7.7 Jap

[serjm1a1]

Hi all,


I know this is a long shot, but does anyone know where I can buy some 7.7 Jap at a local gun store? or if anyone knows anyone selling some?

On a side note. I finally took my K98 to the range today, and I got to say, its a great rifle! You can't beat C&R's

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[Freedom_shooter]

Ammo bros had it last time I asked. Pricey but available.

Good luck!

[serjm1a1]

Originally Posted by Freedom_shooter

Ammo bros had it last time I asked. Pricey but available.

Good luck!

really? I will give them a call asap!

[aeropro90]

Be careful of them reloads ammo bros in cerritos has I bought some and every single round failed to fire in my 99 and they wouldn't refund my money back even after I showed them a video that's the only problem I've ever had with ammo bros keep away from there 7.7

[serjm1a1]

Originally Posted by aeropro90

Be careful of them reloads ammo bros in cerritos has I bought some and every single round failed to fire in my 99 and they wouldn't refund my money back even after I showed them a video that's the only problem I've ever had with ammo bros keep away from there 7.7

Good warning. They didn't have any in stock...I will be patient and buy some online...I also just got my Lee reloading kit, so I should be able to reload my own soon.

[Springfield45]

You might consider taking up reloading. It really pays for itself if you are doing obsolete calibers that are hard to find. Check out Midway USA and Graf and Sons for supplies.

[serjm1a1]

Originally Posted by Springfield45

You might consider taking up reloading. It really pays for itself if you are doing obsolete calibers that are hard to find. Check out Midway USA and Graf and Sons for supplies.

I just received my Lee press kits. Just need the dies and supplies.

[Rogerbutthead]

Note: Some 7.7mm Arisakas have slightly oversized chambers - thus my two Arisakas, my reloads (using a Lee hand loader) from one will not chamber in the other. YMMV good luck.

[aghauler]

Originally Posted by serjm1a1

Good warning. They didn't have any in stock...I will be patient and buy some online...I also just got my Lee reloading kit, so I should be able to reload my own soon.

Check Graf & Sons

If they don't have it in stock you can signup for email notification when it comes in. I've scored all I'll need that way. Reloadable also!

[Milsurp Collector]

Originally Posted by serjm1a1

I just received my Lee press kits. Just need the dies and supplies.

You should order the brass now. It is often out of stock but Grafs has some Prvi brass in stock now https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog...roductId/75152 Once they are out of stock again it could be gone for months.

Some helpful people will suggest forming 7.7 Japanese brass out of .30-06 brass but I think it is better to have brass with the correct 7.7 headstamp if you are also going to be using .30-06 ammo in your US rifles. It avoids unnecessary confusion and mixing up of brass.

The Hornady Handbook https://www.amazon.com/Hornady-99240...8690793&sr=8-1 has load data for 7.7 Japanese.

[musketjon]

It's simple to make 7.7 Jap from 30.06 brass. It is literally this easy: run 30.06 brass into a 7.7 FL sizing die. Trim to length. I've done it. Trust me, it works well.
Jon

[gun toting monkeyboy]

you can get the Lee case trimming tools for less than $20. And I have used that and the does to make brass out of .30-06 cases for years. I use old surplus brass without the commercial .30-06 headstamp to help me tell them apart. Some of it dates back to the 1940s, and it still works just fine. I believe Hornady also sells loaded ammunition for this caliber.

-Mb

[Ora Serrata]

Lytle creek range had a couple boxes in stock last month. $45 per box.

[serjm1a1]

Thanks for all the advice. I have some 30-06 brass that I can convert. Looking forward to reloading!

[Nevada Hudson]

Sometimes Cabala's has it in stock in their stores.

