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Old 11-18-2013, 4:29 AM
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This thread has a lot of silly opinions in it.
Been known to happen on the internet, anything to add?
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Don't PMs increase during financial crisis?

If the perceived crisis is dollar valuation declining yes, but if it's deflationary ... NO
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With 85 billion being pumped into the dollar supply a month with no end in sight, and the amount that has been pumped into it already how can a de-valuation not happen?
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With 85 billion being pumped into the dollar supply a month with no end in sight, and the amount that has been pumped into it already how can a de-valuation not happen?
Not sure on how the potential of this nation becoming one of the biggest exporters of gas will tip the scales. The value of something is what people will pay for it. Ask the guys who bought $3000.00 AR 15s 6 months ago.
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If the perceived crisis is dollar valuation declining yes, but if it's deflationary ... NO
Can you explain this in simple terms, please?
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[QUOTE=GW;12795642]Can you explain this in simple terms, please?[/If money flows out continuously it's likely to cause assets to rise in value, inflate. People need to put the money in stocks, bonds, silver, gold, etc. if money stops flowing, QE ends, and becomes more difficult to get those assets can decline as people sale them for less and less dollars especially if those dollars are needed....say to service a $17 trillion debt.
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that didn't take long to get your under $20 for silver Ripon. For this month's purchase I guess I'll average down a little more, but up my lead content.

China games?

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The only silver I have is for SHTF and that is just enough to handle any debts I might keep on the books - debts and silver would be a God send in a state of hyper inflation. The debt will be easy to pay off and the silver will rock in value. It would have to be done quickly and timed well.

Those who buy volume silver / gold for investment sake best have inside information about the manipulators who control the markets want to do. George Soros and company make the decisions on its value - not me, not you, but the game players with no rules.


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that didn't take long to get your under $20 for silver Ripon. For this month's purchase I guess I'll average down a little more, but up my lead content.

China games?

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What do Asians understand we westerners just can't get a grip on?

I was picking up some goodies at my local gold vendor the other day so I could go boating and it was busier than last time. Supplies are mostly older coins, 2013 are pretty much gone.

This was shot a couple days ago in Bangkok. Yeah they know how to roll.

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How to behave in public?

If we couldn't buy guns and ammo, there would be more stores like that here too. It's all about balance.

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I hear what you are saying, but if hyper inflation hits I'm keeping any debt I have and using newly inflated assets to invest in more of whatever looks good at the time.
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In the Dubai airport they have vending machines that sell gold. I thought that was pretty cool.
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That would make sense, but if we truly hyper inflate I don't want to be the one holding bags of silver. I don't have much debt, and would pay it off easily and then invest in more land.


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If we couldn't buy guns and ammo, there would be more stores like that here too. It's all about balance.

@ripon

I hear what you are saying, but if hyper inflation hits I'm keeping any debt I have and using newly inflated assets to invest in more of whatever looks good at the time.
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That would make sense, but if we truly hyper inflate I don't want to be the one holding bags of silver. I don't have much debt, and would pay it off easily and then invest in more land.
Gold I think is a long term deal. This whole "QE" thing kind of threw gold for a loop. It will go back up again but who knows how long that will take. Some say that the pendulum is about to swing back from the stock market now in a couple years. The key is diversification if your worried about losing it all.

Anyways, I agree. You can never go wrong with land. That is my plan as well. Next up tick in gold and Im cashing out to buy some land outside of CA.
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That would make sense, but if we truly hyper inflate I don't want to be the one holding bags of silver. I don't have much debt, and would pay it off easily and then invest in more land.
I didn't say hold the silver. I said hold the debt, invest the silver or gold or whatever got hot. Land would be one option, but I'd be looking at anything that could produce income as well.

In the end, it's going to be an individual decision based upon your needs at that time. There won't be a "one size fits" formula to help everyone sleep at night.

That said, if ones debt is on a variable rate then yes..... Pay it off if possible.
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It's probably wishful thinking to think you will be able to pay any debt off in hyperinflation let alone say a home mortgage of $150k. In an age of technology where data travels in nano seconds, by the time you walk outside at your first break at work to go fill your tank, gas will be $150 a gallon, cash only. All financial institutions will be on lock down so no atm for you or ever being able to access that 401k, everything went BK and bail-ins start to support the US Gubermint in this time of tragedy.

You were smart and had $10k stashed in the mattress. Great you get (10) loaves of bread tomorrow. Gold/Silver are probably no better as they will most likely be confiscated for a new currency back by something other than hot air. They might be your saving grace to get out of the country as the dollar is burned for heat.

NO DEBT before hyperinflation is much preferred because even a socialist rule may take effect that says, the Government guarantees that home loan and we is taking it ! There will be no "You like your home then you can keep your home".
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My debt is for some rural land, and some of it I've mangled to level and till into row crop. We can grow a lot of different stuff. We did a wheat grass on a few acres this summer and created 760 gallons of bio diesel. So at $150 a gallon I can walk the future TP in and pay off the mtg.


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It's probably wishful thinking to think you will be able to pay any debt off in hyperinflation let alone say a home mortgage of $150k. In an age of technology where data travels in nano seconds, by the time you walk outside at your first break at work to go fill your tank, gas will be $150 a gallon, cash only. All financial institutions will be on lock down so no atm for you or ever being able to access that 401k, everything went BK and bail-ins start to support the US Gubermint in this time of tragedy.

