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Any welders in so cal that specialize in small jobs? Would love to do it myself but these machines are like $300.
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Harbor freight. You can get a welder for less than $100.
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Harbor freight. You can get a welder for less than $100.
For hobby welding a few times a year, these things can’t be beat
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Harbor freight. You can get a welder for less than $100.
what! no way i would love that. i was scoping some out just for kicks at HD and saw $300 plus. I feel like this would be a cool new skill to have. Thanks man ill look more into it. Can i ask what separates this $100 unit to the bigger ones? like what limitations does this have that makes it so much more affordable
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Look on craigslist for an old Lincoln tombstone, they last forever and will weld anything you need
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is that the $100 one you mentioned? Just looking to put together shooting targets
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I hve an old arc weldr that works fine if you have 220volts 45 bucks. Now going to Randall.

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Just a public service announcement: Protect not only your eyes from the light, but also any exposed skin, i.e. do not wear short sleeves when welding.
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sorry 220 45?
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would this be good enough to put the dueling tree kit together?

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Just a public service announcement: Protect not only your eyes from the light, but also any exposed skin, i.e. do not wear short sleeves when welding.
haha yea ill pick up the safety gear from HF. I take risk in shorts and sandals while casting with no face gear but ive seen how crazy dangerous welding can be.
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what! no way i would love that. i was scoping some out just for kicks at HD and saw $300 plus. I feel like this would be a cool new skill to have. Thanks man ill look more into it. Can i ask what separates this $100 unit to the bigger ones? like what limitations does this have that makes it so much more affordable
Quality and features.
More expensive machines are generally easier to make better welds with.

My main welder cost $2800 plus another $500 in cables, regulator, torch and pedal.
My secondary welder is a $5000 welder that I bought used for $1000 and then bought another $1500 worth of accessories for $700.
Then I have a little $1000 welder that I got used for $500.
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I need it for mexico house!
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haha yea ill pick up the safety gear from HF. I take risk in shorts and sandals while casting with no face gear but ive seen how crazy dangerous welding can be.

Take a welding course at a community college and build it there with quality welding equipment.
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Or go to a builderspace with machines and someone that will teach you.
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Or go to a builderspace with machines and someone that will teach you.
Whats a builderspace? is it like one of those open garages you buy a time slot in and you have access to their tools? I know ive seen that somewhere for vehicles.

I'm watching youtube videos and a job like this seems pretty easy you really cant **** it up stick welding. Might pull the trigger on that $100 unit afterall, a local guy quoted me $45 to attach the cylinders. I figure investing in this small unit i can possibly make other shooting frames in the future.
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Whats a builderspace?
Also called a makerspace.

https://lamakerspace.org/
www.hexlabmakerspace.com
http://www.ocmakerspace.org/
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Whats a builderspace? is it like one of those open garages you buy a time slot in and you have access to their tools? I know ive seen that somewhere for vehicles.

I'm watching youtube videos and a job like this seems pretty easy you really cant **** it up stick welding. Might pull the trigger on that $100 unit afterall, a local guy quoted me $45 to attach the cylinders. I figure investing in this small unit i can possibly make other shooting frames in the future.
What cylinders? Stick welders

"Don't Need No Steeenk'n Cylinders"

Neither do "Flux Core" wire fed machines.

Do you have all the other equip-machines to do the butt load of parts fabrication? Before you weld, ya gotsta, figger, measure, cut, drill, grind etc. Not to mention a colorful vocabulary for all the cussing required.

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What cylinders? Stick welders

"Don't Need No Steeenk'n Cylinders"

Neither do "Flux Core" wire fed machines.

Do you have all the other equip-machines to do the butt load of parts fabrication? Before you weld, ya gotsta, figger, measure, cut, drill, grind etc. Not to mention a colorful vocabulary for all the cussing required.
I just googled makerspace and my local community college has one open for all with welders, grinders, 3D printers etc. I'll check it out next week and see if i can get my project done there. Thanks AR15 with that name drop!
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If you have everything prepped, I'll glue it together for you in Vista.
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Same offer in 91750, if you have it all cut and prepped and I stick it together for you.
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Same offer in 91750, if you have it all cut and prepped and I stick it together for you.
Thanks guys, this will definitely hit you up on this depending when i receive the kit and gather the materials. The makerspace at mt sac closes for summer next week so if i dont get it in by then i can drop by pomona for a visit. Would you guys recommend salvaged steel from a yard for the frame or pick up everything from HD?

As for the kit i went with the $60 set on ebay 6" Diameter plates 3/8" thickness
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I went with a 2" angle 6' long 1/4" thick, I don't think they have that at HD.
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The makerspace at mt sac closes for summer next week so if i dont get it in by then i can drop by pomona for a visit. Would you guys recommend salvaged steel from a yard for the frame or pick up everything from HD?
Rusty scrap is rarely worth the work it takes to prep it for welding/use.
Home depot is very limited in what they carry and only have pretty thin stuff that a homeowner might want.

Go to a real steel yard like Pattons in Ontario if you are near Pomona.
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Home depot is very limited in what they carry and only have pretty thin stuff that a homeowner might want.

