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Old 11-28-2014, 2:38 PM
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Hi Everyone,

Weather you are driving to grandma's house or just a quick jaunt across town, this holiday had me thinking about carrying when driving long or short distances. How do you all carry that would allow you easy access to your gun when you drive, especially for those of you who carry at 3 or 4 o'clock position? Do you upholster your gun first or do you just drive with your gun at it's current position?

And if you do drive with your gun holstered at the 4 or 4 o'clock position, how do you go about accessing it quickly when you need it?

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Old 11-28-2014, 3:11 PM
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I carry at 3:30.

It's comfortable for me when I drive. I dont drive 'ghetto' like I'm in a lazy boy recliner.......

I can shift in the seat and turn my hip and access. The draw is more difficult since the pressure on the holster... but I can get it.
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I used to always carry at 3:00 but it ends up moving to 4:00 and its more comfortable so now I carry at about 4:00. to and from work and out and about. If i have to drive longer i usually un-holster and stick it under my left leg between the seat. or door panel pocket.
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Training...However you carry normally , is how you should carry while driving.This is where dry fire pays off....
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For OWB just slide it forward to 3:00 and make sure you're not sitting on your shirt so you can lift it if needed. Then as you get out of the car slide it back to 4:00. Do that before you get all the way out so you are not making obvious observable adjustments in sight of anyone.

IWB seems to be OK staying in 4:00 position in the car for me. I just make sure it is canted forward enough and again, not sitting on my shirt.

I tried appendix carry in the car and it has advantages but just not that comfortable for me.
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I carry a KAHR P380 in a Sneaky Pete loaded with Cor Bon DPX. To me, this combo is hard to beat. Easy to carry on the passenger seat. Easy on and off the belt. Easy when using the head. My other CCW guns are a G26 & G36 in Crossbreed IWB SuperTucks. I generally don't carry the Glocks, because the SP is so grab and go.

I also carry an additional mag for these in SP magazine covers in the front pocket.
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Some good suggestions here. But how do you guys get past the belt buckle if you are carrying at 3:00 or 4:00? I would think that buckle would hamper your draw unless you take the time to unfasten your belt.

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I appendix carry and i just hike up my pants for the car ride.
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Just put it in the door pocket very accessible and not visible to other drivers.
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If I'm doing a long drive I move my serpa to cross draw at about 11o'clock.
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I carry at the 8:30 position (left handed) and it doesn't bother me there. On long drives I will put my firearm in a remora in the door side pocket and replace it on my hip when I get out.
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Some good suggestions here. But how do you guys get past the belt buckle if you are carrying at 3:00 or 4:00? I would think that buckle would hamper your draw unless you take the time to unfasten your belt.

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You mean the seat belt?

For me, it's close, but not in the way.
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Old 11-28-2014, 6:37 PM
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I think your chosen vehicle plays a big part of this. In my daily driver pickup, the seat belt is never in the way and my 4:00 carry is very comfortable and easily accessible. If I'm driving my car though, it's a whole different story. I have bolstered seats that are designed to keep you in place and as such, they cause my carry to poke into my side and it places the seat belt into a position that also goes right over my gun. I'm now starting to put my carry in the door when in the car.
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I put my XDs in between my seats. I then cover it with a hoodie or what ever to keep it concealed. Easiest way to get to it if I need it.
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I carry at 3 position and keep it there when driving. If driving into a questionable area it will go in my center console or under my leg.
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3:30 here, I'm driving right now( passenger) coming back from AZ. Kahr PM9
IWB remorsa holster.. I can get it out if I need it.

Like lineman said, I don't carry my 26 much anymore. This gun is so easy to conceal and grab to go, plus it's very comfortable.
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9:00 high....

in a shoulder rig!!


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I stuff a second gun in a holster between seat and console. Problem solved.
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The seat belt buckle is far enough forward in my vehicle.
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I just put mine on the seat under my left leg
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Short trips, leave it IWB @ 4 o'clock. Longer I move it to the door panel pocket.
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I just put mine on the seat under my left leg
I've heard of people doing that as well; especially for short car trips. However, I also heard that it may increase the risk of an AD during an auto accident; especially if it was a serious collision.

