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Just curious, where did you get this information?
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Not advocating for it or trying to be a Richard Cranium...but I really am interested in seeing the PC.
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Instead of trying to be joe bully who's going to "lay down the law" to the FFL, simply leave, call DOJ, tell them you were refused, and find another dealer...then let it go...why get in a twist over it???
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Personally, I would agree that you should leave and call the DOJ (or write a letter, which is more likely to get a response) AND inform others.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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You can't BUY marketing like that!
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From a similar thread here over a year ago.
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TO: ALL LICENSED FIREARMS DEALERS, CHIEFS OF POLICE, SHERIFFS OFFICES, DISTRICT ATTORNEYS This Information Bulletin is intended to remind dealers of their obligations regarding private party transfers including the 10-day waiting period and the fees that firearms dealers are permitted by law to charge when conducting these transfers. Firearms dealers are required to conduct private party transfers pursuant to Penal Code section 12071(b)(5). Dealers may not limit the days or hours in which private party transfers are conducted.
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If you look at the CA PC that was quoted here, it says that the FFL has to do a PPT upon request.
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From the same bulletin:
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I for one feel guilty if I don't buy or give extra business to FFL's that do legal time and fee PPT's w/o attitude. I just bought a $70 gun at Ammo Bros PPT and ended up spending another $60 in the shop, the dros fee of course, and I'm going to pick up abougt $20 worth of other trinkets when I go pick up. It's foolish to alienate customers especially long term loyal gun hobby ones. You can get away with that during the Obama craze,panic buying and gouging but not so much in this economy. I still spend $1000's every year on guns and accesories and ammo. Some places earn my business, some places I'd not piss on the owner and workers if they were on fire. Just as much as they hate PPT's, I hate doing them too but it's law. |
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I am sick of all of these complainings to our FFLs. I am mainly sick because OPs are going to complain and they don't mention the shops name.
This kind of post doesn't help the community if ever the shops are even doing what they are being complained at. I am not saying that this and other threads, like this, are invalid but can the OPs have the diligence to mention the shops name? What are they being afraid of?
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Not listing the FFLs name is a personal decision. Instead of making this post you could've just asked me via PM who the FFL was like many other people did.
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While a FFL can refuse to provide any service to a specific person for any reason or no reason, that does not allow the FFL to refuse to provide specific services which are required by law as a FFL under State law.
You could refuse to allow a person to go on your property or face trespassing charges. That way they could not request a PPT, but then they also could not buy anything else either. I have to wonder how it would be viewed if you refuse to provide ANY services to a specific person and then that person wants to do a PPT. Under the law, you can not refuse to do a PPT (unless it is for a handgun and you don't sell handguns) and you can not limit the days or hours for PPTs.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I posted something similar almost a year ago, I had this problem at "The Stockade" which also has the same owner as Fowlers. They refused to do a ppt because it was the weekend. I have purchased several guns and a safe from them, not to mention reloading material on a regular basis. I understand their position on not making money on the deal, but the day I was there for the ppt, three sales people were hanging out in the corner shooting the breeze, and the attitude in the air was incredible. I have not been there since, and the guy Bob who was the only nice knowledgeable guy there has since opened up "Field Time" gun shop right down the street. I highly recommend field time to anybody in the oc area, or ades, straightline tactical in anaheim does ffl to ffl for 50 dollars, and that includes dros. I hope this new competion in the area will spur stockade/fowlers to get their head out of their **S and start treating people right, as I dont wish for them to fold up shop. Competion is good in my book for the consumer.
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It is not legal for a place to refuse to do a PPT during normal business hours.
I would think that there should not be an issue for refusing to do a PPT if the FFL believed that the person was doing something illegal, such as a strawman purchase. The BATF says that you can refuse to do a transfer for anyone for any reason.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Yes they can refuse then. It's illegal to PPT a registered assault weapon.
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The place was violating the law by refusing to do the PPT without a valid reason as to why not. As said, the business can not limit the days or hours to do a PPT, but unless people report them, nothing will happen. If the DOJ refuses to do anything, then you need to complain to your elected politicians and keep going up the chain until something happens. Also, report this to any firearms rights organizations that you are a member of.
I doubt that a newspaper would publish a letter to the editor saying that the CA DOJ is refusing to enforce firearms laws in this case.
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I think we need a boycott thread and just throw these ffls under the bus. I have heard so many dumb thing its amazing. I have been in a FFL and the owner was yelling "paying customers i can help" and ignoring anyone else.
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I'm with kemasa on this...there are a number of reasons I might refuse to perform a PPT...but as has been stated, it's not what the main problem posed in this thread is.
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I'm not suprise. Ling's gun store in Hacienda Heights, when I called to ask for PPT he laughed and hung up on me. Never liked that store, can't touch anything, can't put your arm on the glass counter. Just an overall jerk. Can't believe I purchased my first gun from him. He will insult you if you don't spend big money on a nicer gun and call you cheap and a person like you should buy a gun like this blah blah blah. Worse experience ever.
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Transferring a registered assault weapon via a PPT is illegal. That is the example you gave.
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The point being...there are reasons I can refuse to do a PPT...that is an extreme example.
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I went in there a couple of years ago to look at handguns for my wife. I walked around the display cases while the employees were chatting. Finally got their attention, one pipes up "Help ya?" "Ya, I'm looking for a handgun for my wife" "I made that mistake once".... Then he walked out the door to light up a smoke!
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