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Old 02-22-2013, 11:29 AM
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Default Mag Ban L.A. - City meeting 2/22

Just heard a clip on the radio. Any info or know where to find the stream/repost for this?

If this is a dupe. delete it.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/...-magazine-ban/
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Wait...

They are trying to ban 'high-capacity' magazines which are already banned unless you had them pre-2000?

Is that accurate?
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They want to ban possession in addition to selling, transferring, importing, etc.
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They want to ban possession in addition to selling, transferring, importing, etc.
Ah so they are going after rebuild kits on a local level? Sneaky...
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State Preemption. On a side note man am I glad I live in NorCal where I only have to suffer these commode on a state level.
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It looks like the meeting may have been to hear testimony relating to a motion to ask the City Attorney to research the "feasibility, effectiveness and benefits of an ordinance to prohibit the possession of high-capacity ammunition magazines within the City of Los Angeles."

The original motion requesting the research is at:

http://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...T_01-15-13.pdf

The audio (requires Windows) of the meeting looks like it can be found at:

http://www.lacity.org/government/Ele...aCategory=1814

(scroll down to the "on-demand" section and click the link for "audio" next to "Public Safety" -- I'm on a mobile device right now so I can't get the audio)
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:38 PM
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how about they just ban all magazine its not a second amendment issue after all
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:41 PM
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“I think that issue is pretty well resolved, that regulation of magazines is not going to involve any Second Amendment concerns or anything like that,” said Krekorian. “It’s really more an issue of where the boundary of city jurisdiction and state jurisdiction may be.”

Good gawd, I am so glad I am leaving this city and this state.
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Doesnt P.I. + preemption = $CGF?
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I'll listen later. I just heard a clip on 1070am with a lady saying something to the effect of "any magazine turns a rifle or handgun into a killing machine"
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By the time they want a meeting they already made up their mind. Most likly itll pass....like in Denver.
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What are your guys' feelings on something like this sticking if it passes?
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Default Preemption Again

I read any municipal ordinance as conflicting with the state's assault weapon law, which permits "grandfathered" magazines, as well as 53071 Government Code on registration and licensing.
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The more they try, the more they will fail and benefit our side.

This is a complex game and as much as ill-advised litigation by weak plaintiffs and inexperienced councils can hurt our side, an unknowledgeable stubborn legislator can hurt the other side.

The current attack on our rights is about "cultural acceptance," where they demonize the way some firearms look. This will NOT pass any constitutional muster in the long run, so the more they blunder around, the more openings they give us.
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37:50 is where it starts
http://lacity.granicus.com/MediaPlay...&clip_id=11376
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I can't believe that we just found out about this today. I have worked with my District Representative in the past and will contact him directly about opposing anything even remotely related to this, and suggest you do the same.
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I can't believe that we just found out about this today. I have worked with my District Representative in the past and will contact him directly about opposing anything even remotely related to this, and suggest you do the same.
Sometimes it's just as useful for dumb gun control laws to pass - don't stand between useful idiots and 2A precedent.

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We did have someone from Calguns there...

But these guys have already made their decision.. City ordinance making "high capacity" mags a nuisence. DA is in favor of ANY gun control attempts... We need more control over guns and ammo. ....

= we need more control over the people

guess 200 guns bought a day by Angelinos...Now talking about the Ammo logs and how to automate the system.. in the works.
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Mag Ban in LA = state preemption cancels it out = more $$$ for CGF to she the state when the latest round of crap passes
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Isn't this a violation of my 4th amendment right?
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Default L.A. To Ban Possession Of "High Capacity" Magazines. What Constitution?

Los Angeles City Councilman Paul Krekorian, wants to ban the possession of all magazines, that gun prohibitionists love to term “high capacity.” Never mind state preemption, and the fact that sale and manufacturer of magazines that hold more than ten rounds, is already illegal in the state.

These people want to criminalize possession of legal property. They don't seem to care about the fact that we have a Consitution in this nation and that they are on the wrong side of it. They didn't learn from San Francisco getting smacked down for preemption. It's only tax payer money. The LA Times has an article on more specifics.
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They want all of your guns. They always have, but they knew that would not fly in the past so they settled for the restrictions they could get.
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But they never settle on the restrictions they could get. If so they would not be wanting so much more now.
They are like the terminator. They won't stop until you are dead. No pain or remorse or pity.
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But they never settle on the restrictions they could get. If so they would not be wanting so much more now.
They are like the terminator. They won't stop until you are dead. No pain or remorse or pity.
Actually, it's more like they're just pathetic. Living in a world of no consequences. Reality doesn't exist in utopia and inanimate objects are responsible for people's actions.
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Linked from Daily City News.

