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Great news for WC. Now to see if the chief complies with the mayor and city council. Congrats WC Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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According to the Facebook page it sounds like Chief Faulkner is ignoring the city council's decision. I'm going to call the city council tomorrow and demand they give the Chief the Baldwin Park treatment.
(Baldwin Park just fired their Chief a day or two ago.)
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While I like that his has happened, it occurs to me that he could accept "Self defense" very easily, and just use other legal means to block the majority of people from ever getting a license. I'm also thinking the "provision" the council struck down as listed in post #38 might be an issues and be challenged in court. CA Law gives the Sheriff/Police Chief broad powers in the criteria for making the decision on the process used to to determine who "makes the cut" and who doesn't. It says nothing about City Councils having a say.
The other thing that strikes me is the PC speaks of a Police Chief "entering into an agreement" with the Sheriff and vice versa in order to issue. Could the LAC SD put the kibosh on this by refusing to enter into a deal with whatever chief the city decides to appoint (if not the current one)? Quote:
That being said, I hope this works out. Like a ray of light in the darkness.
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That's a good point. Should give this a couple of weeks or so to shake out.
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Police Chiefs are "at will" employees and can be fired for not following the wishes of the City Manager or Council.
The reverse of West Covina is what most city's in CA have: The City Manager or Coucil makes it clear that if you issue any CCW's you will be replaced. Freedom has a nice way of spreading. Surrounding City Residents will now want some of thier own freedom. We are banding together for the referendum, and we need to keep it up and support actions like this too. Congrats Guys! |
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If the Council tells the CoP to issue or hit the bricks. He will issue. The majority of CoP's are nothing more than political buttpuppet whores slopping at the trough provided by City Councils. Right now the CoP/Council of WC has such an agreement with the sheriff for CCW issuance. As soon as the Council and city attorney iron out the wording. And the CoP starts issuing CCW, that agreement is moot. Sheriff McDonnel is not a 2A friendly sheriff. He was supported by massive DimCrap campaign donations and is beholden to the Dims for his election. |
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I think that was really the crux. I was not sure if the agreement was mandatory and if the Sheriff had to buy off on the CoP issuing or not. If not, this really is wonderful news for WC (and LA County)!
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URGENT!!
To all West Covina residents Chief Faulkner is playing games even though the Council gave him specific orders. Call Monday and let the council know you are behind them firing his ***. We are so very close to be the first city in L.A. county to issue. (626) 393-8401 or (626) 339-8400 They are closed today so make sure Monday, light up the phones..... Jeff Sent from my SD4930UR using Tapatalk
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I had a feeling that dill-hole wasn't going to follow orders.
Any one know what he is/is not doing? I have not seen it posted anywhere.
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Waiting for an update on the West Covina CCW fb page...
Perhaps the duty officer in my area abided by the council's ruling when he aided me. Maybe the chief put pressure on him after? IKN. But we do need to let the council know that we want him dismissed. Also, if you live in surrounding cities, please call as well... Remember, be polite. Sent from my SD4930UR using Tapatalk
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If the duty officer told you to fill out the state CCW application and turn it in. That gives the IA 90 days to either OK or deny the application from the date the application is filed with the IA. Are they refusing to accept the state applications? inquiring minds |
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I GUARANTEE there is an Officer lower than Faulkner who will GLADLY put on 4 stars for the low price of following the City Council's wishes...
Faulkner is probably being told to hold out by the California Police Chief's Association and most likely has been assured of another post if he gets let go. |
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Well I just spoke to the same officer as yesterday and this time he confirmed that Faulkner has differed CCW's to LACS. This in violation of the council ruling so yes, we need to call city hall and get them to fire this friggin tyrant.
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Frankly, I hope he fights against it and gets canned. The odds are he'll have to move for his next job, and that sort of PITA is exactly what we want all anti CoPs to fear. Remember: he's got a limited # of states that are anti CCWs (8 states). The only other state W of the Mississippi River is HI and the closest one to the E is MD. If he has kids, he'll have to pull them out of school. If he or his wife has family in CA, visiting each other on holidays suddenly becomes a PITA. Replacing the CoP will make the CoPs of Torrance, Glendale and LaVerne think twice about fighting against us. "Resistance is futile!" "We will make you pay!" Are you WC CCW folks in contact w/FPC and the NRA-ILA (Paul Payne)? Seems like letting them know what's going on and having them tell their supporters in LA Co and esp WC can only help your cause.
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bggss:While I like that his has happened, it occurs to me that he could accept "Self defense" very easily, and just use other legal means to block the majority of people from ever getting a license. I'm also thinking the "provision" the council struck down as listed in post #38 might be an issues and be challenged in court. CA Law gives the Sheriff/Police Chief broad powers in the criteria for making the decision on the process used to to determine who "makes the cut" and who doesn't. It says nothing about City Councils having a say.
The other thing that strikes me is the PC speaks of a Police Chief "entering into an agreement" with the Sheriff and vice versa in order to issue. Could the LAC SD put the kibosh on this by refusing to enter into a deal with whatever chief the city decides to appoint (if not the current one)? Quote: Originally Posted by CA PC ... (c) (1) Nothing in this chapter shall preclude the sheriff of the county from entering into an agreement with the chief or other head of a municipal police department of a city to process all applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, or amendments to licenses pursuant to this chapter, in lieu of the sheriff. (2) This subdivision shall only apply to applicants who reside within the city in which the chief or other head of the municipal police department has agreed to process applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this chapter. Sounds like an interesting and potential challenge to the states preemption laws. The above is from 26150(c)(1) PC. 26155(c)PC: (c) Nothing in this chapter shall preclude the chief or other head of a municipal police department of any city from entering an agreement with the sheriff of the county in which the city is located for the sheriff to process all applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this chapter. Sounds like your Chief is well within his rights to refer applicants to the Sheriff. Last edited by Bruce; 09-23-2016 at 9:10 PM.. |
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^^^ Good question. I'll try to pass on Paul Paynes name. I also hope his ***** is fired. I find it odd that the same officer gave me two different answers just a day apart.
