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Old 06-11-2017, 12:15 PM
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Old 06-11-2017, 1:11 PM
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Seriously? They are criminals, that should tell you all you need to know, they could care less about the law.
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Old 06-11-2017, 1:22 PM
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I realize that. I am simply attempting to make a case that these laws don't make sense.
That case can be easily made by looking at every gun-related crime to be prosecuted since gun laws existed.

It doesn't matter... smarter people than us have taken this before the courts.
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Old 06-11-2017, 1:39 PM
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Is your goal a school project, or preparing something for a court challenge?

The difference would be whether I would say "Don't bother"

But yes, by simple virtue of the criminal act, the criminal is not compliant.
I provided video to the local PD of a robbery victim being beaten by a 30rd Glock magazine after it fell from the gun (thank God it was not properly inserted, otherwise the victim would have died when the trigger was pulled with the gun against his head)

Robbery is illegal - Criminals do not comply
Using a gun in a crime is illegal (10 year enhancement!) - Criminals do not comply
Murder is illegal - Criminals do not comply

Criminals do not believe that they will be caught. They are using unregistered/or stolen guns that can't be traced to them except through fingerprints.

Seriously not trying to be a smartass... but it's a no-brainer that gun laws do very little to reduce crime. Chicago and Oakland will show that.
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Old 06-11-2017, 1:52 PM
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Maybe I should be asking this:

Have you ever confiscated a fully CA compliant rifle from a gang member?
yes...
but it was also stolen.
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Old 06-11-2017, 3:32 PM
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I'm not LEO. I just wanted to ask these questions to LEOs that actually witness it first hand.

This mainly focuses on the gangsters/thugs who actively break laws. The career criminals.

How often are criminals compliant with CA gun laws?
How often do their rifles have bullet buttons?
How often do they have magazines that hold over 10 rounds?
Are you serious?

I saw all kinds of guns, both CA compliant and illegal assault weapons, quite frequently.
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Old 06-11-2017, 8:05 PM
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I'm not LEO. I just wanted to ask these questions to LEOs that actually witness it first hand.

This mainly focuses on the gangsters/thugs who actively break laws. The career criminals.

How often are criminals compliant with CA gun laws?
How often do their rifles have bullet buttons?
How often do they have magazines that hold over 10 rounds?
You answered your own question.
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I'm not LEO. I just wanted to ask these questions to LEOs that actually witness it first hand.

This mainly focuses on the gangsters/thugs who actively break laws. The career criminals.

How often are criminals compliant with CA gun laws?
How often do their rifles have bullet buttons?
How often do they have magazines that hold over 10 rounds?
I offer the above quote as proof that there are such things as dumb questions.
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Old 06-12-2017, 8:31 AM
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I've seen both compliant and non compliant. The compliant ones are usually left at home though. Gangsters and "thugs" know better than to use their own guns for crimin'. The compliant ones I've taken were the result of search warrants. Street guns are usually stolen and large majority are handguns because rifles are harder to conceal.
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It's an assured destruction doctrine...if the criminal is at a tactical disadvantage where their non-compliance will lead to their destruction, then they are compliant.

e.g. if they think they can lie and get off, then it is in their interest to be compliant...of feign compliance until they can actively resist/flee.
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Every gang member I have caught with a gun is either stolen, filed off serial number, or it was purchased out of state in multi handgun sale.
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Convicted felons are not required to register their guns. It's a violation of their 5th amendment rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States

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Maybe I should be asking this:

Have you ever confiscated a fully CA compliant rifle from a gang member?
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Old 06-12-2017, 7:24 PM
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Convicted felons are not required to register their guns. It's a violation of their 5th amendment rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States
Yep. Nice liberal interpretation of the 5th amendment. As long as we are protecting the felon's rights, we are doing good for society. The age of the victim criminal is upon us.
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Old 06-12-2017, 7:38 PM
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Criminals are compliant once they have a double-tap in their brain pan. Until then, no.
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Old 06-12-2017, 8:09 PM
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I realize the questions I asked don't make sense. And as some have said are "stupid". That was kind of the point. I'm looking to see how we can allow laws like these to be passed when there are no just reasons to have them.
We have little say.
Legislators pass laws, the governor signs them.
Gun owners are a minority in this state, and the socialists have control.

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And how we go about taking back our rights.
Move to a free state. California is a lost cause and will only get worse with a Democrat supermajority, and "open primaries" guaranteeing fewer and fewer conservative seats.

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Regular people like me are a police officers ally. We don't like bad guys either. We are the ones who will back you up if you're in danger.
Most officers and even many departments understand this.
San Bernardino County Sheriff WANTS citizens to carry and considers them partners.

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Do police departments at all have a political voice when it comes to this type of thing? What would happen if you didn't enforce these outrageous laws? CA politicians couldn't exactly call on the Feds.
Sadly, the political "voice" of police agencies is the left-supporting unions and the top brass in the large agencies like LAPD and LASO.
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Without LEO support, legislators have no power. Following the constitution should be the golden standard. What happens when a PD tells the governor to shove it? I'd like to see that.

I like this guys attitude on the topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWIjUAr92TI
Then they get fired and new people that will do the job get put in their place. A good example is the air traffic controllers during the Reagan presidency. As far as following the Constitution, doesn't that also include article 3?
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Old 06-12-2017, 9:23 PM
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There is one "common sense gun law" that is intended to deter crime. <paraphrased> Use a gun while committing a crime and you're in bigger trouble.
All other gun laws create a crime.

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You first must define criminal.

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Are criminals compliant?

Yeah usuaually when holding them at gun point during a felony T stop.

Then again that is changing more and more with stupid department policy like LAPD life sustaining award or whatever they call it when you don't use force.
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