[M1NM]

Originally Posted by musketjon

It's simple to make 7.7 Jap from 30.06 brass. It is literally this easy: run 30.06 brass into a 7.7 FL sizing die. Trim to length. I've done it. Trust me, it works well.
Jon

This - but your LEE won't last long. Get an RCBS Rockchucker. I used a Forester trimmer that I took the handle off and ran with a drill - much quicker. If you use the LEE resize commercial brass. It's softer than the surplus M1 stuff.
I used 30-06 for 7.7Jap - 7.65 Argentine Mauser and 8mm Mauser.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

One thing to note about reloading 7.7 Japanese. It was loaded to the same approximate levels as .303 British by the Japanese. So you are looking at a 180 grain bullet moving at about 2,400 fps. However, because it is an Arisaka action, you do NOT have to keep it at those levels. Many of the manufacturers out there load it to .30-06 levels, where that same bullet is moving at 2,500-2,800 fps. This is perfectly safe in those guns, provided they are in good condition. Use reloading data from reputable sources, and you will be fine, regardless of which level you decide to go with. I personally reduce the loads by about 10% when I am using home made brass. But that is more to save my brass than because of concerns about the rifle.

-Mb

[Hinnerk]

There is only one place near me that had 7.7 Jap ammo when I checked a couple years ago. I went straight to reloading and used PPU brass. As noted, the chambers can be oversized and my rifle has one of those. I believe that 30-06 brass has a head diameter a bit smaller than 7.7 Jap so factor that in, too, when considering reforming brass. In my rifle, even the PPU brass swells considerably when fired. Some people wrap tape around the head before the first firing to help center the cartridge in the chamber so it isn't lop-sided after fire-forming. So far I have not done this but plan to in the future.

[six seven tango]

I got several hundred rounds of 7.7 online several years ago and have been reloading that brass since. Don't remember who it was, but ammo to go has some now. It's not cheap though.

[6mmintl]

You have to reload if you want to play in the C&R sandbox.

Commercial/custom ammo is expensive and sometimes marginal on accuracy/quality, especially agravating if you ant to compete in local competitions.

3006 is excelent brass for forming 7.7, one of the benifits of using U.S. Military brass is tge case necks will be thicker and in essence enhance accuracy due to most all military chambers being big/oversize.

Annealing necks after sizing/trimming is recomended to save brass from cracking and extend life.

Get your self a redding 300 wsm ( "button/donut) neck sizing die and start neck sizing after first firing, buy additional sizing buttons (.001" smaller) then actual measured loaded cartridge neck dimension. Each lot/mfg. Of brass may have different thickness requireing a smaller or larger button

[Hinnerk]

6mmintl,

Is there anywhere to just buy the Redding neck sizing S-die and not a set? Those things are expensive. I've been thinking about doing this and possibly also for 303 British and 8x58R Danish Krag. Probably there is no single S-die that will give enough clearance for all three cartridges and also range of allowable sizing bushings.

Several months ago I was fortunate to find a few hundred pulled down, never fired pieces of Lake City match 30-06 brass (they came with the 4 ammo cans that were the target of my purchase). I have no rifles in 30-06 so I was thinking of conversion to 7.7 Jap but only if some tests prove they won't expand too severely in my Arisaka.

[6mmintl]

Try Niel jones custom products, tell him you just want a short 1.5" long button die with a long decapper rod and die opening (straight hole) 348 dia. Or bigger to just decap and neck size various odd ball euro cartridges.

I make my own buttons and die holders or adapt existing die bodys (aneal and bore), and make custom buttons for shoulder bumbing.

I load 41 swiss, 6.5 dutch, 8x58rd, kropatchek, 8.14x45/6r, etc.

Lots of oddball euro .325 -.330 bullet dia. Mil carts.

[6mmintl]

You can try finding just the die body direct from redding, most all buttons are same dia. Hole sizes vary and may be not offered by the major mfgs.

Niel jones will make you custon dias and also do shoulder angles for bumping back case forming.