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Ok, first thing. Funny video. Most all of it was shot at the Edwards which is usually dead...
Second, as for our CoP and council, the past three years has been a political game of ccws with him. Long story short he gave up his option to issue to LASD when he first was hired. Our council found; perhaps through our bylaws that he painted himself into a corner. The rulings from the council overrides his choice. They made it very clear, they wanted the basic application with no other "strings". He is disobeying a direct order. My guess, he's gone within a month. Sent from my SD4930UR using Tapatalk
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Why do you keep posting FUD??? If you are not disqualified from owning a handgun, and you reside in the city of the PD, and your CoP issues, his ONLY discretion is over GMC and GC. The city council is demanding he issue and accept SD for GC. If he tries to monkey w/GMC do you think the city council will stand for it??? They'll FIRE his a-- and replace him with someone who issues the way. Quote:
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ETA: WC folk, be sure to have your city council members tell the chief, either this one or his replacement, to put info about CCWs on the PD's website, incl downloadable application.
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If you live or near West Covina, worth watching the series, they constantly poke fun at the town, it's pretty good.
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I sent him a PM with the link to my reply with the title, "It's YOU!!!"
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West Covina Police Department CCW website
"It is the position of the West Covina Police Department to have all CCW license application processed through the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. For information regarding the application process contact the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department by visiting their website at www.LASD.org." Appears the west Covina Police Department has entered into an agreement with the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department. [PC 26155(c)] Penal Code 26155 (a) When a person applies for a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, the chief or other head of a municipal police department of any city or city and county may issue a license to that person upon proof of all of the following: (1) The applicant is of good moral character. (2) Good cause exists for issuance of the license. (3) The applicant is a resident of that city. (4) The applicant has completed a course of training as described in Section 26165. (b) The chief or other head of a municipal police department may issue a license under subdivision (a) in either of the following formats: (1) A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person. (2) Where the population of the county in which the city is located is less than 200,000 persons according to the most recent federal decennial census, a license to carry loaded and exposed in only that county a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person. (c) Nothing in this chapter shall preclude the chief or other head of a municipal police department of any city from entering an agreement with the sheriff of the county in which the city is located for the sheriff to process all applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this chapter. |
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I do recall there was a bill last year that would have made the agreement between a CoP and a Sherriff mandatory in the sense that a CoP would have had to her "permission" from a sheriff. I think it never made it out of committee or some such.
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IIRC, there was a bill last year or the previous year where a sheriff could enter into a MOU with a CoP to take over issuance of ALL CCWs in the CoP's city. (For those who do not realize it, if you live in an incorporated city and your CoP issues CCWs, you can apply with the sheriff instead. This bill would have taken away that option if the sheriff didn't want to deal with that city's residents. (E.g., in LACo, the sheriff could say "LA City residents have to apply thru LAPD, not LASO.")
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And FWIW, Torrance has been issuing CCWs at least since last Feb. See: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1170826
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IMO, the following PC is what applies when I say "other legal means"
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So while the WC CoP could agree to issue for SD=GC, he could then use the morals clause to deny anyone who has ever gotten so much as a parking ticket, a verbal warning or suspended from school in the last 10 years (or more) if he really wanted to and he'd be meeting the requirement as set forth by the council. This is why, IIRC, there is a case pending that challenges the GM requirement.
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(2) Just because GMC is being litigated does not mean it has not already been litigated (in other state & local admin contexts). IIRC, CCWFacts looked into this a few years ago. I've PMed him to ask him to chip in. (3) Even if the CoP could legally do what you said, as I posted in my previous reply to what turned out to be your post, not Bruce's, there's nothing to stop the city council from passing a resolution telling the chief to cut the garbage out or he'll be fired and replaced, just like with GC. Quote:
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CA is an "at will" state. Unless the CoP had a contract listing the possible causes for terminaton, they can let him go for just being ugly. They do not need to state a reason for firing his sorry butt.
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1) the person has the legal right to own a gun 2) the person has not been adjudicated of a mental illnesses 3) the person has not been convicted of spousal abuse 4) the person passed the background check These were the direct orders given to issue. They did not want the chief playing games. Nothing about tickets, hairstyles, tattoos, bankruptcy or bad breath... just those parameters. And yes, he was appointed by our last mayor and is at will so he can be dismissed simply for wearing a pink shirt and lime green tie... Sent from my SD4930UR using Tapatalk
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When I referred to "other legal means" I was referring specifically to the GMC part, which is extremely vague in it's definition as used in the PC. So while GC may be easy, GMC may be hard. There was No "FUD" being spread, I was simply pointing at the PC and hurdles that can be placed by an IA.
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Our city Attorney is a female who is a hard core gun grabber. She was just trying to put up obstacles to obstruct the process. The fact that the council could not find one case of psychological tests being part of the CCW process in a hundred jurisdictions shot her argument down. They also noted that there was a judicial ruling that prohibits the psychological test as part of the process.
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