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Survival and Preparations Long and short term survival and 'prepping'. |
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Who's planning on rescuing friends in SHTF?
Here is another clip from the Goodbye World movie (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=894352). I am not planning on seeing it because I know I would find it too annoying to sit through, but it looks like it has some good examples of what might happen if your plan is flawed.
If my friends haven't made their own arrangements, I don't see why I should be responsible for them. Also, I anticipate making "new friends", really "new employees", after the crisis starts. I'd make this idiot clear new fields of rocks for 16 hours a day for two weeks before I would even begin to consider letting him stay on indefinitely. |
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We meet at a rendezvous point at a certain time. If they don't show, they have time to meet at 2nd point. If they aren't there... They is d-e-a-d. No rescuing going on in here...
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^^^^^This and doing best get them to prep ahead
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I think about this everyday. I will most likely have (if they show) 10-20 vets at my door asking me where's the ammo at.
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I have an extra pistol, rifle, and a shotgun for each person in my immediate family. After that they are on their own except my SO and children.
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If I rescue them.. who is keeping my family safe? Hard call....
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My Family and Brethren. We are bound by Religion and family. We have only their best interest at heart.
There is only strength in numbers, stand alone, die alone. It is good to see so many are not ready. Make no mistake, necessity is a cold hearted prick and keeps no friends. Your first self sufficiency reference guide should be a bible. |
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I'll just lop a grenade while you're all huddling in the cold and voila!!! No more!
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friends NO ( they are grown enough to make their own decisions on life) family immediate and extended yes most of my family are out of the state so we have meeting places in each state we all live in. to meet everyone has the directions and or has been to the spots before. I am sticking with the family as we are all hunters and fisherman and together we all provide a well established ground for survival.
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Most of my friends have stated they will come to me, so I guess I don't have to look for them.
However I did tell them if they come I ain't opening the door unless they are bring food, guns/ammo, female companionship...
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After a large destructive Earthquake here in Southern California, really the only situation that would be widespread, we plan to stay home and offer up help and food to anyone in need. Family, friends and strangers.
We could expect no electricity, no gas and/or electric. Roads could be torn up, with overpasses collapsed. Various areas will be on fire. Might be people hurt, car loads of families stranded far from home. They need food and shelter and my house is available. In our Orange County neighborhood I don't think any roaming gang members will be in our area on short notice and if we lived in South Central, I would tighten up a bit. Something like this could last several weeks and we are prepared.
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I would render aid to any who show up at my door but it won't be much -- maybe just a bite to eat. I would ask them to go out and search for supplies as I don't want them coming back around empty handed. In this way, I'll be helping them to help themselves as well as surrounding myself with a group of water carriers and materiel searchers. I would not want to be making any enemies during a time of great stress.
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Other than my immediate family I have no other family within a 1,000 miles of me, but I'd help a few close friends. In a shtf I might want a couple friends who are good shots to stay at my place, their places aren't nearly as secure.
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I have two sets of young friends. They're good people, the kind you'd WANT to be around after the dust settles, to help bring the world back online.
They've been alternately starving students, and taking care of ill aged parents and starting their own family. They have not had the years and money that I have had to "get ready". I'm going to need what they have to offer, and they're going to need what I have to offer. I don't hold it against them that they aren't as ready as I am, even so, they are doing what they can and making amazing progress. They know they're welcome at my place when the balloon goes up, but they also know they'll be required to participate and bring what they can, and they are pleased to have that opportunity. Would I take in just anybody? Hell no. Would I take in friends we've know for years, just because we've known them for years? I think not. But people who have the right mindset, who are doing what they can to be ready also? Who will be an asset and not a drain on resources? I can't stand a watch by myself 24/7 and even splitting it with the wife leaves precious little time for anything else. If I have to leave the house, I'm without someone to watch my six and she's without anyone to help hold down the fort. We need friends, and they will need us.
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No family lives close enough to worry about. My "friends" are of like mind as me and we already plan on getting together. Some non-prepared acquaintances have skills that will be useful and will be selectively accepted into the group.
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Yes, I think the "skills" aspect is key, along with their willingness to work and be loyal to you. You are trying to build some type of organization that replaces the functions of the society that has collapsed. One of the people on my short list to recruit would be a doctor, nurse or paramedic. It's a lot easier to stockpile medical supplies then it is to learn what to do with them. It wouldn't matter to me one bit whether this person had done any prepping themselves.
