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Old 04-17-2019, 3:50 PM
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Default PSA: AR Shooters- Avoid Beaumont Indoor Range

I’m not from the area, but was passing through. Met my brother at Beaumont Indoor Shooting Range to sight in a couple rifles. Figured it would be decent since the have a 75’ rifle range. My bro also wanted to try out a couple of my CCW guns.

Anyway, upon check-in, they “must” inspect rifles for compliance (Light bulb number one). My rifles are in FEATURELESS configuration, so no worries there. I also have 30 round mags (not loaded) in the magwells. Owner looks over the rifles, verifies legality of features and says, “Have fun and be safe!”

Head in to the range, load up 5 rounds in to an AR, and sight it in. Done deal! Load up a full 30 rounder and start plinking away. Get through the mag, set the rifle on the bench, turn around and in walks Mr. Owner.

Owner: “How many rounds did you just shoot out of that magazine?!”
Me: “30, sir.”
Owner: “You realize you just manufactured an AW by putting that magazine in your gun?!
Me: “No, sir, I did not. This rifle is featureless, just as you verified upon check-in. I can use any mag I so please in it.”
Owner: “No, that is against the law and is not allowed on my range!”
Me: “It’s not against the law, it is actually 100% legal! But if this is your range policy, by all means I’ll respect it the rest of the time I am here.”

He storms off and walks back in with a binder. Then attempts to prove me wrong with ATF print outs. I again attempt to explain, but it’s going in one ear and out the other. Again, I say, “No problem, sir. Your range, your rules.” Walk back to our lanes and he shut them down. Figures! Pack up, walk out to the store front and he’s on the phone with DOJ asking about legality of featureless and 10+ mags. They of course refuse to answer the question. He again starts to argue with me as I attempt to explain fixed mag vs BBRAW vs Featureless. He couldn’t comprehend how a fixed mag rifle could not accept 10+ yet a standard mag release featureless could. I again explain “evil” features. Then I say, “Look, we can agree to disagree. Your range, your rules.” He says, “I disagree!”

Okay, bud. Let it be known, for all you freedom loving AR shooters, steer clear of Beaumont Indoor Shooting Range.

And I know.. Cool Story Bro... Why would you take a rifle to an indoor range...
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I would have probably left as soon as he wanted to inspect my rifles.
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So let's assume it's illegal even though it's not. Is it the range owner's job to enforce stupid laws? Can he get in trouble if someone decides to shoot a non compliant rifle?
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So let's assume it's illegal even though it's not. Is it the range owner's job to enforce stupid laws? Can he get in trouble if someone decides to shoot a non compliant rifle?
LOL I asked him this and he said, “Sure if a cop were to walk in here, you may only get $100 fine, but they’ll shut my business down and haul me off!” The guy is just a box of rocks...
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LOL I asked him this and he said, “Sure if a cop were to walk in here, you may only get $100 fine, but they’ll shut my business down and haul me off!” The guy is just a box of rocks...
He probably votes democrat and supports "common sense" gun laws yuck.
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Some people are full of fear, which manifests itself in irrational behavior.

You can find a lot of them spread out across the land in California... unfortunately, many of them are gun owners, gun store and range employees and owners who unleash that fear on their own kind.
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Old 04-17-2019, 4:27 PM
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Just another range to add to the list. Bummer. I'm glad I don't go up there. My AK RAW with 30 rounders would probably give him a stroke!
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Mr Beaumont, there, needs a scho0lin' he does.




Be funny to arrange a convene-ing of calgunners there. Say five or six folks with featureless ARs and a bunch of standard-capacity mags (in other bags). All get lanes, then unleash the Cacophony of Freedom. Think he'd tip over?
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That dude is a Stage 5 wannabe. I get wanting to keep your range safe and the need to when the general public comes in, but this dude is the definition of a helicopter RSO. I posted in another thread a while back how he ran in and grabbed my AR out of my hand to inspect it, since he said it must be illegal with how fast he saw I was changing mags-with a Juggernaut fixed mag setup mind you...