Go to a real steel yard like Pattons in Ontario if you are near Pomona.
yeah i read the recommended thickness was .25" and HD only has 1/8". Ill try the yards next. thanks for those recommendations.
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I went with a 2" angle 6' long 1/4" thick, I don't think they have that at HD.
what size plate did you go? im reading some guys saying 3/8" thick plate is great but sometimes 9mm cant push it over. Also the 4" diameter plates are perfect at 10yds because 6" is too easy. I kinda thought about that and had to agree.
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Mine are 6" ar500. A good hit by 9mm has no problem swinging them, you can also shoot it with a rifle and not damage the plates. If 6" at 10 yards is too easy for you, get farther away.
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Mine are 6" ar500. A good hit by 9mm has no problem swinging them, you can also shoot it with a rifle and not damage the plates. If 6" at 10 yards is too easy for you, get farther away.
These are the 3/8" plates right? i read with AR you want to keep them at 100yds, and you're still hitting them at 10 with no dents? How heavy are your 9mm?
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These are the 3/8" plates right? i read with AR you want to keep them at 100yds, and you're still hitting them at 10 with no dents? How heavy are your 9mm?
100yds is the minimum for high velocity RIFLE cartridges.
If you stay under 1500fps, you can use them as close as 10yds.
Just make sure your targets have some downward angle to keep the ricochets from coming straight back at you.
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The plates I use are 3/8" thick, any 9mm will swing them, DON'T shoot them close up with rifle calibers. My angle iron upright is leaning towards the shooter so to minimize back splash.
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So.... I feel like returning this welding gear because im just not cut out for it lol my experience was just horrible. Power strip kept getting cut, had to reset it if the electrode got too hot. Had to keep the power under 50% otherwise power would shut off. Used up almost an entire box of electrode sticks and as you can see i have two shafts loose or came off. Also I messed up on the fittings, went to pattons and i dont think these square tubes will be any good as a base, also the 1ft square tube i was planning on using as a entry for the 5ft angle bar is too tight for the bar to enter.

Angle bar's are 1.5"x1.5" .25" thick
Square tubes 2x2" .25" thick

Planned to use two 3ft angles as base legs, two 2" square tubes to be welded over the legs to connect them.


Mwr you say you're in pomona? I'll take you up on that offer for help when ever you have spare time.
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Don't return it. Welding is hard. Keep at it and you'll get to be as good as a farm-quality welder.

I took an entire community college class on welding when I was a university student, and I learned real fast I was really good at punching holes in steel I was supposed to be sticking together. To start from scratch with no instruction is a huge hurdle to jump. If you can't take a 1-day-a-week night class (3 hours) at a community college for 10 weeks, just hop on youtube and watch as many instructional videos as you can. It's not the same, but it helps.

Practice by filling a 2"x2" section of angle iron with weld (tack it on a base so it sits like a "V". You'll burn a box or two of rod, but it will help you figure out your machine and settings, and get good practice time in.

It's a huge number of balls you are juggling simultaneously to control that weld pool.
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So.... I feel like returning this welding gear because im just not cut out for it lol my experience was just horrible. Power strip kept getting cut, had to reset it if the electrode got too hot. Had to keep the power under 50% otherwise power would shut off. Used up almost an entire box of electrode sticks and as you can see i have two shafts loose or came off. Also I messed up on the fittings, went to pattons and i dont think these square tubes will be any good as a base, also the 1ft square tube i was planning on using as a entry for the 5ft angle bar is too tight for the bar to enter.

Angle bar's are 1.5"x1.5" .25" thick
Square tubes 2x2" .25" thick

Planned to use two 3ft angles as base legs, two 2" square tubes to be welded over the legs to connect them.


Mwr you say you're in pomona? I'll take you up on that offer for help when ever you have spare time.
Life lesson.
It’s not as easy as it looks.
Always start a new skill with practice so you do it jump in and ruin good materials while learning.
As for your power problems, you do not seem to have enough power.
A welder should not be plugged into a power strip or an extension cord.
It should be used directly from an outlet that is very near your circuit breaker panel.
Move close to your panel and see if it works better.
What specific welder did you get?
Some are 110/220. It will only go to about half power on 110v supply.
You need to plug it into a 220 outlet to get full power.
If you want to come to my shop, I can give you a 5 minute lesson and show you how real welders are supposed to run.

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I'm watching youtube videos and a job like this seems pretty easy you really cant **** it up stick welding.
As a professional welder, you have no idea how much will power it took to just let this go and let you learn the hard way. Mission Accomplished.
To show I'm not a total dick, here is a primer I wrote on welding at another forum, read and learn.http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=23778

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90247 will weld it if everything is prepped and ready to weld.
Do you mean Mwr? I mean everything is cut but I think I chose the wrong material for my base
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:43 AM
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I'm watching youtube videos and a job like this seems pretty easy you really cant **** it up stick welding.
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As a professional welder, you have no idea how much will power it took to just let this go and let you learn the hard way.
Hold my beer and watch this.

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