Constitutional Carry bills for *2017* (24 states trying: 02 wins, 16 fails)

[Paladin]

Guys, stop with the Off Topic posts in this thread. They make it difficult for CGNers who are looking for info on state ConCarry fights.

This thread is about "Constitutional Carry bills for *2017*" per the its title.

If you want to discuss HI's May Issue system, the Libertarian party or anything else, just start your own thread in the appropriate forum.

I'd prefer not to have to get Mods involved ... again.

Thx!

[wireless]

I seriously doubt South Carolina will pass CC. This cycle of failing to gain any traction in the senate has gone on for a while now. Iowa said they will make an attempt next session. Good news is they are probably going to legalize SBRs and SBSs any day now.

Wisconsin has a chance, although it has a long ways before it gets anywhere. Same with Nebraska.

Most likely we will get these two wins this year and that's it. Not bad though.

[press1280]

LA will give it another go http://www.ksla.com/story/35082317/l...with-no-permit

3 years in a row where the bill couldn't get out of committee.

[lowimpactuser]

Originally Posted by wireless

I seriously doubt South Carolina will pass CC. This cycle of failing to gain any traction in the senate has gone on for a while now. Iowa said they will make an attempt next session. Good news is they are probably going to legalize SBRs and SBSs any day now.

Wisconsin has a chance, although it has a long ways before it gets anywhere. Same with Nebraska.

Most likely we will get these two wins this year and that's it. Not bad though.

Originally Posted by press1280

LA will give it another go http://www.ksla.com/story/35082317/l...with-no-permit

3 years in a row where the bill couldn't get out of committee.

Not shocking.

SC and LA have a long, racist, patronizing history. NC is up there as well. Total unified supermajorities and can't even repeal a *$& pistol permit, much less even really go for CC? Mississippi's courage was actually amazingly surprising for me.

I wonder if Texas has the stones, they just BARELY managed to get LICENSED OC passed.

I think the best strategy is to "surround" states that hold out, and use the neighbor argument. I would LOVE to make a targeted campaign of getting OK and LA to pass it to pressure TX. If we could make TX fall then that is a MAJOR feather in the cap, and destroys the "doesn't work in big cities/big states/good economies" argument.

Also, if we can topple WI, it puts MN within reach because of similarity of state and voting patterns. Also, we've had 2 successes already. If we can only add another 2 for a total of 4 this year, we increase the ConCarry caucus by 33% in one year? Not bad at all!

Plus the states we've gained create neighbor pressure that I think will build to a domino effect.

[wireless]

Originally Posted by lowimpactuser

Not shocking.

SC and LA have a long, racist, patronizing history. NC is up there as well. Total unified supermajorities and can't even repeal a *$& pistol permit, much less even really go for CC? Mississippi's courage was actually amazingly surprising for me.

I wonder if Texas has the stones, they just BARELY managed to get LICENSED OC passed.

I think the best strategy is to "surround" states that hold out, and use the neighbor argument. I would LOVE to make a targeted campaign of getting OK and LA to pass it to pressure TX. If we could make TX fall then that is a MAJOR feather in the cap, and destroys the "doesn't work in big cities/big states/good economies" argument.

Also, if we can topple WI, it puts MN within reach because of similarity of state and voting patterns. Also, we've had 2 successes already. If we can only add another 2 for a total of 4 this year, we increase the ConCarry caucus by 33% in one year? Not bad at all!

Plus the states we've gained create neighbor pressure that I think will build to a domino effect.

Agreed, not sure about the MN part though. Their democrat governor reluctantly signed a suppressor bill a couple years ago...I doubt he'd sign CC.

North Dakota is a good one though. It puts a lot of pressure on SD and Montana. Both states fall short with the governor, but both will be replaced in 2018. We saw this happen in NH for a few years. SD and Montana will go CC by the next presidency I think.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by press1280

LA will give it another go http://www.ksla.com/story/35082317/l...with-no-permit

3 years in a row where the bill couldn't get out of committee.

Thx. Updated the title & OP.

[Paladin]

I don't know how this will affect ConCarry (assuming it gets to the governor's desk), but it looks like the sitting governor will be impeached.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-scandal.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert...ics_violations

I assume Lt. Gov. Kay Ivey will take over if the governor is removed from office. She's a Repub, but she used to be a Dem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Ivey

Acc to https://votesmart.org/candidate/2764...P#.WOsJj461uEI

she was rated at 92% by the NRA in 2011 and 93% in 2014. So, hopefully she'll be pro ConCarry.