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I think your chosen vehicle plays a big part of this. If I'm driving my car though, it's a whole different story. I have bolstered seats that are designed to keep you in place and as such, they cause my carry to poke into my side and it places the seat belt into a position that also goes right over my gun.
And hence is my problem. I do have bolstered seats, but it doesn't cause my carry to poke into my sides nor is my seat belt positioned over my gun. However, if I ever needed to access my gun fast while in my car, I would need to lean forward, clear my shirt from my gun, and then draw my gun without it getting snagged in the overlapping seat belts. IMO, that's inefficient and sloppy; especially when you are under stress.

Like I said, I just want to know how the rest of you LTCs address this problem while traveling? Thanks all

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In my SUV, just like normal. OWB at 4 o'clock.

In my sports car, I remove from holster and put it in the elastic pocket in the front of the bucket seat. Holds it securely, concealed, and to reach it I just reach between my knees.
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As a 30 retired LEO I don't suggest anyone leave your sidearm unsecured, off your body.

What if your is in a vehicle accident; unconscious and now your gun is lying loose while you may or may not be carried off to the hospital or during a collision it was flung forward onto the floor and now your fumbling for it. What if you have kids in the car or strangers..the list goes on!

LEO's drive for a living. Ever see or hear of one of them unholstering and placing their gun anywhere other than their body?? Try exiting the vehicle FAST while fumbling with your seat belt and trying to locate your gun in one of a variety of places you put it depending upon where you decided to place it on that day.

I worked dope for a number of years and carried in the small of my back (holster & loose) and never had a problem getting to it even with a seatbelt on.
It was never where anyone else could get to it or even see it.

While we're on the subject of Vehicle Carry; Practice loading, tactical and otherwise; try chambering a round with on hand on the steering wheel.

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YOU WILL DO AS YOU PRACTICE. And don't ever put your body where you mind hasn't been!!! In other words. always play "what if..." games with yourself..............
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I can't access the vid from my work computer but youtube Sig Sauer Academy and carrying while driving. They have a pretty well explained and demoed example of how to get it done quickly and safely.
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As a 30 retired LEO I don't suggest anyone leave your sidearm unsecured, off your body.

What if your is in a vehicle accident; unconscious and now your gun is lying loose while you may or may not be carried off to the hospital or during a collision it was flung forward onto the floor and now your fumbling for it. What if you have kids in the car or strangers..the list goes on!

LEO's drive for a living. Ever see or hear of one of them unholstering and placing their gun anywhere other than their body?? Try exiting the vehicle FAST while fumbling with your seat belt and trying to locate your gun in one of a variety of places you put it depending upon where you decided to place it on that day.

I worked dope for a number of years and carried in the small of my back (holster & loose) and never had a problem getting to it even with a seatbelt on.
It was never where anyone else could get to it or even see it.

While we're on the subject of Vehicle Carry; Practice loading, tactical and otherwise; try chambering a round with on hand on the steering wheel.

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You may have never had a problem getting to your gun even with a seatbelt on, but you were probably driving a Ford sedan and sitting on bench seats, not driving a tiny roadster with form fitting bucket seats like a Pontiac Solstice. You don't sit in this car, you wear this car. The center console is right up against the side of my body. Can't get a hand back there at all. I can't even get my wallet out when sitting in the Solstice, so it too goes in the pocket in the front of the seat.

I do however keep the holster on my belt while driving. It is a two seater. The only other person who ever rides in the car is my wife, no kids, and if a stranger is in my car with me, then I have been carjacked and am already in a world of hurt.

If I am in an accident, The EMT will see my OWB holster. If he isn't a brain dead moron, he will let the officer at the scene know to look for a handgun in the vehicle.

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You may have never had a problem getting to your gun even with a seatbelt on, but you were probably driving a Ford sedan and sitting on bench seats, not driving a tiny roadster with form fitting bucket seats like a Pontiac Solstice. You don't sit in this car, you wear this car. The center console is right up against the side of my body. Can't get a hand back there at all. I can't even get my wallet out when sitting in the Solstice, so it too goes in the pocket in the front of the seat.

I do however keep the holster on my belt while driving. It is a two seater. The only other person who ever rides in the car is my wife, no kids, and if a stranger is in my car with me, then I have been carjacked and am already in a world of hurt.

If I am in an accident, The EMT will see my OWB holster. If he isn't a brain dead moron, he will let the officer at the scene know to look for a handgun in the vehicle.

Sorry, that EMT thing is sort of a cop out. You can't rely on someone else for the security of your firearm. It is ultimately your own responsibility.

The car accident deal does really put things into consideration. You're probably more likely to get into a car accident than an altercation in which you will need your firearm.

