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Come on OP, just take your camo and go home. The party is over. No one wants to play with you anymore.
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Come on OP, just take your camo and go home. The party is over. No one wants to play with you anymore.

So wait did you watch the desert video?

Are you saying MC bended in? Ahaha dude get your eyes checked!
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Yeah you regurgitating stuff you read online makes you the camo expert. Your such a MC fan boy you ignore actual field video!
I have no choice in what pattern is issued to us. you cant even get past that right either.

I guess you missed the part in my reply that I'm no expert and neither are you. reread the post you might catch it.

better yet here it is.

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I'm not expert on changes coming the Army uniform wise. I have read what has been released and posted it here nothing new.
I take it you missed that part.
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I have no choice in what pattern is issued to us. you cant even get past that right either.



I guess you missed the part in my reply that I'm no expert and neither are you. reread the post you might catch it.



better yet here it is.







I take it you missed that part.

I am an expert.There is a reason the Army seeked me out .That's the part your missing. Been at it for 10 years and have made patterns that are way better then MC.

Even my B patterns work better. Look how bright n stupid MC looks here. Notice the hole in my boot! This is a pattern that has not even been color matched and works better then MC.



This is the best woodland pattern ever made.look again to the right of Marpat.



Same pattern



Here your MC takes 3rd sticking out,second to Marpat and 1rst to my pattern.

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MC or OCP does not blend in arid areas its too green. Desert Marpat dominated arid areas, woodland marpat woods UCP urban/nvg and has the ability to loose outline past 300m almost everywhere. Another thing everyone is missing they look at it 10 feet away. MC blends in with light vegetated areas like Arizona,New mexico and others but not in california deserts, green woods,urban, or arctic. Mean while patterns that actually work like mine, desert brush, mirage and others get shelved. Its all about the money. Ever wondered why every M4 does not have a Vortex flash suppressor or why Dragon skin never made it?
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I am an expert.There is a reason the Army seeked me out .That's the part your missing. Been at it for 10 years and have made patterns that are way better then MC.

Even my B patterns work better. Look how bright n stupid MC looks here. Notice the hole in my boot! This is a pattern that has not even been color matched and works better then MC.



This is the best woodland pattern ever made.look again to the right of Marpat.



Same pattern



Here your MC takes 3rd sticking out,second to Marpat and 1rst to my pattern.

care to post your expert credentials other than what is posted here?

you were never in any serious consideration they were asking for many samples from lots of vendors the Army has to do that. no one source is allowed in the bidding process. it's a big boy game you were trying to get into.
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care to post your expert credentials other than what is posted here?



you were never in any serious consideration they were asking for many samples from lots of vendors the Army has to do that. no one source is allowed in the bidding process. it's a big boy game you were trying to get into.

Chris stfu! Now you were part of the solicitation ahaha. Get the furk out of here! Ok dude MC rocks and everything else sucks.
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here is what I was trying to tell you.

http://kitup.military.com/2010/11/br...mpetition.html



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Most Kit Up! readers know that next week the Army has scheduled an industry day up at the service’s research lab in Adelphi, Md., to get all the proposals from industry on the Phase IV camo requirements.

As you’ll remember, the service is asking industry to provide color schemes for three different terrain types — jungle/woodland, desert and so-called “transitional” — and a fourth pattern to be used across all the uniforms and printed on utility gear like body armor carriers, MOLLE gear and ECWCS outers.

Well, Hyde Definition has jumped into the frayalready with a full proposal of its PennCott pattern in three terrain variants and one “multi-terrain” pattern for gear.

As you can see from the pics above, it’s a pretty good pattern (as I suspect all the offers will be) and it sticks to the current trend (with Crye being the exception) of using “fractal geometry” (ie, digital) to camouflage troops.


Read more: http://kitup.military.com/2010/11/br...#ixzz3NM4ud28x
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GRAFENWÖHR, Germany — Soldiers heading to Afghanistan could soon be issued new combat uniforms that would offer better camouflage based on their operating environments.

