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Old 07-19-2019, 11:23 PM
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Don't safes have a universal combo for the eyes of locksmiths only?
Stick with it and get the combo.
Depends on age and manufacturer. Liberty safe will most likely not give you the information due to the exposure of potentially aiding a criminal act. Not saying that's what is happening here. but you have to see it from their point of view. I strongly recommend not going to just a locksmith but one that deals with safe opening. It's a skill not many know how to do without destructive entry. Also, I do NOT recommend drilling into the safe yourself. If you don't have the schematics of the door like locksmiths have, you can potentially ruin the latch components. If I remember correctly, older model Liberty safes have their serial number etched or riveted to the bottom.
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Good luck OP, hope you score big and post on here that they were empty!
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I called Liberty already and they were of no help lol. I'm going to try and call again and hope I get someone else to help me out.

The person I spoke with earlier said I would have to prove I'm not someone who stole the safe and wants it open. I mentioned I can provide final escrow documents, operating agreement, addendum from the seller releasing all personal items, etc.... he then said he would need proof that the previous homeowner is in fact the owner of the safe lol. TF? I don't blame them I guess.
My father in law went through the same thing. He went to liberty in West Sac with docs and they helped him out. They get a ton of calls from crooks that never follow through as you can imagine. Think of it as a good thing.
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I believe they sent a locksmith that works for liberty, it took a bit but it worked out. I think it cost him around 500.00 dollars. That was about 15 years ago
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There is a member who is a locksmith here on calguns. I forget his name but he regulary posts about his work.

Someone will chime in with his name soon.
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Old 07-20-2019, 6:59 AM
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You actually might get better exposure if you crosspost this in OT. Alot more traffic there compared to GG.
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All those documents are great and all but they don't actually prove the safe actually belongs to you or the previous owner. If that's all it takes to get the combo to one of their safes then they can kiss their business goodbye. The whole point of a safe is to prevent people who don't know the combo from getting in.

Is it an electronic lock or a mechanical lock?
Yeah. That's basically what they told me. It has a combination dial with key slot in the center. under the dial is the lever. I will upload some pics later.
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You need to fill out this form and copies of all your documents.
Have it Notorized.
https://www.libertysafe.com/combokeyrequest.php

Had to do this for a old Stack on safe I had.
Waited a month for them to process the paperwork.
Called them with the safe in front of me.
Third combo they gave me opened the safe.
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Serial number on inside of door..... Hmmmmmm, how is he gonna get to that?

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I didn't say it was easy Just said it was there.
I suppose I could give him a measurement of where my serial number location is on the door and he could drill a hole to look (minimizing the damage)
But Again they can be opened up without drilling by a quality locksmith or obtaining the factory combo.

Hell you could skip every other number combination and save half the time
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Old 07-20-2019, 10:10 AM
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Yeah. That's basically what they told me. It has a combination dial with key slot in the center. under the dial is the lever. I will upload some pics later.
sounds like S&G thats on my safe



Personally, id try to crack it open myself. The knob of the dial is designed to break off easily if someone tries to pry it, and the bezel is just held in place with a few screws.


if you removed those parts and drilled a small 1/8" or 3/16" hole in the right location through the door and into the aluminum lock housing, you could see the notches in the wheels and just line them up to unlock it. Of course then you could have the hole welded shut, or ignore it because the new bezel would cover the hole when you install a new lock

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What's to say the owner didn't change the combination from the factory setting? You would go through all that back and forth with Liberty to "buy" an "expired" combination.
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Dynamite might be helpful.
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Old 07-20-2019, 1:24 PM
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Is there a GPS tracker on it?
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Here are some pics.(hopefully they load)
You guys are giving some good ideas.



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Use that large fan in the background of pic 1 to blow all that foul air out of the room.....
Liberty safe looks to have a S&G Group II lock.....a decent lock that can be drilled by a competent locksmith and replaced or repaired. Same model that I had opened. The smaller unit looks to be a Costc special of some sort, and still on the wood pallet. If you can move it about easily, it may not have much inside; but still worth opening. That one I'd do myself with a rotary saw, if you have one.
The Caldwell Lead Sled sitting on top of the El-Cheapo may be indicative of something that produces recoil in one of the safes, maybe.
See my previous post about contents, etc.

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Use that large fan in the background of pic 1 to blow all that foul air out of the room.....
Liberty safe looks to have a S&G Group II lock.....a decent lock that can be drilled by a competent locksmith and replaced or repaired. Same model that I had opened. The smaller unit looks to be a Costc special of some sort, and still on the wood pallet. If you can move it about easily, it may not have much inside; but still worth opening. That one I'd do myself with a rotary saw, if you have one.
The Caldwell Lead Sled sitting on top of the El-Cheapo may be indicative of something that produces recoil in one of the safes, maybe.
See my previous post about contents, etc.
If he was on CalGuns it would be a 308
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If he was on CalGuns it would be a 308
True.
I was thinking along the lines of something with .375, .404, .416, .458, .470, .505, etc; and maybe with a roll mark that said Holland & Holland, Merkle, Rigby, Weatherby, Purdy, Mauser, CZ, BRNO, etc. One can only hope.
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Search the house for paperwork on the safes that has the combination in it.
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That Centurion (smaller safe) is lower end, is a very basic notch lock, not a group 2 and that safe does not have relocker. The back of the lock is also exposed. If you can get a borescope cam in there you could see the full notches.