[Hoooper]

Originally Posted by Paladin

I don't know how this will affect ConCarry (assuming it gets to the governor's desk), but it looks like the sitting governor will be impeached.

Resigned today

[wireless]

The problem with Alabama seems to be the unions and snakes in the legislature.

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by wireless

The problem with Alabama seems to be the unions and snakes in the legislature.

That sounds surprisingly like CrapOfornia.

[Rail]

Originally Posted by pacrat

That sounds surprisingly like CrapOfornia.

The teachers unions and large land owners (timber industry) are the most powerful interests in this state. It's why our property taxes are the lowest in the country (we have our own version of Prop 13 that has been in the state's Constitution since 1903). Our State Constitution is purposefully long, complicated, and its amendment process is full of moral hazard (the entire state votes on local amendments for jurisdictions that do not have home rule). It's all to benefit wealthy land interests.

So yeah, just like California.

That being said, the biggest obstacle to Constitutional Carry and unlicensed vehicle carry (something every other Southern state has) has been the sheriff's association. They are the ONLY law enforcement group in the state that voices objection. The state troopers and municipal agencies couldn't care less. And the sheriffs freely admit that the concern is over revenue that comes from carry permits, not over officer safety. There are over 500,000 carry permits in the state, and each county charges anywhere from $7.50 to $25 per year (from 1 to 5 years, you choose the duration once you pass NICS). NICS is all it takes to get one, and most counties will run the check and issue in 10 minutes after you visit the office. The sheriffs can do whatever they want with the money. You can see why they don't want to lose it. $$$$$

AL.com did a story a while back and found that only a few hundred people were arrested for concealed carry without a license in this state over a one year period, so the LEOs in the state certainly aren't using the law much to their and the public's benefit.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201..._be_arres.html

If the legislature sends ConCarry to the new governor, she'll most likely sign it. It only takes a simple majority to override a veto here.

[lowimpactuser]

Originally Posted by Rail

AL.com did a story a while back and found that only a few hundred people were arrested for concealed carry without a license in this state over a one year period, so the LEOs in the state certainly aren't using the law much to their and the public's benefit.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201..._be_arres.html

If the legislature sends ConCarry to the new governor, she'll most likely sign it. It only takes a simple majority to override a veto here.

Is she good on guns? The wiki entry on her sucked. I hope you guys get con carry this year! It's a win for you and a win for the nation!

I'll say the interactions I had with AL PD didn't leave me very impressed.

[pacrat]

Oops DELETED as OT to this specific thread.

[Paladin]

If I had to choose between the two, Castle/Stand is more important and urgent. It will keep CCWers who are not convicted in Good Shoots from being sued by the BG or his surviving relatives.

Of course, I'd like both but I'm sure the NRA will not stop until we win it!

Gov. Terry Branstad said Friday he expects to sign legislation making major changes to Iowa’s firearms laws but he is reserving judgment until he and his staff have time to review the provisions of House File 517 that received final House approval on Thursday.

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Included in House File 517 is a controversial “stand your ground” provision that states a law-abiding citizen does not have a duty to retreat in a public place before using deadly force when confronted with danger to life or property.

The bill also would allow children below the age of 14 to handle pistols or revolvers under the supervision of an adult parent, guardian or instructor; pre-empt local ordinances restricting gun rights; create a uniform permit to carry weapons; provide for five-year permits to acquire handguns rather than single-year permits; and create confidentiality for those with permits, legalize short-barreled rifles and shotguns and allow those with permits to carry handguns in the Iowa Capitol and other public buildings.

Iowa Republican Party Chairman Jeff Kaufmann praised Speaker Pro Tempore Matt Windschitl and House and Senate Republicans for their work in shepherding the bill through both chambers of the Legislature in a bipartisan fashion. He called the bill “the most monumental piece of pro-Second Amendment legislation in Iowa’s history.”

Earlier in the week, members of Iowans for Gun Safety expressed concerns about the bill and on Friday, the Rev. Jeremy J. Brigham, executive director of the organization, wrote Branstad a letter urging him to veto the bill.

“This bill is particularly dangerous to men of color, women and children and many from these communities have joined us in speaking out,” Brigham said in his letter.

“Gov. Branstad, we believe it is particularly important that you veto this bill. As ambassador to China, like your predecessors, you will be asked to protect the rights of minorities in China. This bill ... threatens the rights of minorities in Iowa and we ask that you veto this bill and protect the rights of minorities in Iowa.”

