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Old 10-18-2017, 9:57 AM
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California adopts measure to take guns from those in the ‘Hate Crime Loophole’

http://www.guns.com/2017/10/18/calif...rime-loophole/

California Gov. Jerry Brown signed a popular bill last week to strip gun rights from those convicted of misdemeanor hate crimes.

The Disarm Hate Act, which passed the California Legislature without a single “no” vote, adds to the state’s already existing list of misdemeanor crimes that result in an automatic 10-year prohibition on possessing a firearm.

The additions include those who are convicted of misdemeanor interference with another person’s civil rights or damage of property because of their perceived race, religion, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation. Violations would be a felony and result in a lifetime gun ban, up to a year in jail, and fines of $1,000.
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How is this legal for a misdemeanor??

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Old 10-18-2017, 10:49 AM
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Is this because Jerry Brown Loves Crime?
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For every criminal's gun right they take away, they should expand a law abiding citizen's guns rights.
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So, this will disarm all the democrats?
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California adopts measure to take guns from those in the ‘Hate Crime Loophole’

http://www.guns.com/2017/10/18/calif...rime-loophole/

California Gov. Jerry Brown signed a popular bill last week to strip gun rights from those convicted of misdemeanor hate crimes.

The Disarm Hate Act, which passed the California Legislature without a single “no” vote, adds to the state’s already existing list of misdemeanor crimes that result in an automatic 10-year prohibition on possessing a firearm.

The additions include those who are convicted of misdemeanor interference with another person’s civil rights or damage of property because of their perceived race, religion, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation. Violations would be a felony and result in a lifetime gun ban, up to a year in jail, and fines of $1,000.

Am I to understand, that not only did Republicans vote for this, but that ALL 38 Repubs in the legislature voted for this? Am I reading this right?

Is this bill really such a wonderful idea, that all the GOP supported it as well?
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Is this retroactive?
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Californians are officially standing on the slippery slope.
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So, this will disarm all the democrats?
You should step into the Off Topic section sometime, it might change your opinion a bit.
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So how long until calling a non gender conforming, owl kin, 35 year old, biological male, who identifies as a 11 year old female, and uses the pronouns owshe, owher, owhers.. how long until calling it him is classified as a hate crime? It's coming. Don't think it isn't.
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If you can't get rid of the 2nd amendment, disqualify the populace and you get the same result.
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Californians are officially standing on the slippery slope.
I think we've already fallen over the edge for that there slope and are on the downward plunge.
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Would this 10 year restriction apply if the person moved out of state?
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Am I to understand, that not only did Republicans vote for this, but that ALL 38 Repubs in the legislature voted for this? Am I reading this right?

Is this bill really such a wonderful idea, that all the GOP supported it as well?
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201720180AB785

Almost, there were 3 Republican Assembly members that didn't vote.
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They are just trying to level the playing field for their bicycle lock wielding AntiFa thugs.
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Would this 10 year restriction apply if the person moved out of state?
No once you've crossed the border and moved to Free America these piss ant laws don't apply.
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Never plead guilty. To anything. Ever.

Always get the best attorney you can afford, and fight every single thing with all you got. Always make the other side fight for every victory.

Be willing to clog the courts. Never compromise. Not even on a traffic ticket.
Make California spend $$$ and hundreds of hours to do anything with/to you.

Don't talk to cops. Not a word. Make them work for every single thing.

Unless the state has an airtight case on stuff, they tend to lose. Or, even better, the D.A. has a tendency to drop cases, IF the defendant pleads not guilty AND he(the D.A.) thinks there is a chance he may not win.

Never plead guilty. Fight with all you have, to the very end.
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So if California denies us our civil right (firearms infringements), we can throw them in jail?
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I think we've already fallen over the edge for that there slope and are on the downward plunge.
If you han't said it I would have.
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So how long until calling a non gender conforming, owl kin, 35 year old, biological male, who identifies as a 11 year old female, and uses the pronouns owshe, owher, owhers.. how long until calling it him is classified as a hate crime? It's coming. Don't think it isn't.


Yup. This right here. If you call him a him cuz that’s how he was born, and he is delusional to think he’s a she or otherwise, we’re hateful and guilty of a hate crime. Didn’t they just pass a law like this in CA?
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Yup. This right here. If you call him a him cuz that’s how he was born, and he is delusional to think he’s a she or otherwise, we’re hateful and guilty of a hate crime. Didn’t they just pass a law like this in CA?
I think that law was just nursing homes, but I'm sure it will soon apply to the general population. Just like in Canada.
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I think that law was just nursing homes, but I'm sure it will soon apply to the general population. Just like in Canada.
The nursing home thing was the camel's nose.