I have my own lathe so do my own buttons


UOTE=Hinnerk;19783986]6mmintl,

Is there anywhere to just buy the Redding neck sizing S-die and not a set? Those things are expensive. I've been thinking about doing this and possibly also for 303 British and 8x58R Danish Krag. Probably there is no single S-die that will give enough clearance for all three cartridges and also range of allowable sizing bushings.

Several months ago I was fortunate to find a few hundred pulled down, never fired pieces of Lake City match 30-06 brass (they came with the 4 ammo cans that were the target of my purchase). I have no rifles in 30-06 so I was thinking of conversion to 7.7 Jap but only if some tests prove they won't expand too severely in my Arisaka.[/QUOTE]

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Some day a member will post a simple question about where to buy ammo without getting long winded, tiresome, and repetitive lectures about reloading.

[bigbossman]

Originally Posted by Bobby Ricigliano

Some day a member will post a simple question about where to buy ammo without getting long winded, tiresome, and repetitive lectures about reloading.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index....le-ammo-77-jap

http://ammoseek.com/ammo/7.7x58mm

[aghauler]

Originally Posted by Bobby Ricigliano

Some day a member will post a simple question about where to buy ammo without getting long winded, tiresome, and repetitive lectures about reloading.

Yes and they won't have to justify why they don't reload

[6mmintl]

[Someday people whom dont know about reloading will just stop blathering about what they read about c& r's and try the total experience of collecting and shooting their c&r's.instead of being a smartass.



QUOTE=Bobby Ricigliano;19805647]Some day a member will post a simple question about where to buy ammo without getting long winded, tiresome, and repetitive lectures about reloading.[/QUOTE]

[Bobby Ricigliano]

I can't see what permanent lifetime ignore list honorees write , but I will throw out a few guesses:

Fractured sentence?
Disjointed, confused grammar?
Frustrated expletives resulting from the inability to articulate a linear thought?

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Originally Posted by bigbossman

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index....le-ammo-77-jap

http://ammoseek.com/ammo/7.7x58mm

That is pricey! I got about 200 rounds of new ammo from Graf's and Ventura Munitions within the last year or so and I still have most of it. None was more than about $24 per box. When I accumulate more empty brass I will give it to a fellow CG'er who reloads.

[major burnout]

Originally Posted by Bobby Ricigliano

Some day a member will post a simple question about where to buy ammo without getting long winded, tiresome, and repetitive lectures about reloading.

Reloading? Aint nobody got time for dat!

[Nevada Hudson]

Spoke with the owner of MIWALLCORP of Grass Valley at the Big Reno Gun Show. He told me that he is considering carrying 7.7 Jap, as he gets a lot of requests for it at gun shows. Contact him and let him know you are interested in Miwall carrying it @ (530) 273-1047 or www.miwallcorp.com
They have better prices that I can get from the big national venders for my C&R ammo !

[aghauler]

Originally Posted by Nevada Hudson

Spoke with the owner of MIWALLCORP of Grass Valley at the Big Reno Gun Show. He told me that he is considering carrying 7.7 Jap, as he gets a lot of requests for it at gun shows. Contact him and let him know you are interested in Miwall carrying it @ (530) 273-1047 or www.miwallcorp.com
They have better prices that I can get from the big national venders for my C&R ammo !

Got mine through Grafs and Midway for about $30 delivered.

I "think" Wally that runs the Japanese table at the Reno gun shows sells for $35-45/20. I bought a couple boxes from him until I discovered Grafs and other resources which weren't reloads of any kind.

Stopped by to say thanks for all the C&R help and goodbye to Dan and Sunrise Pass Arms, he still has M1 Carbines on the rack! Moving to New Mexico a week from today!!!!!

[aghauler]

Reloading? Will debate that with myself in the future. This small pile of ammo has lasted well over 30 years without ever coming up short, except for the 22 lr BS, which is now WELL covered. Accessibility to a shooting range will change when I get to NM so some of this will disappear. Also think as I use up the ammo I'll thin the herd a little more. Organizing the Move of 3 large security cabinets and this HAZMAT pile to ABQ has been a challenge and hoping it all goes well! The 7.7 and 6.5 Jap are all in the 50 cal can end of middle row left side it's been full for a very long time also.