If the bill becomes law, members of the Iowa Chapter of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America said Iowa will become only the second state to enact a new “stand-your-ground” law since the killing of Trayvon Martin in Florida in 2012.

“In the weeks since this bill was introduced, lawmakers have listened thoughtfully to the widespread concerns about certain portions of it, and we’re grateful they removed dangerous sections that would have gutted Iowa’s background check and permit-to-carry requirements,” said Amber Gustafson of the Iowa Chapter of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.

"Still, we remain deeply concerned that the stand-your-ground and punitive pre-emption portions of this bill would leave our communities less safe,” Gustafson added in a statement. Stand-your-ground laws embolden people to escalate everyday disputes, and the statistics from states that have passed them are deeply troubling. We’ll be urging the governor to keep our state from following their concerning lead.”

More at:
http://www.thegazette.com/subject/ne...eview-20170407

[Rail]

I get the sense a lot of states proposing ConCarry this year are just testing the waters and seeing if other states go before them. If I had to pick three more states to go ConCarry this year, they'd be Wisconsin, Alabama, and South Carolina. Others will go next year and so forth.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Rail

I get the sense a lot of states proposing ConCarry this year are just testing the waters and seeing if other states go before them. If I had to pick three more states to go ConCarry this year, they'd be Wisconsin, Alabama, and South Carolina. Others will go next year and so forth.

I'd add NE and TX and maybe even MI to that list for this year.

NE is likely to pass, but it was introduced late in the session, so it may have to wait until next year.

TX would be a major win, but RINOs are against it, so it all depends on how much pressure the grassroots activists put on them.

MI is a reach, but possible, even if not probable.

[wireless]

http://www.postandcourier.com/politi...7c8d51e4d.html

SC governor says he will sign CC bill if it makes it to his desk. Already passed the house.

[Paladin]

Proposed bill would punish ‘gun free zone’ businesses if shooting occurs

Missouri lawmakers heard a bill Monday to make some business owners liable for shootings on their property.

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... guns are still banned in places like schools and churches, and businesses with signs indicating they do not allow guns on the property.

The bill would make businesses who post signs prohibiting guns liable for injuries sustained by people on the property who would have otherwise been able to carry.

By posting signs, businesses would assume a duty to protect customers.

The bill would allow injured individuals to sue and if successful recover attorneys fees, expert witness costs and court costs.

"Criminals don't obey laws," said Rep. Nick Schroer, R-O'Fallon. "We can put as many laws as we want on the books; look at the war on drugs, any other law we have on the books. Criminals are still fighting against them. These policies of making gun free zones or an area gun free, provide a sense of safety to those who engage in magical thinking."

Schroer is the sponsor of the proposal and could not cite incidents where a plaintiff filed a suit because they were not able to carry their gun. Opponents of Schroer's bill said customers should be able to vote with their feet when it comes to guns on private property.

<snip>

The bill received a public hearing Monday, but has not yet seen time on the floor.

More at: http://fox2now.com/2017/04/10/propos...ooting-occurs/

Originally Posted by wireless

http://www.postandcourier.com/politi...7c8d51e4d.html

SC governor says he will sign CC bill if it makes it to his desk. Already passed the house.

Thx. OP updated. From that article: A Senate panel will consider another similar version of the law Tuesday.

[Paladin]

Could North Carolina become the 13th constitutional carry state?

A Cabarrus County Representative is trying to make that happen. Rep. Larry Pittman, a Republican from Cabarrus County, introduced HB746 in Raleigh Tuesday. Under the bill, North Carolinians who purchase their weapons legally would not be required to obtain a concealed carry permit or go through the training courses.

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More at:
http://www.wcnc.com/news/politics/la...n-nc/430539816

Pittman introduced another ConCarry bill -- HB 69 -- in early Feb.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/politics/nc...guns/406692040

[Paladin]

Just updated the OP with something I don't think I knew (or may have forgotten): ND's new ConCarry law is only for CCing w/o a permit.

OCing still requires a permit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti..._carry_only.29

[Rail]

All these states with ridiculous exceptions: if you're gonna do Constitutional Carry, make it a clean bill.

[press1280]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Just updated the OP with something I don't think I knew (or may have forgotten): ND's new ConCarry law is only for CCing w/o a permit.

OCing still requires a permit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti..._carry_only.29

If that's true then at least for me doesn't fit the definition of constitutional carry.

[wireless]

Originally Posted by press1280

If that's true then at least for me doesn't fit the definition of constitutional carry.

agreed

[surfgeorge]

Originally Posted by press1280

If that's true then at least for me doesn't fit the definition of constitutional carry.