Two 4th Infantry Division battalions are wear-testing new uniforms in eastern Afghanistan right now, according to Col. Bill Cole, a project manager for soldier protection and individual equipment at Program Executive Office Soldier. And a decision could be made by early February to field new uniforms to all soldiers heading downrange.

Soldiers who have served in Afghanistan had identified the need for camouflage uniforms that better conceal troops operating there, according to Col. Scott Mills, of the Army’s Logistics Directorate.

And the issue caught the attention of the House Armed Services Committee after congressmen visited Army leaders at U.S. bases.
here is the UCP/Delta pattern I mentioned to you. I thought this one would have been a better choice instead of what we have today.



http://www.hyperstealth.com/scorpion/
is this the desert version of MC you are referring too? the one on the top?


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"On Jan. 10th, the Army announced that families of camouflage patterns from one government team and four commercial vendors were selected to proceed into the next step of evaluations. As part of a cost savings strategy and as a result of initial assessments, the government submission is being removed from further consideration as a replacement to the universal camouflage pattern. This decision has been made in light of the similarity between elements of the government and one industry submission and the higher score of the industry submission during the initial evaluation..." (1)
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Phase IV - Three Colorations Required

For the U.S. Army Phase IV Camouflage Improvement Effort the focus was on a family of camouflage with three patterns meant for three specific environments; Woodland, Desert and Transitional


So Crye Precision LLC. (a finalist in the Phase IV program) needed to provide not just a pattern that would work in Transitional environments but also Woodland and Desert. Three of the four finalists released information on their pattern shortly after the January 2012 finalist selection, except for Crye, they have not yet released any information on their submission publicly. All finalists were invited out to an Army meeting where all the finalists' patterns were on display, so a couple of ADS Inc. people have seen the Crye submission. According to these two ADS Inc. people, Crye did not deviate much from Multicam, providing a Woodland Variant and a Desert Variant to go along with a very close - if not identical coloration for Multicam for transitional environments.

So the U.S. Government in 2009 had both a Woodland Scorpion and Desert Scorpion, for Phase IV they also provided a Transitional Scorpion.

And Crye who only had what seemed to be a Transitional pattern now needed to add both a Woodland and a Desert Coloration to make a family for the program (if they kept their Transitional the same as the current Multicam) .

So what can we now pull out of the U.S. Army statement below when the Army removed what is believed to be the Scorpion family:

the government submission is being removed from further consideration as a replacement to the universal camouflage pattern. This decision has been made in light of the similarity between elements of the government and one industry submission and the higher score of the industry submission during the initial evaluation..." (1)

Two factors came into play: Similarity of Scorpion pattern to Crye's submission and Crye outperforming the Scorpion pattern in the initial Phase IV testing in 2011 of all industry submissions.

So has there been any leaks on the Crye Woodland or Desert versions? Perhaps on their Desert submission.

A company called O.C. Tactical claimed on their Facebook page that they received material and gear in the Multicam Desert coloration (7)(8)
but you already knew all of this since you are an expert and no one else here is.

I remember the article when they went to Afghanistan to test the new camo they were shot at, RPG'd and ambushed. needless to say those guys risked their lives testing the camo.

http://www.hyperstealth.com/scorpion/
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U.S. Government was to put two camouflage families forward

Initially the Government was looking to put two of it's own families in the finals against three industry submissions but the Army decided after the initial 2011 Phase IV testing to only put one family forward. I would expect it was the All-Over-Brush pattern (also known as Multibrush and a Desert coloration Version known as Desert Brush), as Natick testing showed Desert Brush was beat Desert MARPAT in Desert Environments in their first test and then was beat by AOR-1 in the second test, so as good as it was, it was not good enough. Multibrush tied with AOR-2 in Mountain Environments in 4th place being beaten by Multicam, Universal-AOR and Woodland Scorpion. If the early Phase IV testing confirmed these results then the Brush pattern did not meet the baseline requirements to move forward. Thus one of the industry families made it into the finals due to the Army pulling one submission out at that time.
I find it interesting it beat MARPAT desert. but lost in another phase of testing.