Thanks for posting, I was actually thinking of heading back up there to try out a new featureless build with my new freedom mags since the range is about 15mins from me, oh well guess not. Just out of curiosity, did you also mention Judge Benitez & Freedom week at all to him? Serious pet peeve of mine when these guys open a range, but don’t stay up on current gun laws...

What a bummer...the 2 ranges closest to me apparently don’t allow standard cap mags-Beaumont indoor, and Lytle creek, pretty sad.

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Gun Shop Guy and Rangemaster Guy are usually 100% full of BS. During Freedom Week some goober at The Gun Range in Sac told me that selling LCM's was still against the law since the ruling was federal and not state, and he said that if he sold me a magazine in front of an ATF agent, they couldn't arrest me, but if he sold it to me in front of a sheriff's deputy, I would be arrested and charged with a felony.

Good on you OP for the heads up, and for not needlessly escalating the situation.
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That dude is a Stage 5 wannabe. I get wanting to keep your range safe and the need to when the general public comes in, but this dude is the definition of a helicopter RSO. I posted in another thread a while back how he ran in and grabbed my AR out of my hand to inspect it, since he said it must be illegal with how fast he saw I was changing mags-with a Juggernaut fixed mag setup mind you...



Thanks for posting, I was actually thinking of heading back up there to try out a new featureless build with my new freedom mags since the range is about 15mins from me, oh well guess not. Just out of curiosity, did you also mention Judge Benitez & Freedom week at all to him? Serious pet peeve of mine when these guys open a range, but don’t stay up on current gun laws...



What a bummer...the 2 ranges closest to me apparently don’t allow standard cap mags-Beaumont indoor, and Lytle creek, pretty sad.
I'd rather drive an hour to shoot, don't support communist ranges.
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Did you read the rules?: No brass collecting allowed. F that. On that rule alone I would never shoot there.
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what is his motive to enforce the laws?

their range rule

"Please wash hands thoroughly after shooting or handling firearms and ammunition"

WTF is this?

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their range rule

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WTF is this?
It has to do with OSHA regulations about avoiding lead posioning/contamination.
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I wash hands after a session. Dont need a rule for that.
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I have only gone there a few times ,,,,,,

The Guy knows Everything ,,,,,, and won't listen to anything

Because he won't stop talking .........
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Just out of curiosity, did you also mention Judge Benitez & Freedom week at all to him? Serious pet peeve of mine when these guys open a range, but don’t stay up on current gun laws...

What a bummer...the 2 ranges closest to me apparently don’t allow standard cap mags-Beaumont indoor, and Lytle creek, pretty sad.
He was aware of the ruling, but clearly did not understand it, as he stated, “That was the only week you could use a 30 round magazine in a rifle.” I told him several times he had no clue what he was talking about, but he still kept talking out of his arse.
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......And I know.. Cool Story Bro... Why would you take a rifle to an indoor range...

Hahahaha! This was my first thought when I started reading but seems like you did all you could and more than I would have done. A shame that folks have a hard time figuring this stuff out. Granted, our laws are stupid but not impossible to figgure out that basics with a little effort.
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Even though it's his range, his ruled.

It's your money, your choice.


I have been to 1 range wherebthey wanted to inspect my rifle. I left after asking why. They said I want to make sure it's legal.

I asked the owner for proof of citizenship, cause I wanted to make sure he was legal.
Then I left.

Some range in OC. Dont remember the name. Was down to shoot with my son.
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Meh. I still shoot there. Literally 5 min from my house, and I have private land options for my rifles equally close.

I took my CCW class and qualified there. He seems to be fairly knowledgeable on most laws, yeah he is a little off on certain things. Yeah the range rules are not quite what I would want them to be.... oh well. Its a nice clean range, run by (from what I can tell) a non-communist, pro-gun, human being, prone to error, who has to keep up with California laws, while running his range, teaching new shooters gun etiquette and safety, and educating people who walk in with full on AWs and other illegal guns/methods of transport, etc, etc

He is honestly (imho) doing more good for 2a cause, than most keyboard kommandos on here. And on the issues where he is wrong? If youre going to argue, go prepared with pc, rulings, crpa statements, etc.

