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Old 03-19-2013, 11:41 AM
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Just spoke to one of my friends which of whom works for a reputable ammo manufacturer. Basically, ammo is still being produced in the same numbers as it has historically, however, hoarders are the reason to blame for this "Shortage". People need to refrain from purchasing such large amounts of ammo and storing it as if they are going to go to war. Those people which of whom are hoarding are throwing off and fabricating a shortage that should not exist. Prices are at an all time high and hoarders are promoting this behavior by buying all the ammo they can possibly get their hands on.

This is just a public service announcement to let people know who is really causing this so called shortage. Also, AWB has fallen out of senate and put on the back burner by the democrats. So, no more scare of an AWB for now.

Lets all stop buying everything and let the market settle back down.
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You should have stocked up sooner. Stop complaining about it and deal with it. Johnny Come Lately's are going to pay the high cost, or do without. You are asking others to stop hoarding so you can..
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You should have stocked up sooner. Stop complaining about it and deal with it. Johnny Come Lately's are going to pay the high cost, or do without. You are asking others to stop hoarding so you can..
Honestly, I purchase ammo directly from the manufacturer. I get wholesale prices regardless of the environment. I just wanted to help regular joes out and point out a flaw in the current ammo market. Ammo should not be this expensive! Retail stores are making a great margin on all they sell. Turnover is unbelievable right now. Also, many of you might know this but certain stores are participating in this so called "Shortage" and only releasing ammo little by little. Its a mind game guy, the less you see on the shelves the more you will be inclined to buy at high prices.
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Honestly, I purchase ammo directly from the manufacturer. I get wholesale prices regardless of the environment. I just wanted to help regular joes out and point out a flaw in the current ammo market. Ammo should not be this expensive! Retail stores are making a great margin on all they sell. Turnover is unbelievable right now. Also, many of you might know this but certain stores are participating in this so called "Shortage" and only releasing ammo little by little. Its a mind game guy, the less you see on the shelves the more you will be inclined to buy at high prices.
you use the generic "you" pretty loosely... I don't buy high at all... I haven't bought since the panic. Mind games don't work with me (and I'm not the only one).

Fortunately I hoard when prices are low. IMO, that's the logical thing to do. Also IMO, anyone hoarding at current prices are plain stupid - but anyone that was logical (and hoarded at low prices) aren't affected anyway.

So really the current condition is a way to teach the ignorant to be more logical next time.
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Honestly, I purchase ammo directly from the manufacturer. I get wholesale prices regardless of the environment. I just wanted to help regular joes out and point out a flaw in the current ammo market. Ammo should not be this expensive! Retail stores are making a great margin on all they sell. Turnover is unbelievable right now. Also, many of you might know this but certain stores are participating in this so called "Shortage" and only releasing ammo little by little. Its a mind game guy, the less you see on the shelves the more you will be inclined to buy at high prices.
Either stop bragging or share on the prices.
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Either stop bragging or share on the prices.
Can't. But I can say that it is around 1/2 off MSRP.
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Can't. But I can say that it is around 1/2 off MSRP.
Im calling BS unless your an FFL. Post an invoice but block out the names.
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Can't. But I can say that it is around 1/2 off MSRP.
Does ammo even have.a keystone (double) markup?
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Can't. But I can say that it is around 1/2 off MSRP.
anyone can "say" that...

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Honestly, I purchase ammo directly from the manufacturer. I get wholesale prices regardless of the environment.
Well, if that's the case. You should do a group buy and hook all of us Calgunners up!!
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Hey Everyone,

Just spoke to one of my friends which of whom works for a reputable ammo manufacturer. Basically, ammo is still being produced in the same numbers as it has historically, however, hoarders are the reason to blame for this "Shortage". People need to refrain from purchasing such large amounts of ammo and storing it as if they are going to go to war. Those people which of whom are hoarding are throwing off and fabricating a shortage that should not exist. Prices are at an all time high and hoarders are promoting this behavior by buying all the ammo they can possibly get their hands on.
Interesting your friend can see end-user sales after the ammo goes from maker to distributor to store.


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That's the problem. More and more people are starting to get into shooting so production has to increase in order to meet the increased demand.
There are far more existing shooters who don't understand history and pricing than new shooters. Add basic ignorance to the equation.


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Well, if that's the case. You should do a group buy and hook all of us Calgunners up!!
I'd buy, but only if the whining stops. Which it won't.
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You should have stocked up sooner. Stop complaining about it and deal with it. Johnny Come Lately's are going to pay the high cost, or do without. You are asking others to stop hoarding so you can..
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I agree. Stop hoarding I cannot even find ammo to shoot. My weekly range trips are down to monthly range trips.
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How 'bout this. Don't tell people what to do.
With all due respect. Didn't you just do that? OP wrote "don't hoard", you wrote "don't tell".
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Hey Everyone,

Just spoke to one of my friends which of whom works for a reputable ammo manufacturer. Basically, ammo is still being produced in the same numbers as it has historically, however, hoarders are the reason to blame for this "Shortage". People need to refrain from purchasing such large amounts of ammo and storing it as if they are going to go to war. Those people which of whom are hoarding are throwing off and fabricating a shortage that should not exist. Prices are at an all time high and hoarders are promoting this behavior by buying all the ammo they can possibly get their hands on.

This is just a public service announcement to let people know who is really causing this so called shortage. Also, AWB has fallen out of senate and put on the back burner by the democrats. So, no more scare of an AWB for now.

