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Guys, stop with the Off Topic posts in this thread. They make it difficult for CGNers who are looking for info on state ConCarry fights. This thread is about "Constitutional Carry bills for *2017*" per the its title. If you want to discuss HI's May Issue system, the Libertarian party or anything else, just start your own thread in the appropriate forum. I'd prefer not to have to get Mods involved ... again. Thx!
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I seriously doubt South Carolina will pass CC. This cycle of failing to gain any traction in the senate has gone on for a while now. Iowa said they will make an attempt next session. Good news is they are probably going to legalize SBRs and SBSs any day now.
Wisconsin has a chance, although it has a long ways before it gets anywhere. Same with Nebraska. Most likely we will get these two wins this year and that's it. Not bad though. |
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Louisiana
LA will give it another go http://www.ksla.com/story/35082317/l...with-no-permit
3 years in a row where the bill couldn't get out of committee. |
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SC and LA have a long, racist, patronizing history. NC is up there as well. Total unified supermajorities and can't even repeal a *$& pistol permit, much less even really go for CC? Mississippi's courage was actually amazingly surprising for me. I wonder if Texas has the stones, they just BARELY managed to get LICENSED OC passed. I think the best strategy is to "surround" states that hold out, and use the neighbor argument. I would LOVE to make a targeted campaign of getting OK and LA to pass it to pressure TX. If we could make TX fall then that is a MAJOR feather in the cap, and destroys the "doesn't work in big cities/big states/good economies" argument. Also, if we can topple WI, it puts MN within reach because of similarity of state and voting patterns. Also, we've had 2 successes already. If we can only add another 2 for a total of 4 this year, we increase the ConCarry caucus by 33% in one year? Not bad at all! Plus the states we've gained create neighbor pressure that I think will build to a domino effect.
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Agreed, not sure about the MN part though. Their democrat governor reluctantly signed a suppressor bill a couple years ago...I doubt he'd sign CC. North Dakota is a good one though. It puts a lot of pressure on SD and Montana. Both states fall short with the governor, but both will be replaced in 2018. We saw this happen in NH for a few years. SD and Montana will go CC by the next presidency I think. |
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Alabama: governor probably going to be impeached
I don't know how this will affect ConCarry (assuming it gets to the governor's desk), but it looks like the sitting governor will be impeached.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-scandal.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert...ics_violations I assume Lt. Gov. Kay Ivey will take over if the governor is removed from office. She's a Repub, but she used to be a Dem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Ivey Acc to https://votesmart.org/candidate/2764...P#.WOsJj461uEI she was rated at 92% by the NRA in 2011 and 93% in 2014. So, hopefully she'll be pro ConCarry.
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The teachers unions and large land owners (timber industry) are the most powerful interests in this state. It's why our property taxes are the lowest in the country (we have our own version of Prop 13 that has been in the state's Constitution since 1903). Our State Constitution is purposefully long, complicated, and its amendment process is full of moral hazard (the entire state votes on local amendments for jurisdictions that do not have home rule). It's all to benefit wealthy land interests.
So yeah, just like California. That being said, the biggest obstacle to Constitutional Carry and unlicensed vehicle carry (something every other Southern state has) has been the sheriff's association. They are the ONLY law enforcement group in the state that voices objection. The state troopers and municipal agencies couldn't care less. And the sheriffs freely admit that the concern is over revenue that comes from carry permits, not over officer safety. There are over 500,000 carry permits in the state, and each county charges anywhere from $7.50 to $25 per year (from 1 to 5 years, you choose the duration once you pass NICS). NICS is all it takes to get one, and most counties will run the check and issue in 10 minutes after you visit the office. The sheriffs can do whatever they want with the money. You can see why they don't want to lose it. $$$$$ AL.com did a story a while back and found that only a few hundred people were arrested for concealed carry without a license in this state over a one year period, so the LEOs in the state certainly aren't using the law much to their and the public's benefit. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201..._be_arres.html If the legislature sends ConCarry to the new governor, she'll most likely sign it. It only takes a simple majority to override a veto here. Last edited by Rail; 04-10-2017 at 3:17 PM.. |
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I'll say the interactions I had with AL PD didn't leave me very impressed.
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IOWA: ConCarry dead but Castle Doc/Stand Your Ground alive
If I had to choose between the two, Castle/Stand is more important and urgent. It will keep CCWers who are not convicted in Good Shoots from being sued by the BG or his surviving relatives.
Of course, I'd like both but I'm sure the NRA will not stop until we win it! Quote:
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/ne...eview-20170407
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I get the sense a lot of states proposing ConCarry this year are just testing the waters and seeing if other states go before them. If I had to pick three more states to go ConCarry this year, they'd be Wisconsin, Alabama, and South Carolina. Others will go next year and so forth.
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NE is likely to pass, but it was introduced late in the session, so it may have to wait until next year. TX would be a major win, but RINOs are against it, so it all depends on how much pressure the grassroots activists put on them. MI is a reach, but possible, even if not probable.
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http://www.postandcourier.com/politi...7c8d51e4d.html
SC governor says he will sign CC bill if it makes it to his desk. Already passed the house. |
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MO: Gun-Free Zone liability bill
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North Carolina: another ConCarry bill introduced in the House
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http://www.wcnc.com/news/politics/la...n-nc/430539816 Pittman introduced another ConCarry bill -- HB 69 -- in early Feb. http://www.wcnc.com/news/politics/nc...guns/406692040
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North Dakota ConCarry edit
Just updated the OP with something I don't think I knew (or may have forgotten): ND's new ConCarry law is only for CCing w/o a permit.
OCing still requires a permit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti..._carry_only.29
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Where'd you ever get an idea like that? And just to reiterate for any new readers, in Hawaii we must get permission to keep ("permit to acquire" by any means: purchase, trade, gift, etc., followed by full registration) any firearms not on the banned list, and we must also get permission to bear any legal arms outside the home for self-defense, and currently not one single person in the state has been granted such a license. And this year there were three bills to establish "shall issue" CCW. Not one single one of those was even heard in any committee. I'm pretty sure we'd qualify as the furthest possible of any jurisdiction in the U.S. from "constitutional carry". And, by the way, the Hawaii state constitution (Article I, section 17) reads: RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS Section 17. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. [Ren Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978] |
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Tennessee
Not a true ConCarry bill, but the legislator that proposed ConCarry (which got nowhere) may have some momentum with a new bill that reduces the penalties for carrying to 25$ for the first offense and 50$ to the second. It's currently 500$.
http://www.wbir.com/news/politics/te...-law/431807621 |
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Alabama
Looks like there will soon be movement on AL's ConCarry bill.
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Wasn't there suppose to be a vote in Alabama on SB24 today? Also in South Carolina S 449 was heard today, which is the companionship bill to H 3930. Anyone have info if it was heard or voted on?
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https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...-passes-senate
SB24 passed senate 25-6. Houses passed a similar bill. I think the house will move on SB24 pretty quickly because they did with H 3930. Now the real question is will the governor sign the bill. |
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Open carry doesn't require a permit, so I wouldn't be taking advantage of this would-be law unless I concealed.
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It's a lot of fun! I just read that it looks pretty good for Alabama.
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So a T-shirt that says, "I'm carrying a gun but no license and I'm following the law!"
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