Just as people learn to draw and fire from concealment, I'm sure we could just as easily train and learn to draw from inside a vehicle with on-the-body carry.
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Sorry, that EMT thing is sort of a cop out. You can't rely on someone else for the security of your firearm. It is ultimately your own responsibility.

The car accident deal does really put things into consideration. You're probably more likely to get into a car accident than an altercation in which you will need your firearm.

Just as people learn to draw and fire from concealment, I'm sure we could just as easily train and learn to draw from inside a vehicle with on-the-body carry.
OK, then let's say you are unconscious and have your gun in your holster. What's to stop an unethical EMT from taking your gun? How about the first person who saw you wreck, and stopped to "help" (rifle through your wallet for money and steal your valuables)?

If you are unconscious your gun has absolutely ZERO security. So, should you not carry when driving?

How about you just lock it up in the trunk? What if you are transporting it locked in your trunk when the accident occurs. They tow it to the impound. Some impound employee now has a new gun.

There is never any 100% guarantee that you will retain possession of your firearm in a car accident.

I was an EMT. It is amazing the forces exerted in a car crash. I responded to a crash where a man had on only one shoe. The other shoe was found on the passenger side back seat. He had been wearing both shoes prior to the accident.

I had a friend who was T-boned by a semi carrying steel girders. Semi blew through intersection where a flagman was required, or a total stop was required. Semi pushed him over 100yards before stopping. My friend was driving and wearing his seatbelt. He ended up sitting in the passenger seat. He somehow was knocked out of the seatbelt and over the center console, he was sitting up with broken ribs and ankle on his left side. The CHP officer was asking him where the driver was, while awaiting the life flight, thought the driver might have been crushed inside the wreckage that was left of the driver's side.

Your gun may be forced out of the holster by the impact of the crash. It might end up on the dashboard, or on the floorboards, or under the passenger seat.

Carry / wear your gun where it can do you some good. Carry where it is accessible should you NEED to use it.
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Some good suggestions here. But how do you guys get past the belt buckle if you are carrying at 3:00 or 4:00? I would think that buckle would hamper your draw unless you take the time to unfasten your belt.

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Well I use the seatbelt to my advantage. If the need arises you say something like "hold on, let me get the seatbelt unbuckled" And while your finger is pushing the seatbelt release, your hand is on the grip preparing to draw. If someone is at your door they will never see it coming. Especially if you distract them a bit with the left hand. Practice, it's really pretty easy,, at least with my IWB and 4runner seatbelt.


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This is a bad idea. Some of The FBI agents in the Miami shoot out with platt and maddux did this. They spent the first few seconds of the fight feeling around on the floor for their weapons.
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OK, then let's say you are unconscious and have your gun in your holster. What's to stop an unethical EMT from taking your gun? How about the first person who saw you wreck, and stopped to "help" (rifle through your wallet for money and steal your valuables)?

If you are unconscious your gun has absolutely ZERO security. So, should you not carry when driving?

How about you just lock it up in the trunk? What if you are transporting it locked in your trunk when the accident occurs. They tow it to the impound. Some impound employee now has a new gun.

There is never any 100% guarantee that you will retain possession of your firearm in a car accident.

I was an EMT. It is amazing the forces exerted in a car crash. I responded to a crash where a man had on only one shoe. The other shoe was found on the passenger side back seat. He had been wearing both shoes prior to the accident.

I had a friend who was T-boned by a semi carrying steel girders. Semi blew through intersection where a flagman was required, or a total stop was required. Semi pushed him over 100yards before stopping. My friend was driving and wearing his seatbelt. He ended up sitting in the passenger seat. He somehow was knocked out of the seatbelt and over the center console, he was sitting up with broken ribs and ankle on his left side. The CHP officer was asking him where the driver was, while awaiting the life flight, thought the driver might have been crushed inside the wreckage that was left of the driver's side.

Your gun may be forced out of the holster by the impact of the crash. It might end up on the dashboard, or on the floorboards, or under the passenger seat.

Carry / wear your gun where it can do you some good. Carry where it is accessible should you NEED to use it.
I'm not disagreeing that your gun could still come loose and about in the car during an accident even if its on your body. Like you said, accidents can exert tremendous forces that do all sorts of things that seem to defy the laws of physics.

