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Im in love with .40, but 9mm is stupid easy to shoot
I'm a .40 guy. My Sig p226 is in .40/.357. Say what you want about it of course, but to me, it just seems like such a good middle of the road round. More energy on average than 9mm, more velocity than .45. I am trying to help my girl pick out a personal defense pistol-which is not going well haha. She hates 9mm. It kicks too much she says. She is afraid to pull the trigger. So we are hunting for some .380 pistols with no thumb safety....
Anyway, in the course of doing all this, I stumbled across a very beat up Springfield EMP in 9mm. That gun shot pretty well! It was like.... Throwing rocks at paper really. I *personally* do not feel like 9mm is for me. But man. They sure are easy shooters. If we lived in a free state where we could have 15+ rounds I'd maybe make the switch. But here in Kommiefornia, I just can't justify it. And yes. Shot placement. That's a thing. But having been under serious duress before (actually been shot at) I have a hard time imagining you're every going to get a perfect shot. Please don't flame me. I'm young and stupid lol. But do voice your opinions. |
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Nothing wrong with 40... I like 40, 45, and 10mm but I do have a cz in 9mm that the wife like because she can shoot good with it. I told her she can have that, But since I like bigger bullet for stopping power I choose those over 9mm. Nothing wrong with 9mm... Again since I have glocks, Xd, and Cz with that being said I upgrade my glocks with a heaver spring up to 20lbs just 2 or 3 lbs from stock and recoil feel like 9mm which now my wife can shoot all the cal. Anyhow she has a hard time sliding the slide back because of the spring but after awhile of breaking in, it's good to go.
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Nothing wrong with that.
A handgun is for fighting your way back to your rifle anyway. And I have no doubts that a 9mm straight to the heart, head, or neck of a perpetrator would be "too weak".
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Do you like .40 better because it feels like more of a man's round to you? The tone of your post left me feeling as though you are discounting 9mm as a girly round. |
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Do you care about hitting stuff or just shooting at stuff?
If you care about hitting stuff, shoot the guns that allow you to do that better. Seems to me the chick in you life realizes that hitting stuff is better than just shooting at stuff, good for her.
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Shoot a .380 before looking to buy. Many of them have recoil comparable to 9mm.
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If your girl is set on a .380, have a look see at the cz83. On roster and recently a batch was imported, so they can be found. Very very mild recoil and an excellent shooter, although it does have a manual thumb safety, and the hammer has to be manually lowered if a da first shot is the preferred carry or storage condition.
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If she thinks 9mm has too much recoil, a .380 isn't going to be an improvement. Especially considering almost all .380's come in mouse gun sizes.
If she's that sensitive to recoil, I'd suggest buying her a .22 pistol. Before you discount the .22 as a self defense round, let me point out that .22's statistically have killed more than almost any other caliber. It's also better than a lamp or fingernails. She won't shoot it if she doesn't like it. If she doesn't like it, she won't like shooting PERIOD. Also, she's much more likely to hit what she's aiming at with a .22 than a 9mm or .380. Shot placement is the single most important factor when defending yourself. Buy her what she can hit her target with. Who knows? After a couple years of range trips with her .22, she just might warm up to shooting a 9mm. But let HER make that decision. Don't push her. Baby steps. Patience is your friend.
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just had this discussion on a trip to SD yesterday - its a never ending deal
the people that carry 9mm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHkqOWzDAZI the people that carry 40SW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuiePszwaho |
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Shoot both rounds and be happy. We're in America, you don't have to choose one over another.
As for the Mrs. she just needs to try out a variety and see what works for her. She'll find one that just "works" just like you found that emp. |
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I think the size of the gun and ergonomics will matter more than the caliber in regards to recoil for your girl.
It is also a matter of training. 9 and 12 year old girls have no problem with 9mm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRddVBUlSY0
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Okay, that was funny!
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I agree with k1dude, start with a .22 to help the missus get over the fear of guns. Work your way up from there, using your own judgment - as well as her input [important] - on whether you think she's ready or not.