There are so many protected classes in this state and equal rights are a joke. Creating every possible form of prohibited person out of otherwise law abiding folk is their way of invalidating the 2A here.
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Suppose you get drunk and use a Sharpie to draw a Hitler mustache on a poster featuring a member of LBGQT? That’s vandalism with a ‘Hate Crime’ addition.
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So how long until calling a non gender conforming, owl kin, 35 year old, biological male, who identifies as a 11 year old female, and uses the pronouns owshe, owher, owhers.. how long until calling it him is classified as a hate crime? It's coming. Don't think it isn't.
Agreed, it will happen!
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And how protected do you think your comments are on this site? How would you like a prosecutor using what you published on this site against you because he and DOJ decide to label this site a hate site without any due process or evidence of same. It is known as law by administrative ruling not court ruling.
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According to the author (of the bill)...
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"The problem is, the list of misdemeanors prohibiting individuals from owning or possessing a firearm overlooks [Penal Code] Section 422.6, which makes it unlawful to use force or threats of force to 'willfully injure, intimidate, interfere with, oppress, or threaten another person' based on that person's 'race or ethnicity, religion, nationality, disability, gender, or sexual orientation.'

"Those convicted under this violent hate crime statute are not prohibited from possessing or acquiring guns. The absurd result is that existing California law prohibits people convicted of crimes like assault or battery from owning guns for 10 years unless they were convicted of a hate crime for committing the same acts on the basis of bigotry. These individuals present a unique and growing threat to public safety and are not the 'law-abiding, responsible citizens' that the Supreme Court deemed entitled to exercise the right to bear arms under the Second Amendment.

"At least six states (Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Oregon) have enacted laws to prohibit violent hate crime misdemeanants from possessing and acquiring firearms. As a leader in enacting laws to prevent gun violence, it is time California joins these states.
See? No problem.

The list of included misdemeanors will grow as more and more groups are tagged:

"These individuals present a unique and growing threat to public safety and are not the 'law-abiding, responsible citizens' that the Supreme Court deemed entitled to exercise the right to bear arms under the Second Amendment."
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So now if I don't call someone by their proper gender pronoun I lose my guns?
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According to the author (of the bill)...See? No problem.

The list of included misdemeanors will grow as more and more groups are tagged:

"These individuals present a unique and growing threat to public safety and are not the 'law-abiding, responsible citizens' that the Supreme Court deemed entitled to exercise the right to bear arms under the Second Amendment."
All they're doing is closing the loophole that allows a living human to have a firearm.
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Just a matter of time, folks.
Just a matter of time, before these overbearing, over-legislating, Constitution-despising fascists poke the wrong bear, at the wrong time.
Might be today, might be tomorrow, might be next month.
May be awhile, before it happens.
But happen it will.
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Just a matter of time, folks.
Just a matter of time, before these overbearing, over-legislating, Constitution-despising fascists poke the wrong bear, at the wrong time.
Might be today, might be tomorrow, might be next month.
May be awhile, before it happens.
But happen it will.
No matter the result, it will just be an excuse to pass more laws.
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Sorry but, whats so hard about not committing a hate crime?

Its up there with like... not having sex with a dead animal.
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They need to add gun haters to the denied list. That would eliminate everyone who pitches a gun law meaning they would be unable to defend themselves or family - like they have denied for us.
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Sorry but, whats so hard about not committing a hate crime?

Its up there with like... not having sex with a dead animal.
Depends on who gets to define what a "hate crime" is.
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Sorry but, whats so hard about not committing a hate crime?

Its up there with like... not having sex with a dead animal.
On top of that I was wondering how many people on this forum will ever have contact with a transgender person. Only reason I mention transexual and gay people is because they're the example that is being used on the forum. They're like .01% of the population and gays are maybe 7% of the population. If you know anyone who's been committed of a hate crime you should ask them what happened and then see if you could see yourself doing that but then again you all probably don't know anyone who's been committed of a hate crime.
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So if California denies us our civil right (firearms infringements), we can throw them in jail?
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All they're doing is closing the loophole that allows a living human to have a firearm.
And there it is in a nutshell.
It's never, ever been about anything else.
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So, this will disarm all the democrats?
Nah. Criminals don't obey laws.
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How to take rights away from the sheeple of the state of Kalifornia.

Step 1: make most all things a crime.

Step 2: make most all crime an automatic ban in gun ownership.

Step 3: proceed to claim you haven't banned gun ownership.
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