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Old 07-21-2019, 8:51 AM
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Default I got mine! Ruger PCC .40S&W!

I just got my Ruger PCC in .40 S&W into DROS Friday.

I have been waiting for this gun since they came out in 9MM a year ago, and asked the Factory Rep for it directly at SHOT a year ago and then again this year. All my Glocks are .40 S&W or .45 ACP because I believe that only proper handgun calibers start with a 4 ! IE: I don't do 9MM anything!

My wish finally came true! and I'll be posting about it as soon as I get in it hand.

Already changed the Mag Well to the preferred Glock configuration, very easy to do. Will swap the Bolt Handle to the left upon Receipt. It wouldn't fit back in the box with the handle mounted on the Left side.

The gun will get a Bushnell TRS-25 installed as soon as I get it. and I have a Streamlight TLR-3 Light for it as well, used as needed. It will also get a side mounted Sling as soon as I can figure out a sanitary way to mount it.

This gun will be my dedicated 3 gun and PCC gun for local comps. It will also go to Front Sight for a Practical Rifle Class as soon as it cools down over there. The Farthest Distance they shoot in the Rifle Class now is 100 yards which this gun will do easily. I remember when it was 400!

Here's a pic of the gun,, note how it looks just like all the others? Except there is .40 S&W under the rear sight on the left side instead of 9MM.

Working on getting one of the new Fore Ends.

Lots more to come on this.

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Why not get the kind with the mlok slots on the forend? Especially if you were planning on spending extra for a new forend anyway.
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Why not get the kind with the mlok slots on the forend? Especially if you were planning on spending extra for a new forend anyway.
It doesn’t look like they’ve released that combination yet:
https://www.ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html
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The 9mm version comes with a photo-resizer .....
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Hoping they come out with a 10mm version now.
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Hoping they come out with a 10mm version now.

Me too !
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It doesn’t look like they’ve released that combination yet:
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https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com...p/mi-crpc9.htm

Don't know about .40 PCC fit...
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They haven't released that combo yet. In fact they haven't really released many of these .40's yet.

Don't count on the 10 MM version any time soon. It would require a different mag well and they had enough problems getting the .40 to run right. 10 MM is a whole nother ball game as is the .45 ACP . Refer to Glock Mags and Frame sizes. IE: 17/22,,, then 20/21 with bigger mags and a larger frame and grip.

The bolt thrust on a blowback action with those two rounds is substantially more than either the 9MM or .40. It would require a complete redesign of the gun.

The main idea behind this gun is PCC Sport Shoots,,, not Deer Hunting.

My point is don't hold your breathe.

I do want the new fore end and will get one as soon as they become available.

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Any knows if .40 PCC uses identical or heavier tungsten weight in the bolt as 9mm PCC?
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Nice, Randy! What's the window sticker on one of these thangs?
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Price is the same as the 9MM versions.

The bolt is supposed to be different due to the increased bolt thrust.

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Congrats! There's nothing like that new gun feeling.
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Don't count on the 10 MM version any time soon. It would require a different mag well and they had enough problems getting the .40 to run right. 10 MM is a whole nother ball game as is the .45 ACP . Refer to Glock Mags and Frame sizes. IE: 17/22,,, then 20/21 with bigger mags and a larger frame and grip.

The bolt thrust on a blowback action with those two rounds is substantially more than either the 9MM or .40. It would require a complete redesign of the gun.
I think if the 10mm has any chance, it’ll be in a reincarnated 99/44 Deerfield/Deer Stalker.
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They haven't released that combo yet. In fact they haven't really released many of these .40's yet.

I do want the new fore end and will get one as soon as they become available.

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Congrats!

Yeah, I thought that was odd... maybe they are seeing how the .40 will sell, but still weird.

According to my email back from a Ruger support person, they decided to go ahead and sell the free-float guard separately on SHOPRUGER.COM but estimated to be available a few weeks back. I kept checking but haven't seen it yet.

I had the original PMM, and was tired of waiting so when the PMM with top cover went PMM special I got that one.
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Congrats!! I love my 9mm, I'm sure I would a 40 too!!
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I want it in 45 acp.


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The 9mm version comes with a photo-resizer .....
Yeah, his photo is actually bigger than the rifle itself...

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They haven't released that combo yet. In fact they haven't really released many of these .40's yet.