It also has fake notches (1/8 or 1/4 deep). That is to keep people from 'feeling' the real notches while applying pressure to the handle. You can't tell the fake notches from the real notches if you are trying to crack it by feel but you can easily see them from the back.

The large safe looks like an S&G lock - those are a bit tougher. And you have to be wary of a relocker being fired off if you plan to go manhandling the lock or removing the dial.

I would consider laying the safes on their back and going in through the bottom with an angle grinder. The metal is thinnest there. Cut out a very large square. Then after you get the contents out and hopefully get access to the lock backs to get the combos, you could have someone weld the plates back in if you decided to keep and use the safes.

You could also cut out very large squares in the back and do the same thing plus have much better access to get the door panel off and access the back of the locks.
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I pried the smaller one open. This is what was inside.
We looked through the house for papers with combo, or keys but there is just so much junk in here that it is nearly impossible lol.
I'll be meeting a locksmith later today to pop that bigger safe open. He's going to pop that dial off and replace it with a digital. That safe I'm keeping.
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Awesome score man! Can't wait to see what's in the big one!
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Consider replacing it with another dial lock, many folks have had problems with the keypad locks.
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I would consider laying the safes on their back and going in through the bottom with an angle grinder. The metal is thinnest there. Cut out a very large square. Then after you get the contents out and hopefully get access to the lock backs to get the combos, you could have someone weld the plates back in if you decided to keep and use the safes.

You could also cut out very large squares in the back and do the same thing plus have much better access to get the door panel off and access the back of the locks.

Iíve done this twice and it works well. Except I went in the back and chucked an abrasive wheel in a skil saw. Works like a charm. Just cemented that safes only exist to keep honest people honest and you arenít trying to keep Thomas Crown out of your safe. Just the crackheads.



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Not an awesome score not his firearms no finders keepers in ca,The firearms have to go to cops to hold. If no one claims then you can get back. The law is clear on that with found firearms jus like if you bought a safe and it contained firearms. Which is what you did.
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If that was in the cheap safe, I hope you get more from the good one.
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Better to get gold and silver than firearms. Not a controlled item that must be turned in shame cannot keep the firearms without due process..

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You should have taken the advice given previously not to make contents public. You will now have a neverending stream of comments berating you to "do the right thing" whether you intend to or not.
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He owns the property, read the thread. They just haven't been registered in his name yet.
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Not an awesome score not his firearms no finders keepers in ca,The firearms have to go to cops to hold. If no one claims then you can get back. The law is clear on that with found firearms jus like if you bought a safe and it contained firearms. Which is what you did.
Awesome score IF it wasn't documented on the interwebs in CA.
This type of thing is better kept hypothetically spoken of.
So you say you found that picture on the desktop.

I'm sure he bought lock stock and barrel.....
Just more hoops to go through.

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I've been told if I have the combo, they can get in to replace the lock, without the combo , drilling and big bucks
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Not an awesome score not his firearms no finders keepers in ca,The firearms have to go to cops to hold. If no one claims then you can get back. The law is clear on that with found firearms jus like if you bought a safe and it contained firearms. Which is what you did.
^^^^WRONG^^^^ Legal diff between "found" property including firearms. And "Abandoned" property even firearms.

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Better to get gold and silver than firearms. Not a controlled item that must be turned in shame cannot keep the firearms without due process..
^^^NO NEED TO "TURN IN ANYTHING"^^^

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He owns the property, read the thread. They just haven't been registered in his name yet.
^^^YESSIREE^^^

"VOLREG" suffices to meet legal requirements in these circumstances. No need for PoPo, DROS, 10 day wait, or dumb *** LEGR, which is usually a 30+ day wait.

OP's only concern is "Are They Stolen". VOLREG satisfies that contingency. Because if any are, Ca-DOJ will contact him and request the stolen items be surrendered to LE.

Or the extreme off chance that OP is a "prohibited person".
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If you want to see the discussion on the subject of "finding" so called "abandoned" firearms in a real estate transaction see the below thread. The legalities were discussed at length.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ght=found+guns

OP don't be foolish and get yourself jammed up. The only legal option you have is to turn the firearms into the police.

Don't rely on pacrat for legal advice. Real attorneys opined in the above thread related to this issue, and parcat was cautioned due to his abusive language..

So beware of bad legal advice from people who have zero education, training and legal experience (pacrat)...
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