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UPDATE June 3, 2013: U.S. Army submission (which was withdrawn) revealed.

The Government has revealed that their submission was not just the Scorpion pattern but they submitted three different geometries for each environment: a pixelated camouflage for Woodland, Desert All-Over-Brush for Arid/Desert and Scorpion for Transitional, see story here: http://soldiersystems.net/2013/06/03...n-army-family/

Given this new information I would guess the Government Woodland/Jungle submission was their Woodland Digital which ranked #1 in their Croppland/Woodland testing in their 2009 study - AOR2 came in second, Woodland MARPAT in Third and UCP-C came in fourth in this environment. All four patterns were digital pixelated.

The Multicam and Woodland Scorpion patterns dominated the Transitional (Mountain) environments however Universal AOR (digital pixelated) tied Multicam for first place

In Desert Brush (Desert All-Over-Brush) placed third in Sandy Desert environments in-between AOR1 (2nd place) and MARPAT (4th place). While the first place in Desert was Digital DCU we discussed in Part 1 that the colors in DCU are to bright in the NIR spectrum (Night Vision) so we expect this removed DCU and Digital DCU as a contender.

So while the Army wanted to use three different geometries their Desert submission puzzles me, with AOR1 and Digital DCU placing higher than Desert Brush in the 2009 tests, wouldn't you also attempt to provide a Digital pixelated pattern for Desert?

The Army is expected to announce the winning camouflage family on June 14, 2013 (the U.S. Army's Birthday)
if your camo was so good tell us why you didn't get selected?

go ahead and call it MC fan boy. this page was rather interesting in information regarding the new uniform. not much info was ever released.
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Chris stfu! Now you were part of the solicitation ahaha. Get the furk out of here!
dude get over yourself.

or you mean thread

nice to see you lose your cool . resorting to profanity and name calling are signs of a sore loser . not once did I tell to STFU or get out of here. even though you censored yourself it's apparent that cussing at someone challenging you is what you don't like.

and my first post wasn't inflammatory it was a suggestion to get acronyms straight. as I stated earlier many people get UCP and ACU confused. it's very easy to do so.
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here is what I was trying to tell you.



http://kitup.military.com/2010/11/br...mpetition.html











http://www.stripes.com/news/army-tes...uflage-1.97534





here is the UCP/Delta pattern I mentioned to you. I thought this one would have been a better choice instead of what we have today.







http://www.hyperstealth.com/scorpion/

is this the desert version of MC you are referring too? the one on the top?













but you already knew all of this since you are an expert and no one else here is.



I remember the article when they went to Afghanistan to test the new camo they were shot at, RPG'd and ambushed. needless to say those guys risked their lives testing the camo.



http://www.hyperstealth.com/scorpion/





I find it interesting it beat MARPAT desert. but lost in another phase of testing.









if your camo was so good tell us why you didn't get selected?



go ahead and call it MC fan boy. this page was rather interesting in information regarding the new uniform. not much info was ever released.

Omg! You really think I don't know or have seen all this crap you regurgitate before? Please go away with your google kung fu.
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Omg! You really think I don't know or have seen all this crap you regurgitate before? Please go away with your google kung fu.
I posted questions to you. since you cannot answer them I consider you not an expert. I only researched what you are doing and asking you questions.

you can either answer them or step away.

you cant stand someone who researched a topic and posted information to it and questioned you? looks like you cant do that.

interesting you say you have seen it all before and not one mention of it.
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No, no! KEEP feeding the troll! This thread was originally interesting, but has now improved to hilarious.
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Are you going to get a uniform type set made up of your camo Lost?
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Been asking lost to do that for a few years on here. He never puts his money where his mouth is.
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I posted questions to you. since you cannot answer them I consider you not an expert. I only researched what you are doing and asking you questions.



you can either answer them or step away.



you cant stand someone who researched a topic and posted information to it and questioned you? looks like you cant do that.



interesting you say you have seen it all before and not one mention of it.