Don't count on the 10 MM version any time soon. It would require a different mag well and they had enough problems getting the .40 to run right. 10 MM is a whole nother ball game as is the .45 ACP . Refer to Glock Mags and Frame sizes. IE: 17/22,,, then 20/21 with bigger mags and a larger frame and grip.

The bolt thrust on a blowback action with those two rounds is substantially more than either the 9MM or .40. It would require a complete redesign of the gun.

The main idea behind this gun is PCC Sport Shoots,,, not Deer Hunting.

My point is don't hold your breathe.

I do want the new fore end and will get one as soon as they become available.

Randy
I know it wont be soon, but sure am hoping for a .45 acp version, that just seems like such a *****in rifle! I'll just wait patiently for it. As well as the factory Ruger mlok foregrip since that new one came out 2 months after I bought mine.
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I'm in line for that, too. G21 mags!
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Guys the 10MM and .45 ACP are probably not going to happen any time soon.

It will require a complete redesign of the gun. I know lots of people want these calibers, myself included, however the guns action is just not suited to the much higher bolt thrust from the larger calibers.

I have a G21 and plenty of magazines and I reload .45 ACP alot and it would be great. However I also have a G23 and G35 and lots more mags for those guns including some long ones. So the fact that they chose to make the gun in .40 S&W which uses he same size mags as the existing 9MM model and release it in that configuration, which took a year and a half, is a step in the right direction.

When I talked to the Factory Rep at SHOT I figured all that was needed was a different barrel and bolt face. This turned out to not be the case and it took over a year to sort out the problems with the Bolt thrust from the .40 S&W. The 10 MM has about 25% more bolt thrust and the .45 ACP is about that much as well. In addition the Mag Well has to change to accommodate the larger mags and that means the stock has to be changed as well.

My point here is there is a tremendous amount of redesign and retooling, engineering and testing that would need to be done and would create an entirely different gun.

How many 10MM AR's do you see? There are few .45 ACP AR's, but the vast majority of them are 9MM simply because for the intended uses of the guns 9MM is the most popular by far.

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WRB: its all good, I'm in no hurry for Ruger to make a .45. I'm just hoping and doing a "wait and see" for now. My 9mm carbine needs are covered in the meantime with an mp5 clone. If Ruger officially comes out with a not gonna happen in .45 then I may consider another 9.
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I doubt they will even start on anything like a .45 unless .40 sales go through the roof, and I think it will be a flop. Sorry, .40 fans, it's a dead cartridge. The only reason it was ever born is the FBI decided to use a weak 10mm, and now they're back to 9mm.
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If someone in the future makes a 357sig barrel for this rifle it would be real interesting. The additional velocity from a longer barrel could increase velocity to close to 1700 or 1800 fps with 125 grain bullets. This would make it a real good man stopper. I think that some Underwood 115 grain extreme penetrators velocity could be between 1800 and 1900 fps. That is getting close to 7.62x39 velocity. This would be devastating ammo. A 9mm barrel could be rechambered to 357 sig and put on a 40s&w.

In a few months this could be a new project for me.
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Still have one of my pc4 carbine from the 90s when Fresno pd had em.
The other was plain Jane with target sights so I got rid of it. These carbiness are cool.
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If someone in the future makes a 357sig barrel for this rifle it would be real interesting. The additional velocity from a longer barrel could increase velocity to close to 1700 or 1800 fps with 125 grain bullets. This would make it a real good man stopper. I think that some Underwood 115 grain extreme penetrators velocity could be between 1800 and 1900 fps. That is getting close to 7.62x39 velocity. This would be devastating ammo. A 9mm barrel could be rechambered to 357 sig and put on a 40s&w.

In a few months this could be a new project for me.



Interesting. I bet there will be one in the near future.


If they come out with a 10 mm I am in.
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I doubt they will even start on anything like a .45 unless .40 sales go through the roof, and I think it will be a flop. Sorry, .40 fans, it's a dead cartridge. The only reason it was ever born is the FBI decided to use a weak 10mm, and now they're back to 9mm.
There are still a lot of 40sw on patrol though, a lot of G22 out there in duty holsters. Ruger may find some love in the PD for these 40 carbines. Not sure if it will be enough to sway them into making a 45acp or Lord help us, a 10mm!
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There are still a lot of 40sw on patrol though, a lot of G22 out there in duty holsters. Ruger may find some love in the PD for these 40 carbines. Not sure if it will be enough to sway them into making a 45acp or Lord help us, a 10mm!
Could be. If a PD issues Glocks it could be a good addition to a squad car trunk. I think most cops work alone and the PD would want them to have a shotgun for a long gun, but if any PD's ride 2 to a car it would be cheap enough to add so that both cops would have a long gun.