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What a dingus that owner is!
Have you actually talked with him? Or are you basing your comment off of one users anecdote?

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Yeah, that must be why he has a poster hung in his shop with leeland yees picture, an x marked over his face and "arrested" written by it

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Do new shooters know that? Because that is a lot of the people who shoot there

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He was aware of the ruling, but clearly did not understand it, as he stated, “That was the only week you could use a 30 round magazine in a rifle.” I told him several times he had no clue what he was talking about, but he still kept talking out of his arse.
Sounds like he at least had things printed out. If you are going to argue with every FUDder you come across, you could at least have some pc printed out yourself.

Because despite what you might think, your word doesnt mean crap. If you want to simply leave, and let him know his lack of knowledge will keep you from coming back, go right ahead.

If you actually want to educate people, go prepared
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what is his motive to enforce the laws?

their range rule

"Please wash hands thoroughly after shooting or handling firearms and ammunition"

WTF is this?
His motive is he thinks he is a cop, plain and simple...calling the doj while the Op was there, really...

I remember when fixed mag first became a thing, and he used to tell people kits like the Juggernaut hellfighter weren’t legal, and the only thing that was is featureless with a Thordsen stock...luckily he got over that.

Look, i’m glad to have another range nearby. I just wish the owner would spend more time educating himself on the ever changing CA gun laws, and less time hassling is customers over his lack of knowledge/understanding them.
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His motive is he thinks he is a cop, plain and simple...calling the doj while the Op was there, really...

I remember when fixed mag first became a thing, and he used to tell people kits like the Juggernaut hellfighter weren’t legal, and the only thing that was is featureless with a Thordsen stock...luckily he got over that.

Look, i’m glad to have another range nearby. I just wish the owner would spend more time educating himself on the ever changing CA gun laws, and less time hassling is customers over his lack of knowledge/understanding them.
Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, he doesn't want people to get arrested for illegal guns? His lack of knowledge is annoying, but realize he spends a ton of time doing other things as a business owner, has a family, etc.

Not saying he should stay ignorant, but yall need to lighten up

And calling doj, even in OPs post, it sounded like a call to clarify something... the fact that doj wont clarify should piss people off more than owner not knowing

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O k .....let me throw this question out there ..

( just a little off topic )


How many here would be up to a Cal - Gun shoot there ?.
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Wasn't there a similar thread on here recently where some dude was arguing magazine and AW laws? Lol.

One thing I learned from my military time.. the most dangerous person out there is not the one who doesn't know, it's the one who doesn't know but is convinced that they know.
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O k .....let me throw this question out there ..

( just a little off topic )


How many here would be up to a Cal - Gun shoot there ?.
Ha, i’m down...
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Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, he doesn't want people to get arrested for illegal guns? His lack of knowledge is annoying, but realize he spends a ton of time doing other things as a business owner, has a family, etc.

Not saying he should stay ignorant, but yall need to lighten up

And calling doj, even in OPs post, it sounded like a call to clarify something... the fact that doj wont clarify should piss people off more than owner not knowing
Spreading FUD is not something that should be supported. He's not our "daddy" his job is not to treat more knowledgeable gun owners as his children. Inspecting people's firearms for "compliance" and harassing people for exercising their natural human right is supporting oppression. Last thing we need is more lib doj stormtroopers and oppressors.
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I wasn't there sooooo, from OP's post, I know a ****-ton of people like this. They TRULY BELIEVE they are right and anyone who try's, (civilly) to correct the errors or misinformation are WRONG--at every level.

You cannot discuss or have a conversation with these types of people. A true 2A supporter would ask for some documentation (code) to read and follow-up on.

