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Old 07-22-2016, 9:18 PM
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so long as there is no exchange of money or any other form of compensation YES.
Why would that matter if the attendee has brought their own stripped 100% lower? There is no "firearm manufacturing" going on. Do you have a cite to support this rule?
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Why would that matter if the attendee has brought their own stripped 100% lower? There is no "firearm manufacturing" going on. Do you have a cite to support this rule?
Look up firearms manufacturing definition in Chapter 18 and 27 of the USC.

I've posted it many times,
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that's why my RAW AR's stayed with the standard trigger guard for years instead of switching over to the magpul guard.

I finally upgraded, but with the right tools and a bit of pucker factor involved
This seems to be an issue that alway pops up but can't for the life of me figure out why.

I assembled my first AR in 1994, I used dads tool in the garage and the Armors manual from the USMC. Didn't break anything but I also knew, More or less when to not beat a tiny roll pin to death I knew enough to stop and measure, those pins are the cheapest ones they make, better roll pins that are closer to what they are supposed to be and I don't mean to the hole size. Some of these cheep pins are are approaching 1/8" in diameter for a pin that is supposed to be .093"

I done know maybe it was my Grandfather yelling in my ear for 15 years every time I worked on something DON'T FORCE IT. If nothing else it made me stop and think
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Old 07-23-2016, 8:07 AM
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those pins are the cheapest ones they make, better roll pins that are closer to what they are supposed to be and I don't mean to the hole size.
Some of these cheep pins are are approaching 1/8" in diameter for a pin that is supposed to be .093"
Bolt stop roll pins are supposed to be 3/32".
Triggergaurd roll pins are supposed to be 1/8".
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Bolt stop roll pins are supposed to be 3/32".
Triggergaurd roll pins are supposed to be 1/8".
I wasn't calling out a specific pin, Just stating that the cheeper one are grossly over sized. i've seen .125 pins that are in the .150 range, to small to be a 5/32" but to big to fit in a 1/8" hole.

I usually toss the pins in a LPK and use my own
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I wasn't calling out a specific pin, Just stating that the cheeper one are grossly over sized. i've seen .125 pins that are in the .150 range, to small to be a 5/32" but to big to fit in a 1/8" hole.

I usually toss the pins in a LPK and use my own
I know what you are talking about.
I believe those are the chinese parts kits and that they are actually metric pins that LOOK about the right size to a person without calipers.
I have taken to measuring pins when I assemble lowers to catch those problem pins before they become a problem.
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I know what you are talking about.
I believe those are the chinese parts kits and that they are actually metric pins that LOOK about the right size to a person without calipers.
I have taken to measuring pins when I assemble lowers to catch those problem pins before they become a problem.
that's make sense, and Yeah I measure them and toss them out.
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After you finish learning on YouTube and break your lower, you can search YouTube for the video to fix it:

I wish I could count the times customers complained over the years that our lowers were defective because they broke putting in the trigger guard. I seriously get one a month at least.
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Why would that matter if the attendee has brought their own stripped 100% lower? There is no "firearm manufacturing" going on. Do you have a cite to support this rule?
I will help you out.

Per the BATFE assembling or fitting parts to a frame or receiver is manufacturing which if done for someone else you need a type 7 FFL, engrave the frame or receiver with your FFL info, do a 4473 to transfer and in CA DROS.

No you should not assemble someone else's lowers, same as milling them for someone in the BATFE's eyes.
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I will help you out.

Per the BATFE assembling or fitting parts to a frame or receiver is manufacturing which if done for someone else you need a type 7 FFL, engrave the frame or receiver with your FFL info, do a 4473 to transfer and in CA DROS.

No you should not assemble someone else's lowers, same as milling them for someone in the BATFE's eyes.
Yet people don't seem to get that.
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Dang that's harsh! Can't help your buddy change out his handguard or grip? Everyone has to do their own conversion to featureless themselves or go to a licenced gunsmith who has to then engrave his info onto the lower even if it's already a completed and engraved commercial lower? That really does not sound quite right, but at this point, that is somehow no longer surprising.
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Dang that's harsh! Can't help your buddy change out his handguard or grip? Everyone has to do their own conversion to featureless themselves or go to a licenced gunsmith who has to then engrave his info onto the lower even if it's already a completed and engraved commercial lower? That really does not sound quite right, but at this point, that is somehow no longer surprising.
You didn't read a damn thing did you??

You can help with parts and assembly but as soon as you accept compensation you're done.
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Old 07-28-2016, 8:11 AM
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You didn't read a damn thing did you??

You can help with parts and assembly but as soon as you accept compensation you're done.
Here is a little something just published today.
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Here is a little something just published today.
Ok
1. Never quote that crap unless you are quoting code, law, or regs,
2. Itar has always been applied to 07 FFL holder which are manufactures.
3. The BATFE Gets real pissy when an 01 FFL holder manufactures firearms for distribution or transfer.
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Ok
1. Never quote that crap unless you are quoting code, law, or regs,
2. Itar has always been applied to 07 FFL holder which are manufactures.
3. The BATFE Gets real pissy when an 01 FFL holder manufactures firearms for distribution or transfer.
From what I read, it looks like they want to make 01 FFL gunsmiths pay ITAR for "non-manufacturing" gunsmithing ie "Machine work".
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From what I read, it looks like they want to make 01 FFL gunsmiths pay ITAR for "non-manufacturing" gunsmithing ie "Machine work".
Well now that's going to suck
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lol..
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The question that I still have not gotten an answer of....

If the 80% lower gets drilled a half an inch in to the trigger control group pocket it then becomes a "firearm", then you can have some one help?
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I don't understand what you don't understand. The law says YOU must FINISH the Firearm YOURSELF, not start it and have someone else finish it. I guess people don't understand, If you don't want the DOG to bite Don't F**k with him.
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If i had the tools Id try my hand at completing one.
And if I understand correctly you cant go to a machine shop and use their tools to complete one either?
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NO by law, but I wouldn't advertise it.
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