But to state "If I am in an accident, The EMT will see my OWB holster. If he isn't a brain dead moron, he will let the officer at the scene know to look for a handgun in the vehicle." means that you're relying on someone else to notice something. Let's go into hypotheticals again, what if your pants/belt/holster was stuck on something and they had to cut your pants off to get you out. Yeah, it's possible, just like all the other scenarios you described. However, I believe that we have to do the best we can to secure our firearms. It's our own responsibility. We can't simply say "It's okay, the other guy will see it and take care of it."

I also agree that it's important to have your gun ready in an accessible location. However, that does not mean that it has to be off-body. Drawing from concealment is a learned skill, refined by training. If you do not train or learn how to do it, you'll have a hard time doing it. Drawing from concealment or on the body while inside a vehicle is also one these things that you need to learn and train to become effective with. It doesn't mean it can't be efficiently and with effect.

Ultimately it's your decision on how you choose to carry it in a vehicle, and how you rationalize it shouldn't matter to anyone else, since your circumstances may differ from others.
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I'm not disagreeing that your gun could still come loose and about in the car during an accident even if its on your body. Like you said, accidents can exert tremendous forces that do all sorts of things that seem to defy the laws of physics.

But to state "If I am in an accident, The EMT will see my OWB holster. If he isn't a brain dead moron, he will let the officer at the scene know to look for a handgun in the vehicle." means that you're relying on someone else to notice something. Let's go into hypotheticals again, what if your pants/belt/holster was stuck on something and they had to cut your pants off to get you out. Yeah, it's possible, just like all the other scenarios you described. However, I believe that we have to do the best we can to secure our firearms. It's our own responsibility. We can't simply say "It's okay, the other guy will see it and take care of it."

I also agree that it's important to have your gun ready in an accessible location. However, that does not mean that it has to be off-body. Drawing from concealment is a learned skill, refined by training. If you do not train or learn how to do it, you'll have a hard time doing it. Drawing from concealment or on the body while inside a vehicle is also one these things that you need to learn and train to become effective with. It doesn't mean it can't be efficiently and with effect.

Ultimately it's your decision on how you choose to carry it in a vehicle, and how you rationalize it shouldn't matter to anyone else, since your circumstances may differ from others.
My point exactly.

I drive a Pontiac Solstice. It does not allow me the manueverability to access a holstered firearm as I am right against the door, and right up against the center console. I am not a blob, but I ain't skinny either. Appendix carry is not an option as it is a stick shift and working the clutch is impossible with a gun on the belt in the front. I don't dress in clothing that allows for a shoulder holster, and just for driving, it would be overkill.

In any other vehicle, I have it at the ready in the holster at 4 o'clock.

In the Solstice, it goes in the pocket in the front of the seat.
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My point exactly.

I drive a Pontiac Solstice. It does not allow me the manueverability to access a holstered firearm as I am right against the door, and right up against the center console. I am not a blob, but I ain't skinny either. Appendix carry is not an option as it is a stick shift and working the clutch is impossible with a gun on the belt in the front. I don't dress in clothing that allows for a shoulder holster, and just for driving, it would be overkill.

In any other vehicle, I have it at the ready in the holster at 4 o'clock.

In the Solstice, it goes in the pocket in the front of the seat.
My dad drives a solstice. Depending on your size, Ankle carry might be an option as well (also depending on the size of the firearm).
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I have never actually had to draw my gun well seated in a car other than in practice, so I can't speak from real world life or death experience. I carry at 3pm, however I carry in a Sticky Holster, and my primary car is an SUV. For driving and to have access to the weapon I either A) rock the gun/holster forward so the grip of the gun is available for my right hand.

I can also slip the gun between the seat and console, since the Sticky Holster will retain the gun in place. I prefer not to do this, but if I were that concerned it does improve access in practice.
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free floating on a seat..ect edct is a bad idea. Stomp yoru brakes once and see wher eit goes.

I carry 3:30/4. Its 90% a LC( so its dam slim already. Sometimes depending on Pants as belt loops are not all created eqaul in placement I will take iwb off with cl9 inisde it. I use Crossbreed quikClip....best evevvvvvver! : ) It uses only one wide-ish clip and is very easy on and off.

If I d0 remove it goes in pocket side door the kydex.leather hold it in place well.

If it is a double stack 15 round magazine pistol..it typically gets taken off on longer then 5 min trips and stuffed between seat and center console very snugly..in crossbreed quikclip

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511 Tactical has a nice holster shirt: http://www.511tactical.com/sleeveles...ter-shirt.html. I have two and they are a great way to carry...
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