / game warden

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Bags of rice are handy for weighting a backpack for training.

Cheap, soft on the edges, and you know how much they weigh. You can get different sizes.
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Okay thanks guys. It's pretty remote in the area behind where I live (Fawnskin) and most likely I'd only run into jeeps and enduros who are for the most part not liberals... but I'm not looking to break any laws.

The idea of carrying the rifle on practice hikes is just to know the best way to rig it for long distances. We can do anything for a mile or two right? But I've been warned ahead of time by the other two guys I am going with to figure things out now and not then.

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Bags of rice are handy for weighting a backpack for training.

Cheap, soft on the edges, and you know how much they weigh. You can get different sizes.
Great idea, thank you.

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Why not just stick with weight in pack, like extra water, & some rocks ?

You know those libs are gonna freak out
Yeah I'll weight the pack, but I want to rig the rifle... I don't want to hike 20 miles hanging on the the sling.

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And I agree with 'skip the 25-lb weight'; way too dense and awkward a shape. Pick some other stuff to make up the mass for training. Maybe 20 or so half-liter water bottles.
Well I'd wrap it in a blanket or something, not just drop it in the main compartment.
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get pig tag and say you are hunting hogs
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I have no personal experience with this pack set up, but I think it would work to keep the butt hurt down with anyone you might run into on the trail.

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^^^ I think this looks a little more in line with what I would want for this mission, but the butthurt would still be in place!

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I think it is the same pack with the "butt" cover option.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/26...ith-butt-cover
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Get a pig tag. In season year round.
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I think it is the same pack with the "butt" cover option.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/26...ith-butt-cover
I think yours has more storage space.

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Get a pig tag. In season year round.
I think the problem as mentioned, I would still have to be in a legal hunting area.
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I needed to do something similar for an elephant hunt where I would be expected to hike 10 miles a day during the hunt.

Bought a cheap stock (http://www.rifle-stocks.com/bargain_list.htm) like these for about $80. Affixed an iron rod to bring the weight up to about 9 lbs or so and used it. Jury rigged the sling with zip ties.

It worked well enough for me to train with it.
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I needed to do something similar for an elephant hunt where I would be expected to hike 10 miles a day during the hunt.

Bought a cheap stock (http://www.rifle-stocks.com/bargain_list.htm) like these for about $80. Affixed an iron rod to bring the weight up to about 9 lbs or so and used it. Jury rigged the sling with zip ties.

It worked well enough for me to train with it.
That's a good idea. Wanna bet I still get proned out on the trail by some exuberant BLM ranger? I can hear it now - "do you think that's a good idea walking around with something that looks like a gun?" I guess if I paint the "barrel" orange it would probably help.

I can't wait to leave this mess behind... but another year and at least two hunts in the same area in that time frame (coues and javalina) so I better start getting my gear dialed in.
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Bring a coyote call and some binocs along with your rifle
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I pack hunted for years using a Remington Model 8 that broke down and fit inside my pack. That was the easy part and didn’t require any real thought or training. The hard part is field dressing and packing out whatever you shoot. Even dressed and quartered, hauling out a deer is difficult, especially since you are doing so after a long day. So, after a long practice hike, find a log or some other heavy, bulky unbalanced object, strap it to your pack and walk another 10 miles.
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Yeah the dumbbell is a bad idea. If your just trying to add weight for training the best bet is to carry extra water. That way you don't have to worry about running out. Also, when your halfway up the mountain and realize this sucks and you have too much weight you can just dump the water if you want/need to. If you really want to train get up at altitude, go hike San Jacinto or Gorgonio. If you can do Gorgonio in a day your should be gtg for your trip
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Like others have said skip the dumbell. You want your pack to be similar in weight as well as in bulk that you will be hunting with. So what ever it takes and having more water than you will drink is always good.
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You know those libs are gonna freak out
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A few years ago some kid was killed by cops in Santa Rosa for walking down the road with a rifle.

I wouldn't do that here.
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In a different time you would have been required to carry a rifle and down right harassed that you didn't.
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A few years ago some kid was killed by cops in Santa Rosa for walking down the road with a rifle.

I wouldn't do that here.
Latino kid with an AK in a gang-drug infested area. On top of that was warned not to by the neighbors. When the cops came by the kid pointed the TOY AK which was identical to actual AK. The cops unloaded on him. Not a bright kid.
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The poll isn’t going to help your decision, and it’s foolish to base your actions on the results!

Read the relevant sections of penal code and know for yourself what is legal.

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I needed to do something similar for an elephant hunt where I would be expected to hike 10 miles a day during the hunt.

Bought a cheap stock (http://www.rifle-stocks.com/bargain_list.htm) like these for about $80. Affixed an iron rod to bring the weight up to about 9 lbs or so and used it. Jury rigged the sling with zip ties.

It worked well enough for me to train with it.
How did the hunt go?
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I could of course remove the bolt so that it's essentially not a firearm.
That is legally not helpful, though a cop or ranger might appreciate it.

Get a hunting license instead.
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How did the hunt go?
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I'm curious, what is the point of killing an elephant?
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A rifle, bolt in or out, is going to cause problems. I used a Blue Gun when I was training.

FYI I carried a 13lbs rifle for many miles in a Kifaru gun bearer attachment, it worked pretty well. But for 10 miles or under I'd just sling it.
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Hey Brother, I got no help at all other then to say good luck on your hunt.

Good luck and please let me know how it goes.
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I'm curious, what is the point of killing an elephant?
To cut off the tail?
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I'm curious, what is the point of killing an elephant?
I'm down for hunting, but shooting an elephant and other majestic animals is a no go for me and I really don't think people should do it.
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Dangerous game. Killing something which could easily kill you.
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Dangerous game. Killing something which could easily kill you.
Not dangerous when you shoot it hundreds of yards away under cover. Plus that elephant seems to be on the smaller side.
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This may be worth the $$ to avoid hassles and panic.
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