Myself, I like all calibers. If it goes pew pew, pop pop, bang bang, or boom boom, its all good to me. |
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I personally like 9mm over .40 or .45.... For example, when I go to the range I usually take my 9mms to enjoy and shoot a lot. But my night stand is a .45 caliber. If I would be able to carry I would probably carry a .9 or a .40 probably leaning to towards a 9mm because it's lighter.
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both my .380s recoil more than any of my 9s. The problem is that most .380s are small frame pistols so they don't counter the recoil very well. Stick with a metal frame 9mm. If my wife wanted a pistol, I'd get her a Sig P226 in 9mm.
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If your rounds limited, might as well get something that makes bigger holes possible. Hence .40 is a good choice. With that in mind look for an S&W 1006 10mm. Defensive loads do 1,650 fps muzzle velocity. Another alternative is a CZ in 40. Steel frame shoots like a nine.
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Guess there has been no advancement in 40 cal projectiles?
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K1dude's point about starting out a new shooter with something mild recoiling is crucial. There's no question that women adopt to bigger calibers all the time....just see the women's forum here on this site, but if you start any shooter with uncomfortable recoil and noise, you risk turning them off to the whole deal. So get her a .22 and see where it goes from there. Take a look at the Ruger Bearcat revolver, too. Also, there is a correct and incorrect technique for those with weaker hands in racking a slide. Research it. 9mm is my "house wine". All my pistols are 9mm. The old story that 9mm is not powerful enough is just that... an outdated story. Modern 9mm factory loads offer many choices and most of them are serious medicine. If you do a little online research, you'll quickly find out that the FBI recently went back to 9mm as its standard issue caliber. Also keep in mind that the heavier the pistol, the less the felt recoil will be. There are two types of .380 mechanisms or actions. Research them and learn that one of them creates snappier recoil than the other, and one causes racking of the slide to be more difficult. I mention all these things because you wisely admitted that you might be lacking in knowledge about all this stuff....humility is a good thing! Good luck in getting her set up with something she'll enjoy.
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My wife started out not liking the kick of 9mm shot thru her KAHR PM-9. I had her shoot my compact .40 for a while. After she got used to the kick of the .40 she came to realize the 9mm kick was quite manageable. Now she can consistently blow the center out of the target with her PM-9 all the way out to 45 yrds. (yes she shoots her PM-9 way better then I do)
After she mastered the PM-9, I got her a KAHR P380. (same functionality in a smaller package) because of the smaller gun size the 380 really does not shoot any easier then the 9mm and perceived kick is similar. Only real advantage is that it's smaller to conceal. Now she carryies both. PM-9 IWB 4:00 and P380 in pocket or purse.
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it is a handgun... way underpowered for a 1 shot stop...
After all the data was reviewed since the Miami FBI shootout, the results came back 9MM, 40, 45- same stopping rate with proper JHP... the difference is shot placement
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Who'd have thought? Small 9 has less recoil and easier to shoot than a 40?
*9mm and 45 acp are over 100 yrs old and they still work. Powder/bullet improvements not withstanding. I never bought into the 40. I have shot them and found it to be irrelevant when compared to the others. My opinion. Personally I believe the 40 was just an attempt by FBI to cover their *** after agents were killed in a gunfight with bank robbers. "It was the gun/calibre’s fault and we need bigger/better!". Now FBI is going back to the 9. They have gone full circle. What a waste.
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.40 is fine, never really saw the point myself. Everyone says 9mm is great for this and that, while .45 is great for this other thing and that other thing, so why not split the difference and get .40 which does all of those things half as well? I'd rather just have a 9mm for what 9mm does best, and a .45 for what it does best, and grab whichever one is more suited for the use that day. If we're talking about a carry weapon, where you don't get to choose between 2 different pistols and you don't know what the situation will call for, then 10mm
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Getting back on topic, (was there a topic? I dunno) my favorite cartridge for when accuracy is of utmost importance is definitely 9mm.
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