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Old 06-22-2018, 10:17 PM
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Why cant I find any single shot 12ga shotguns in CA? Prior to moving here, I had a lot of fun chopping down old 12ga singleshots and shaving down stocks to birds head grips. Where I came from shotguns needed to be 26" overall and must have a 18" barrel. Can someone enlighten me and provide info on minimum legal lengths? Also, any local LA dealers who sell used single shots?!?
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It must be at least 26" overall length and must have a barrel 18" or longer, unless it is a registered / tax stamped NFA AOW

I got this single shot New England Firearms single shot 12ga off gunbroker. Chopped the barrel to 18.5" and chopped the stock down to about 12.5" LOP. I rebeaded it, ground the buttplate, and made the leather shell holder from some scraps.

It's pretty handy, and is CA legal



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It must be at least 26" overall length and must have a barrel 18" or longer, unless it is a registered / tax stamped NFA AOW

I got this single shot New England Firearms single shot 12ga off gunbroker. Chopped the barrel to 18.5" and chopped the stock down to about 12.5" LOP. I rebeaded it, ground the buttplate, and made the leather shell holder from some scraps.

It's pretty handy, and is CA legal





That looks awesome. Nice work. I really like the shell holder. I might have to dig out my leather tools.


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The sawed off singles are hiding in the outhouses back home.
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Nice set up! Finished product looks factory!
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Very nice, SkyHawk.
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I honestly remember noticing that prior to the swearing in of the previous administration, the racks of old $100 guns dried up - pretty sure there are still plenty of little boomsticks stashed away...
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Oh man, I scored one of those New England shotguns for 125$ never fired. It's a 18" rifle slugged gun. It's going to leave a mark.
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Oh man, I scored one of those New England shotguns for 125$ never fired. It's a 18" rifle slugged gun. It's going to leave a mark.
On your shoulder or the target?
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Very Nice work skyhawk! that is what im talking about!
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It must be at least 26" overall length and must have a barrel 18" or longer, unless it is a registered / tax stamped NFA AOW

I got this single shot New England Firearms single shot 12ga off gunbroker. Chopped the barrel to 18.5" and chopped the stock down to about 12.5" LOP. I rebeaded it, ground the buttplate, and made the leather shell holder from some scraps.

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I know where at least one of them is...

It's hidden but easily accessible.

Beautiful work SkyHawk!
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some of my chopped up projects, an old 50$ HR topper with alot of surface rust, soaked in vinegar and shined to a high polish and barrel shortened to 18.5... also, an unknown 85$ break action that I chopped to 18.5 and trimmed the fat off the stock... the thing kicked like a mule!
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Oh man, I scored one of those New England shotguns for 125$ never fired. It's a 18" rifle slugged gun. It's going to leave a mark.
That is a good deal for a new gun, even for a used gun. The prices are creeping up on these. I like the NEF / H&R singles because they have a good auto ejector. It will launch the empty shell about 6 - 10 feet.

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On your shoulder or the target?
Probably both! I made a long slug of lead weight with a spring buffer to put inside the stock of mine. It tamed the hammering I was taking quite a bit.
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It will launch the empty shell about 6 - 10 feet.

I made a long slug of lead weight with a spring buffer to put inside the stock of mine. It tamed the hammering I was taking quite a bit.

The ejectors are fun, aren't they! I roll the gun as I crack it open so I don't get hit in the face.

The first time I shot this with standard velocity 9-pellet double-aught, I laughed from the shock of being kicked so hard. I think part of it is the stock shape. These H&R/NEF are very similar, but with this one being made in 1940... I shoot it now using reduced recoil buck and slug, but I don't shoot it very often. It is indeed an outhouse gun or a truck gun. A last resort gun.






This one had a 32 inch! barrel on it and rather than 18" I went with a hack at 20". I dressed the cut on a disc sander, tapped a hole for the original brass bead and swabbed some cold blue on it.

If someone made a better stock for these things...
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Back when I was in a small Northeast state that only allows shotguns to be used for hunting I knew a respected Vietnam War veteran who swore by hunting with a simple break open 12 gauge shotgun.
He didn't specify any model in particular but I think his was a Harrington and Richardson / H&R (or possibly one of the newer NEF branded ones by basically the same company).

I belive he thought they were utterly reliable and the safest, regardless of anyone's skill level around firearms and I also think he had a "one shot-one kill" mindset.


Plus when you don't have a pump or semi-auto action to play with you start focusing on getting tight slug groups at the range.
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The ejectors are fun, aren't they! I roll the gun as I crack it open so I don't get hit in the face.

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This one had a 32 inch! barrel on it and rather than 18" I went with a hack at 20". I dressed the cut on a disc sander, tapped a hole for the original brass bead and swabbed some cold blue on it.

If someone made a better stock for these things...
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Man I love the older H&Rs like yours. I really dig those paddle levers. Those older ones go for good money if you find a nice example, and I didn't want to risk butchering one for my first attempt at an outhouse gun.

Mine was about 26" or 28". I chopped it with a hacksaw and squared it off with a Clymer facing tool that you chuck in a hand drill. That tool is awesome, it has a brass pilot bushing so you almost can't go wrong getting it square. Then I used a big stepped drill bit to slightly chamfer the cut on the inside edge, and a small diamond file around the outside edge, before I cold blued it. I went with a slightly larger bead from Brownells.
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Here you go, a single shot shotgun.

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