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"It will make sure when crimes happen, we can minimize the ramifications by minimizing the number of victims we see," Krekorian said.
Nothing is surprising with gun prohibitionists but I'm still stunned at the completely ridiculous comments.

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Chief Deputy City Attorney Bill Carter said his office will prepare a measure within 10 days based on state nuisance laws to ban the magazines.
Yeah, they're being cautious about state preemption all right.
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Here's a text of the motion from January 15 in case you want to see it. This seems to be some of what I read at some media outlets.

Proposed by Paul Krekorian, supported by Mike Feuer, Paul Koretz, City Attorney Carmen Trutanich.



Using the 1997 bank robbery shootout, is the level of reasoning we can expect from the political group think where such people attempt to use emotion, no matter that there was a federal "assault weapon" ban in place.

You'd get the idea that those like Paul Krekorian, would rather blame inanimate objects instead of taking a look at bad policies, and concentrate on holding individuals accountable for their actions. Reasoning that's right in line with public servants that don't intend to be held accountable themselves.

Such "liberals" continually exploit the deaths of children and people victimized, when such terrible events like Newton are anomalies, all to push a gun ban agenda. When there's an astronomical number of murders, attributed to the typical violent criminals, in a large city with gangs. It's certainly not the inanimate objects. No Constitution for residents of Los Angeles according to them.

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Why couldn't they ban having a scope, or sights for that matter. Also ban triggers...........
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Just heard a clip on the radio. Any info or know where to find the stream/repost for this?

If this is a dupe. delete it.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/...-magazine-ban/
Originally, the articles' headline stated they wanted to ban 'high capacity ammunition'

Stupid idiotic LA politicians and their stupid idiotic mouthpiece LA Times
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State Preemption. On a side note man am I glad I live in NorCal where I only have to suffer these commode on a state level.
LA is the western US commode.
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Geez man. Sighting the NH shoot out? Those were once again illegal weapons and mags.

We don't sell full auto rifles in CA.
We don't sell drum mags in CA.

Fact: Criminals don't obey laws. Only law abiding citizens do.
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Fact: Criminals don't obey laws. Only law abiding citizens do.
Except that gungrabber libtard ****s don't seem to care about facts. I can see them sitting around their wine parties toasting each other on how one a-hole killing a bunch of kids enabled them to disarm America.
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Federal law supersedes State law, is that correct? If that is true, and we know there is no federal limitations on semi auto rifles and no limitations on magazine capacity.

Just like CA has the 420 compassionate care act but it's still illegal regardless of what the state says.

It's way too simple so I know it can't work that way but "why not"? Why can't it be reverse action?

Does it only work when laws are more restrictive at state level vs federal? Because that didn't work out for the anti same sex marriage bill that got overturned in CA courts.

In my mind, Federal law does not prohibit the ownership of semi automatic rifles of any make that I know of or have a capacity limit for those rifles. So you would have the Federal law on your side, Federal law supersedes.

Ok, tell me why it doesn't work that way.

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Federal law supersedes State law, is that correct? If that is true, and we know there is no federal limitations on semi auto rifles and no limitations on magazine capacity.

Just like CA has the 420 compassionate care act but it's still illegal regardless of what the state says.

It's way too simple so I know it can't work that way but "why not"? Why can't it be reverse action?

Does it only work when laws are more restrictive at state level vs federal? Because that didn't work out for the anti same sex marriage bill that got overturned in CA courts.

In my mind, Federal law does not prohibit the ownership of semi automatic rifles of any make that I know of or have a capacity limit for those rifles. So you would have the Federal law on your side, Federal law supersedes.

Ok, tell me why it doesn't work that way.

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"Does it only work when laws are more restrictive at state level vs federal? " This, pretty much. See, for example, the current Federal posture on marijuana dispensaries in California.

"Because that didn't work out for the anti same sex marriage bill that got overturned in CA courts" (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...n_8_%282008%29) but "So you would have the Federal law on your side, Federal law supersedes. "

You had it right the first time: to make that work, need a suit in Federal Court.
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Thanks.

Lemme see if I get this straight: If a person gets jacked up in CA law that is specific to CA law, Federal law doesn't apply because no federal laws were broken...? it's not a Federal case?

Dealing with a bad cold, so forgive me if I'm slower than usual.
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