Except for training, I never see 2 cops to a car. Maybe it only happens on tv?
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I already swapped the mag well out and will swap the bolt handle immediately also mounting the TRS-25 and sighting in for my next 3 gun shoot on Sunday 8/4.

Got all my mags sorted out and will come out of the box hard. It will be G35 PCC and A5 this time around. (I switch out guns every time to keep current with a variety of Weapons Systems.) next time it will be M500, Kel-Tec SU16 and G23

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A 10mm or 45ACP would be a different gun. Similar, but large frame instead of small. Once you go to the large frame then 10mm and 45ACP should both be doable and an action that can handle 10mm pressure should also be able to handle 45Super and now you're talking.
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As of a few months ago, Front Sight requires a 'Rifle Caliber' for the Practical Rifle course. Also, although the skills test only goes out to 100, you do shoot out to 200 during the class. Depending on the range assignment and range master, you might even do a little bit of shooting at 300 and 400.
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(I switch out guns every time to keep current with a variety of Weapons Systems.) next time it will be M500, Kel-Tec SU16 and G23

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Love it!!! it is one of my favorites and if I had to run it would be the one I took with me. Full AR Firepower and mags, light weight 6lbs with 2 loaded mags in the butt ,and it folds in half and still has great accuracy.

Mine is a SU16 CA which IMHO is the most desirable Model.

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True... 4.7 pounds before you add stuff is nice. Does your hand guard add weight or remove weight?

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Guys the 10MM and .45 ACP are probably not going to happen any time soon.

It will require a complete redesign of the gun. I know lots of people want these calibers, myself included, however the guns action is just not suited to the much higher bolt thrust from the larger calibers.

I have a G21 and plenty of magazines and I reload .45 ACP alot and it would be great. However I also have a G23 and G35 and lots more mags for those guns including some long ones. So the fact that they chose to make the gun in .40 S&W which uses he same size mags as the existing 9MM model and release it in that configuration, which took a year and a half, is a step in the right direction.

When I talked to the Factory Rep at SHOT I figured all that was needed was a different barrel and bolt face. This turned out to not be the case and it took over a year to sort out the problems with the Bolt thrust from the .40 S&W. The 10 MM has about 25% more bolt thrust and the .45 ACP is about that much as well. In addition the Mag Well has to change to accommodate the larger mags and that means the stock has to be changed as well.

My point here is there is a tremendous amount of redesign and retooling, engineering and testing that would need to be done and would create an entirely different gun.

How many 10MM AR's do you see? There are few .45 ACP AR's, but the vast majority of them are 9MM simply because for the intended uses of the guns 9MM is the most popular by far.

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I agree, chances of getting a PC Carbine to work with the big boy calibers are probably slim... but they already have years of engineering experience making .44 Magnum carbines (since what, the 60’s?) and full patents on the systems - all they need to do is dust off the old drawings, make a plastic stock with a Glock sized hole in the bottom - and you have your boomstick in the best millimeter!
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Old 07-25-2019, 12:41 PM
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I honestly think it would be more comfortable to fire a 12g slug than a PCC in .44Mag. :-)
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I honestly think it would be more comfortable to fire a 12g slug than a PCC in .44Mag. :-)
Naw, the .44 out of a rifle is perfect, it lets you know you’re doing some real work but doesn’t punish you for it. Those .44 slugs whistle as they go down range and have plenty of thump when they arrive.

I’ve had a Winchester 16” 1894 Trapper and I have a Marlin 20” 1894 now. I’ve shot a Ruger 44 Carbine, 96/44 and a 77/44 and all of them are about the same (Carbine buttplate on the 96/44 left something to be desired).
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I agree, chances of getting a PC Carbine to work with the big boy calibers are probably slim... but they already have years of engineering experience making .44 Magnum carbines (since what, the 60’s?) and full patents on the systems - all they need to do is dust off the old drawings, make a plastic stock with a Glock sized hole in the bottom - and you have your boomstick in the best millimeter!
Hah, yeah. .44 mag out of a 16"+ barrel is real power. Deer rifle power... what does that equate to? Real-world 30/30 energy or something?

There were semi-auto .44 mags that were reliable? I know what the rumors are, but things change fast when Ruger gets a wiff of money stacked up. I feel like there's a good chance there's a team on it (10mm). Find a way, Ruger.
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