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I always debate this, in terms of numbers and food supplies.
On one hand, numbers is good, in terms of strength. But the more people you have, the more food they will eat. So if friends are planning to come to your place, be sure they know to keep a couple plastic storage containers of food to bring with them. I figure even someone living in an apartment, could have one or two of those plastic bins in a closet, full of canned food... Now if it's just a short-term SHTF, like an earthquake, I'd have no problem sharing my preps with friends who came by. |
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Friends, no.
My sister/husband, mother and aunt live in the SFV. I would make sure we all get together. Between us we have enough supplies spread out to survive a nice little disaster here and my brother in law's family has a farm somewhere else...and they are hard core preppers so if SHTF, we are making our way there (and yes, they have asked us to come). The cool thing is my mom stores food just out of habit (that pre/post WWII mentality) and since my father passed she's been learning how to use a gun. Like many of you, I always get the "Well if SHTF we are coming to your house" from our friends...but I always respond with "Well you'd better bring something pretty incredible to the table or you will have wasted you time getting here". I have to shake my head though when people admit that they see things going south and know they should be doing something but dont. |
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Ive tried to persuade my family and closest friends to prepare themselves for the unknown and only a select few have taken my advice. I can only do so much and dont have the space and disposable income to prepare for them. If I started taking on additional people, they would literally eat into my preps. I would probably give them a gun, ammo, and a small amount of food and water and send them on their way.
Anyone who wishes to join my "group" must supply something useful like food, water, or useful and needed skills. Its unfortunate, but at that point its all about surviving. |
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+1, agreed. And **** we're in the same neighborhood, we'll wave as we go by.
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Selectively, yes.
When people I know, especially those I work with, tell me they're going to head to my house in case of SHTF, I just tell them not to show up empty handed. No elaboration ...
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Selectively, yes.
When people I know, especially those I work with, tell me they're going to head to my house in case of SHTF, I just tell them not to show up empty handed. No elaboration ...
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People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome. --River Tam |
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Family, I'll always help out plus they will not be a burden as they have skills/supplies. All my friends will not need rescuing. Should their position become compromised, they know that they can fall back to mine with their provisions and be safe. Likewise I can do the same with them should I have to flee my position. Empty handed and no skill acquaintances/coworkers/people will not make it past the perimeter.
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I am a bug-in'er, not a bug-out'er.
I have advised a few select neighbors and friends on preparations, but have also advised them that if they do not prepare, under no circumstance will I have anything supplies to share. I guess that's what you'd call tough love. |
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So, then what happens when a neighbor, coworker, friend, shows with nothing in hand? Tough decision, as they can now be a threat, or at least draw attention to your residence...
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Let's remember that not everyone is out to get us, and it most likely will not be as bad as we see it in our minds WROL. I know we prep food. water, and guns for defense, but lets try to keep our empathy towards others as much as possible. Maybe prep some food and water bottles to get people you don't want moving along and out of your area. The reason we all (Just a hunch) want to CCW is to stop an evil threat to others and ourselves. I know I never forget my EDC knife, and practice quickly deploying, after my campus got shot up last year.
In my preparation for earthquake, we will all be bugging in for awhile in LA. The GF holds down the fort with my AR as I go out (armed of course) to ensure anyone in my vicinity needs help or dug out. If I am alone, I'm sure the GF would head here soon as she immediately realizes I'm not crazy, and prepping was a damn good idea. Probably the only good to come out of disaster is our vindication over ridicule of prepping. How do we address the event when people notice you are super comfortable bugging in awhile before bailing the city? Surely people will know you have supplies because you aren't running to the store, or the slightest worried. Is there a "nice", un-provoking way to let people know that they will not get anything without disclosing the firepower and defenses you have to protect your preps? Sorry for the novel length posting. Last edited by williamcm; 02-27-2014 at 7:03 PM.. |
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All you people need to watch this video to show you how quick things go south. Learn from it and don't make the same mistakes. The last 20 min or so is where you really see how it can go down.
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It's a "B" movie with lousy writing and poor acting, but a great example of how fast can things can get bad when the people of Los Angeles and the SFV awake to find no water coming out of their faucets. |
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Seen it already
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