Problem is there is a10 day span between closing escrow here and closing escrow in ABQ.

[wpage]

+on reloading...

Go for it.

[serjm1a1]

I have me lee reloading kit, I will buy the dies soon......looking forward to it...going to start with 30-06 for my garand first and go from there.

[bigbossman]

As a side note on reloading 7.7 Jap in re-formed 30-06 cases.

I know that it is "accepted wisdom" that this can be done easily and is a safe thing to do. I did it myself when I started reloading 7.7 Jap, because all the internet experts said it was the thing to do to save money. Everything worked just fine........until I had a couple of cases rupture and send gas and debris directly through the back of the bolt and into my face. I was wearing shooting glasses so my eyes were uninjured, but I spent about a half hour in front of the mirror popping little balls of unburned powder out from under the skin on my face.

The thing is, a 30-06 case is not fully supported in the 7.7 Jap chamber. The 30-06 web is .470, while the 7.7 Jap is .472. You will get a rather large bulge in the web area if you use 30-06 casings for 7.7 Jap. and will be playing Russian Roulette every time you pull the trigger.

7.7 Jap brass is readily available, and only about $1/piece. If you really want to pinch pennies, use the 30-06. Just do so with the knowledge that it isn't a necessarily safe practice, and it really isn't a necessary practice at all.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Originally Posted by aghauler

Reloading? Will debate that with myself in the future. This small pile of ammo has lasted well over 30 years without ever coming up short, except for the 22 lr BS, which is now WELL covered. Accessibility to a shooting range will change when I get to NM so some of this will disappear. Also think as I use up the ammo I'll thin the herd a little more. Organizing the Move of 3 large security cabinets and this HAZMAT pile to ABQ has been a challenge and hoping it all goes well! The 7.7 and 6.5 Jap are all in the 50 cal can end of middle row left side it's been full for a very long time also.

Problem is there is a10 day span between closing escrow here and closing escrow in ABQ.

That is a nice stash of ammo. Well played. I stick to Uncle Joe's advice and just keep a box of birdshot for my side by side. He said that is all I would ever need and I believe him.

[serjm1a1]

Originally Posted by bigbossman

As a side note on reloading 7.7 Jap in re-formed 30-06 cases.

I know that it is "accepted wisdom" that this can be done easily and is a safe thing to do. I did it myself when I started reloading 7.7 Jap, because all the internet experts said it was the thing to do to save money. Everything worked just fine........until I had a couple of cases rupture and send gas and debris directly through the back of the bolt and into my face. I was wearing shooting glasses so my eyes were uninjured, but I spent about a half hour in front of the mirror popping little balls of unburned powder out from under the skin on my face.

The thing is, a 30-06 case is not fully supported in the 7.7 Jap chamber. The 30-06 web is .470, while the 7.7 Jap is .472. You will get a rather large bulge in the web area if you use 30-06 casings for 7.7 Jap. and will be playing Russian Roulette every time you pull the trigger.

7.7 Jap brass is readily available, and only about $1/piece. If you really want to pinch pennies, use the 30-06. Just do so with the knowledge that it isn't a necessarily safe practice, and it really isn't a necessary practice at all.

Sounds like you didn't anneal your brass. I could be wrong though. I just set up my reloading rig and I am beyond green...

[CPRAFAN]

Google "Hammond Game Getter" - roll your own plinking rounds for 5 cents a shot. May have to send the manufacturer a cartridge if it is rare for duplication.

[bigbossman]

Originally Posted by serjm1a1

Sounds like you didn't anneal your brass. I could be wrong though. I just set up my reloading rig and I am beyond green...

How would annealing the brass keep the web from blowing out? Annealing is for the case necks, not the base/web. Annealed case neck or not, the web is not properly supported in the chamber.