Dude your 3 years behind go away!
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Been asking lost to do that for a few years on here. He never puts his money where his mouth is.

have any idea what it cost for a run?
Everyone I have approached so far attempts to steal it. It's much harder and expensive then you think. I want this made more then anyone. I have had several Chinese companies approach me but I know better then that.
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nice "tests"

Multicam outperformed UCP in the Armys 2007-2008 testing


This is a good read, for anyone who is interested:
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Multicam outperformed UCP in the Armys 2007-2008 testing





This is a good read, for anyone who is interested:

Part 1: http://www.hyperstealth.com/camo-improvement/

UCP really becomes effective further out, what the eye sees at 100m is not the same 300m+ light patterns perform better at range then darker ones also these tests were flawed and the original UCP was almost white and blue the fire retarded version is more khaki and sage then white tan n blue. You can see the same patterns get different results years later different locations.
The Brit stuff is not as good as Marpat nor is anything else listed. The Chinese wood pattern that won the wood test is great with full sun on it but as soon as you view it different angles it appears black or too dark and forget tree canopy Marpat is way better. MC is great for areas that look like it green light brown fields, rustic rocks with veg and a lot of other places but make no mistake you go into an arid area or green and it fails.


Check out this Russian test
UCP looks silly up close but observe it further out, notice how well it and MC performed further out compared to others.
http://youtu.be/tOU5Ha3fIcs


Is UCP the best for arid desert? No but better then green MC, Marpat is a work of art and was the hardest pattern for me to overcome.



My pattern on left marpat on right. Step away from the screen and notice mine start to loose outline.
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Multicam outperformed UCP in the Armys 2007-2008 testing


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that was a good read. plenty of good info there. some I have not heard of.
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that was a good read. plenty of good info there. some I have not heard of.

Like I said your years behind.
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No, no! KEEP feeding the troll! This thread was originally interesting, but has now improved to hilarious.
I agree this thread is great!

Plus in between laughing there's some good infos such as the link that JGalt posted. Good stuff.

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I'm pretty sure that is the first time in 5 years I have been quoted and someone AGREED with me.
This is now my favorite thread.
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I agree this thread is great!



Plus in between laughing there's some good infos such as the link that JGalt posted. Good stuff.




That's mainly written by Crammer, he lacks the understanding of color reaction at distance. I met him several times at Shot all he talked about is Light Bender but I have not seen it nor do I believe it works as advertised.
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OP do you have any experience with "natural gear" camo? I've found it to be really effective in the arid desert environments around SoCal like your 2nd video.

Yes works good
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wow green is not as good as tan in the desert! a revelation!!!

Best comment so far IMHO its as simple as that green does not blend in as good as tan in the desert. Billions of dollars later to come to a no brainer!
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Op you ever try Polish Moro or Puma?

No I have not, it looks like it would do an ok job. I like lighter greens instead of dark browns n greens they turn black when not enough light is on them.
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I'm pretty sure that is the first time in 5 years I have been quoted and someone AGREED with me.
This is now my favorite thread.

I agree as well. What I don't get is why actual video is ignored! Its speaks for its self MC did good in woods and sucked in our deserts. End of story don't understand the MC fan boys.
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That's mainly written by Crammer, he lacks the understanding of color reaction at distance. I met him several times at Shot all he talked about is Light Bender but I have not seen it nor do I believe it works as advertised.
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Hey lost quick question. And this is an honest question.