Owner: Can't use that, it's illegal.
Gun-owner: not true, see : PC. 123455abc
Owner: Ok, let me research and I'll get back to you, Until then, do you mind not doing that.
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How many here would be up to a Cal - Gun shoot there ?.
Im up for it.
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Just ask a gun attorney to tag along for some shooting practice and let the idiot spout off without knowing who he is spouting off to. Might get him a few dozen lawsuits very quickly and out of business even faster. The scary part is you never know what is going to be legal from trip to trip even though you know you are compliant and fighting with this guy is not worth it. Not even cops or a DOJ agent on site would want to argue with a lawyer standing there once he announces who he is. I have dealt with idiots like this in Northern california and found out it is smarter just to let them open their mouths and prove just how dumb they are.
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Have you actually talked with him? Or are you basing your comment off of one users anecdote?


There is no creature as arrogant as a keyboard warrior commenting on people confused abot CA gun laws.


WRONG. This one is spoken for. Come up with your own quips, as you clearly fancy yourself clever.
Yeah, that must be why he has a poster hung in his shop with leeland yees picture, an x marked over his face and "arrested" written by it


He also doesn't allow steel cased ammo... in case you wanted another thing to complain uselessly about


Do new shooters know that? Because that is a lot of the people who shoot there



Sounds like he at least had things printed out. If you are going to argue with every FUDder you come across, you could at least have some pc printed out yourself.

Because despite what you might think, your word doesnt mean crap. If you want to simply leave, and let him know his lack of knowledge will keep you from coming back, go right ahead.

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Old 04-18-2019, 9:26 AM
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He also doesn't allow steel cased ammo... in case you wanted another thing to complain uselessly about
Let me guess. You are either the asshat in question or are a close friend/relative? No, normal person would have such a vitriol response to the comments about the shop.
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Old 04-18-2019, 9:35 AM
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Let me guess. You are either the asshat in question or are a close friend/relative? No, normal person would have such a vitriol response to the comments about the shop.
i guess he is more than friend/family.

checking weapons to see if they are in legal configuration because he doesnt want people to get arrested? this really makes me laugh.
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Did you read the rules?: No brass collecting allowed. F that. On that rule alone I would never shoot there.

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He also doesn't allow steel cased ammo... in case you wanted another thing to complain uselessly about
I'll take a wild guess and say you don't reload. For those of us that do, the brass case, as I'm sure your must be aware, represents a major component cost in the assembly of ammunition. Being prohibited from picking up my own brass would absolutely be a deal killer for me.

I'm not sure why anyone would prohibit the use of steel cased ammunition. Maybe those spent steel cases foul the treasure trove of brass that is swept up at the end of the day to be reloaded for resale or sold as (valuable) scrap metal.
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As I see it, there are very few guns that are 100% illegal. Even in commiefornia, there are exemptions for certain people, ways to get off roster guns, grandfathering in of mags, registration for certain types of rifles but not for others, etc. something could be totally legal for you to own, but not for me.

Given how confusing our gun laws are, I think it would be wise for a range officer to just keep their mouth shut. Make sure everyone is being safe and respectful of each other, but not worry about how/when someone acquired a mag or whether or not they properly registered their bbraw or of a grip fin is needed or whatever.

If they really want to cover their butts, post a sign that says something to the effect of “you are responsible for knowing the legalities of your equipment. We are not lawyers and will not be held responsible for any issues that arise from your possession of illegal equipment”
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I'm not sure why anyone would prohibit the use of steel cased ammunition. Maybe those spent steel cases foul the treasure trove of brass that is swept up at the end of the day to be reloaded for resale or sold as (valuable) scrap metal.
Some don't allow aluminum either. And it's absolutely because the range has a side business selling, trading or reloading the brass and doesn't want to sort it. (I am talking about the cases, assume the projectiles are copper/lead only).

In any case, I think it's scummy. And as much as we all love to give free passes to gun stores/ranges because of the political climate in California, they need to be called out.
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