So you believe that if the government requires people to get a permit or license from the government to "keep and [/or] bear arms" that is an "infringement"?

Where'd you ever get an idea like that?

And just to reiterate for any new readers, in Hawaii we must get permission to keep ("permit to acquire" by any means: purchase, trade, gift, etc., followed by full registration) any firearms not on the banned list, and we must also get permission to bear any legal arms outside the home for self-defense, and currently not one single person in the state has been granted such a license.

And this year there were three bills to establish "shall issue" CCW. Not one single one of those was even heard in any committee. I'm pretty sure we'd qualify as the furthest possible of any jurisdiction in the U.S. from "constitutional carry".

And, by the way, the Hawaii state constitution (Article I, section 17) reads:

RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
Section 17. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. [Ren Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]

[press1280]

Not a true ConCarry bill, but the legislator that proposed ConCarry (which got nowhere) may have some momentum with a new bill that reduces the penalties for carrying to 25$ for the first offense and 50$ to the second. It's currently 500$.

http://www.wbir.com/news/politics/te...-law/431807621

[Paladin]

Looks like there will soon be movement on AL's ConCarry bill.

The Alabama Senate has begun debate on a proposal to allow people to carry a concealed handgun without a getting a permit.

Senate President Pro Tem Del Marsh said Tuesday that he expected the GOP-controlled Senate to pass the measure.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...145156904.html

[wireless]

Wasn't there suppose to be a vote in Alabama on SB24 today? Also in South Carolina S 449 was heard today, which is the companionship bill to H 3930. Anyone have info if it was heard or voted on?

[wireless]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...-passes-senate

SB24 passed senate 25-6. Houses passed a similar bill. I think the house will move on SB24 pretty quickly because they did with H 3930. Now the real question is will the governor sign the bill.

[lowimpactuser]

Originally Posted by wireless

Also in South Carolina S 449 was heard today, which is the companionship bill to H 3930. Anyone have info if it was heard or voted on?

http://www.postandcourier.com/politi...8298f7aea.html

The panel did not vote on the bill and plans to meet again in the coming weeks. Tuesday was more a day of testimony.

[Rail]

Originally Posted by wireless

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...-passes-senate

SB24 passed senate 25-6. Houses passed a similar bill. I think the house will move on SB24 pretty quickly because they did with H 3930. Now the real question is will the governor sign the bill.

I would bet on her signing it. Takes only a simple majority to override a veto here. She also isn't one to stir up the pot.

[lowimpactuser]

Originally Posted by Rail

I would bet on her signing it. Takes only a simple majority to override a veto here. She also isn't one to stir up the pot.

What's the celebration plan?

[Rail]

Originally Posted by lowimpactuser

What's the celebration plan?

For me, maybe buying a new pistol.

[lowimpactuser]

Originally Posted by Rail

For me, maybe buying a new pistol.

But open? Conceal? BOTH?!?!?

I want to go to a free state and play "how many can I carry at once".

[Rail]

Originally Posted by lowimpactuser

But open? Conceal? BOTH?!?!?

I want to go to a free state and play "how many can I carry at once".

Open carry doesn't require a permit, so I wouldn't be taking advantage of this would-be law unless I concealed.

[njineermike]

Originally Posted by lowimpactuser

But open? Conceal? BOTH?!?!?

I want to go to a free state and play "how many can I carry at once".

It's a lot of fun! I just read that it looks pretty good for Alabama.

[lowimpactuser]

Originally Posted by Rail

Open carry doesn't require a permit, so I wouldn't be taking advantage of this would-be law unless I concealed.

So a T-shirt that says, "I'm carrying a gun but no license and I'm following the law!"

[Rail]

Originally Posted by lowimpactuser

So a T-shirt that says, "I'm carrying a gun but no license and I'm following the law!"

Glock 17 with a 33-round mag poking through my jacket.

[lowimpactuser]

Originally Posted by Rail

Glock 17 with a 33-round mag poking through my jacket.

[Rail]

Originally Posted by wireless

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017...-passes-senate

SB24 passed senate 25-6. Houses passed a similar bill. I think the house will move on SB24 pretty quickly because they did with H 3930. Now the real question is will the governor sign the bill.

Huh? Legiscan says it passed 26-1.

https://legiscan.com/AL/votes/SB24/2017

[press1280]

Originally Posted by lowimpactuser

http://www.postandcourier.com/politi...8298f7aea.html

Looks like they may try to move the House Bill that has already crossed over.