You said before that you really were an 'expert' in camo.
What kind of credentials does a camo-expert have? I assume it'd have to be a physiology based field when dealing with the way our eyes/brains perceive patterns and colors. Is that correct?
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I've worked with all 3 types, working with the army and marine corps, I'm a marine, and what I've seen work best is the multi cam. Sure there are exceptions, but it works better. The ghillie suit, great is your in a fixed position and really know how to camouflage. It's not made to move, if you move it's very very slow.
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have any idea what it cost for a run?
Everyone I have approached so far attempts to steal it. It's much harder and expensive then you think. I want this made more then anyone. I have had several Chinese companies approach me but I know better then that.
What what tells me is that you don't believe enough in your pattern to put your own money in it.

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Hey lost quick question. And this is an honest question.



You said before that you really were an 'expert' in camo.

What kind of credentials does a camo-expert have? I assume it'd have to be a physiology based field when dealing with the way our eyes/brains perceive patterns and colors. Is that correct?

You can google my field test.
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What what tells me is that you don't believe enough in your pattern to put your own money in it.



As I said, put your money where your mouth is



What makes you think camo is the only thing I do. I hold several patents some of my projects were funded. In due time this will get picked up as well.
You want to act like idiot and say oh put your money where your mouth is, you have no idea how much time,money and effort I have put in this. You can't just go to an existing company and say here print this.
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What makes you think camo is the only thing I do. I hold several patents some of my projects were funded. In due time this will get picked up as well.
Nice straw man, I never said it was.

Now quit complaining and put your money where your mouth is.
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I've worked with all 3 types, working with the army and marine corps, I'm a marine, and what I've seen work best is the multi cam. Sure there are exceptions, but it works better. The ghillie suit, great is your in a fixed position and really know how to camouflage. It's not made to move, if you move it's very very slow.

No you have not where? In 29palms? Of camp Pendleton? You have never seen MC outperform Marpat in arid or woodland.
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Nice straw man, I never said it was.



Now quit complaining and put your money where your mouth is.

Cool invest in it!
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Theoretically I would use multicam in the lighter more open areas because at a distance it appears to be a very light green. I'm talking green plains and fields. Otherwise when I'm in the redwoods or plain woods in the hills digital woodland works wonders. At a distance it appears dark green/brown.

When doing my own tests I did notice that my eyes picked up the lighter camo a lot more easily, even easier than the dark MARPAT in a light environment. Multicam fades to become very light, fairly fast. MARPAT looks good blended and faded, so does the classic woodland. ATACS FG is decent too but it stands out like Multicam because it is mostly tan.

I'm actually interested in some ruski camouflage:




If you really want to be tacticool, you'll have two light sets, two dark sets, and a snow set.

Have you seen Cadpat?
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This thread is quite fun. Interesting to see the banter and troll feeding. But also great info too.

Lost - people here really are your friends (I think). You might get more appreciation and cooperation if you didn't react to every disagreeing opinion with so much vitriol. It's awesome to see so much conviction behind your ideas. Just maybe keep an open mind to those whose opinions are not as impassioned.

This is a serious idea (although admittedly far-fetched) - have you ever thought of trying something like Shark Tank?
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This thread is quite fun. Interesting to see the banter and troll feeding. But also great info too.



Lost - people here really are your friends (I think). You might get more appreciation and cooperation if you didn't react to every disagreeing opinion with so much vitriol. It's awesome to see so much conviction behind your ideas. Just maybe keep an open mind to those whose opinions are not as impassioned.



This is a serious idea (although admittedly far-fetched) - have you ever thought of trying something like Shark Tank?

Yes I have but its a lot easier to team up with a company with a foot in the industry instead of starting from scratch. Its not just printing but marketing and over all corp infrastructure. Right now my time is tied up.
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Cool invest in it!
Why should I risk my money in something that you won't risk your money in?

This is my point. You want people to fund you except you aren't willing to stand behind your product and put your own money down. You want a paycheck, not an investor.

This is why this has gone nowhere and wil continue to go nowhere as long as you have that attitude.
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