Lets all stop buying everything and let the market settle back down.
That's the problem. More and more people are starting to get into shooting so production has to increase in order to meet the increased demand.

Oh, and btw...I'm going to keep hoarding 'til the day I die.
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That's the problem. More and more people are starting to get into shooting so the supply has to increase in order to meet the demand.

Oh, and btw...I'm going to keep hoarding 'til the day I die.
Again, im not saying this to discourage anyone. Im just saying that if everyone nationwide takes a break on ammo purchase for a month to let supply catch up ammo can be hoarded at much lower prices. You have to let the market catch back up. The more inventory a store has sitting on its shelves the lower the prices will be.
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Again, im not saying this to discourage anyone. Im just saying that if everyone nationwide takes a break on ammo purchase for a month to let supply catch up ammo can be hoarded at much lower prices. You have to let the market catch back up. The more inventory a store has sitting on its shelves the lower the prices will be.
I was just kidding. I experienced this same shortage in 2009 so I got into reloading to be better prepared. But even components were scarce. I remember paying $60 for 1k large pistol primers and I thought it was a good deal.

If I had to guess, the madness won't really end until 2015. That's when you should stock up for the next shortage of 2017.
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I was just kidding. I experienced this same shortage in 2009 so I got into reloading to be better prepared. But even components were scarce. I remember paying $60 for 1k large pistol primers and I thought it was a good deal.

If I had to guess, the madness won't really end until 2015. That's when you should stock up for the next shortage of 2017.
my dad who's been shooting since the 80's said the same thing.. give it about two years. it'll come back to normal. unless of course they put purchase restrictions on ammo
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Again, im not saying this to discourage anyone. Im just saying that if everyone nationwide takes a break on ammo purchase for a month to let supply catch up ammo can be hoarded at much lower prices. You have to let the market catch back up. The more inventory a store has sitting on its shelves the lower the prices will be.

hahah. sorry you didn't prepare. Personally I still only buy ammo if its a good price, but I like to see people waste their money on overpriced stuff, that way when prices come down they won't have money to buy it and I can.
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Again, im not saying this to discourage anyone. Im just saying that if everyone nationwide takes a break on ammo purchase for a month to let supply catch up ammo can be hoarded at much lower prices. You have to let the market catch back up. The more inventory a store has sitting on its shelves the lower the prices will be.
A month? You really think that 1 month is all that is needed to fill all of the retailers and distributors that have been wiped out of all their inventory?

The current problem is not hoarding. That was happening before this Sandy Hook panic. You could not hoard if you wanted to right now. Not only is it almost impossible to find ammo but even when you do there are limits on how many boxes you can buy.

The so called "hoarders" are the smart ones that are still shooting regularly with their pre-panic priced ammo.
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A month? You really think that 1 month is all that is needed to fill all of the retailers and distributors that have been wiped out of all their inventory?

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Indeed.

That being said there's another factor at work on all of this; in non-liberal states the ammo situation is improving. There's still limits on how much one can buy but thing ARE easing up.

To compare, the situation in California and other gun control strongholds will only deteriorate with time. The antis have made it clear ammunition is one of their targets , and folks logically will buy every bullet they can get before Big Government shuts down the party with fees and permit denials. Ammo in California by this time next year will be cheap and plentiful; because only the brave and the elite will be legally permitted to buy any.
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Again, im not saying this to discourage anyone. Im just saying that if everyone nationwide takes a break on ammo purchase for a month to let supply catch up ammo can be hoarded at much lower prices. You have to let the market catch back up. The more inventory a store has sitting on its shelves the lower the prices will be.
I know I am late to this post but why is it that people are hoarding ammo and stores have inventory. I like to increase my "inventory" and rotate it just like stores. I am not a hoarder!
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I know I am late to this post but why is it that people are hoarding ammo and stores have inventory. I like to increase my "inventory" and rotate it just like stores. I am not a hoarder!
I am not hoarding, I am stocking up.
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Again, im not saying this to discourage anyone. Im just saying that if everyone nationwide takes a break on ammo purchase for a month to let supply catch up ammo can be hoarded at much lower prices. You have to let the market catch back up. The more inventory a store has sitting on its shelves the lower the prices will be.
It's not more people are getting into shooting, it's more people are buying ammo to profit. People who don't even own guns are buying ammo at Walmart's, etc. then selling it in the parking lot for double or triple! I know of one guy who makes an extra $500 a week doing this! Don't buy from the scalpers! Let them have it and sit on the stuff till they give it away because they can't use it!
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At our local Wal-Mart it's a feeding frenzy everytime they get ANY ammo in. There's a three box limit no matter what you buy. When the doors open, all the same chowderheads run for the sporting goods section, buying whatever they can get their hands on. I just stand back and smile because I "horded" my ammo long before the current shortage. Like some others I have enough stock to ride out the current "shortage"
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I just stand back and smile because I "horded" my ammo long before the current shortage. Like some others I have enough stock to ride out the current "shortage"
word. I chuckle at the 3-5 people standing at the walmart ammo shelf whenever I am there buying other stuff. They all have a 'lemming' look on their face, like someone popped their balloon. I also noticed the clerk answering their questions had a little chip on his sholder the last time I was there... like he has some sort of power over people who really want to buy ammo.
I'm still opportunistic. If I see some 9mm or a brick of 22 that is not at silly prices I add it to my collection.
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Can you hear and understand what you're saying?
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