You were smart and had $10k stashed in the mattress. Great you get (10) loaves of bread tomorrow. Gold/Silver are probably no better as they will most likely be confiscated for a new currency back by something other than hot air. They might be your saving grace to get out of the country as the dollar is burned for heat.

NO DEBT before hyperinflation is much preferred because even a socialist rule may take effect that says, the Government guarantees that home loan and we is taking it ! There will be no "You like your home then you can keep your home".
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My debt is for some rural land, and some of it I've mangled to level and till into row crop. We can grow a lot of different stuff. We did a wheat grass on a few acres this summer and created 760 gallons of bio diesel. So at $150 a gallon I can walk the future TP in and pay off the mtg.
Ah, you like your energy farm land, you can not keep it.

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By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (64 Stat. 798; 50 U.S.C. App. 2061, et seq.), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:



Sec. 203. Maximizing Domestic Energy Supplies. The authority of the President to perform the functions provided by subsection 101(c) of the Act is delegated to the Secretary of Commerce, who shall redelegate to the Secretary of Energy the authority to make the findings described in subsection 101(c)(2)(A) that the materials (including equipment), services, and facilities are critical and essential. The Secretary of Commerce shall make the finding described in subsection 101(c)(2)(A) of the Act that the materials (including equipment), services, or facilities are scarce, and the finding described in subsection 101(c)(2)(B) that it is necessary to use the authority provided by subsection 101(c)(1).
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By the time they find me I'll be sitting on a beach earning 20% ( from Die Hard)...seriously I get that, but our local is so far removed by the time they reach us we will be set for life.


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Sec. 203. Maximizing Domestic Energy Supplies. The authority of the President to perform the functions provided by subsection 101(c) of the Act is delegated to the Secretary of Commerce, who shall redelegate to the Secretary of Energy the authority to make the findings described in subsection 101(c)(2)(A) that the materials (including equipment), services, and facilities are critical and essential. The Secretary of Commerce shall make the finding described in subsection 101(c)(2)(A) of the Act that the materials (including equipment), services, or facilities are scarce, and the finding described in subsection 101(c)(2)(B) that it is necessary to use the authority provided by subsection 101(c)(1).
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BTW silver under $19.3 at one point this week? I see $16 in a few months.
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BTW silver under $19.3 at one point this week? I see $16 in a few months.
today it's $20.33 and gold doing well $1,250. Glad I've continued to stack and DCA and haven't let fear stop me. Always buy when the market says don't.
My 4 year horizon isn't changing.
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goldsilver.com has free shipping right now. Tax in CA though...
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Don't PMs increase during financial crisis?
Answer: *No*, with everyone on margin, precious metals are the fastest thing that gets sold.

In 2008, preious metals took a whacking like everything else.

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Less uncertainty:
2 yr budget deal, Though we still have to get through the debt limit, takes most of the Washington drag off the table
Jobs steadily improving
"When are we going to start to stop QE" question finally answered.

All bad things for PM's imho. I never liked the Gold/Silver narrative the last few years, it was all based on irrational fear then rational value based analytics.
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Less uncertainty:
2 yr budget deal, Though we still have to get through the debt limit, takes most of the Washington drag off the table
Jobs steadily improving
"When are we going to start to stop QE" question finally answered.

All bad things for PM's imho. I never liked the Gold/Silver narrative the last few years, it was all based on irrational fear then rational value based analytics.
Budget deal is a joke, still $1 TRILLION in deficit spending, if the Fed Rev. isn't going to buy it now, whom do you think will? Right, nobody because interest rates will rise now as we see the 10 year today @ almost 3%. ObamaCare is going to put even more out of work because there is no incentive to work for a whole new class of individuals. Extended unemployment benefits will now cease causing more pain for the marginal family's. Job's improving? Please...

QE can never stop, only grow, they will just call it something else in a couple months. In a few months we will be hearing how painful it is to service our national debt with higher interest rates.

Insurance is the only game in town. Golden opportunity to stack Gold/Silver, the market is being manipulated atm to free up supplies from the weak.
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QE can never stop, only grow, they will just call it something else in a couple months. In a few months we will be hearing how painful it is to service our national debt with higher interest rates.
This. The only way to "service" the debt (we're on our knees b__wing it already) is to inflate our way out of it. Fundamentally, it is a true statement. But how will politics affect it?
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Budget deal is a joke, still $1 TRILLION in deficit spending,
And? Investors now know the roadmap for the next 2 years. When was the last time that happened? Before now it was short term CR's setting up the next fake political "crisis"

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if the Fed Rev. isn't going to buy it now, whom do you think will?
Actually the Federal Reserve will buy $5 billion less starting in January (the other $5 bil comes from Mortgage Backed Securities) and if you look at revenues vs spending the last couple of years... revenues have been growing at a much higher rate then spending. The budget deal basically flat lines spending... while GDP growth means revenues are set to rise. We'll be at under 3% GDP deficit spending soon which is the average we've basically been at since the 70's .

Exporting nations have little choice but to keep buying Treasuries.. and the main holders of American debt, the American people .. haven't shown a lack of appetite for it.

You keep on thinking nobody will buy Treasuries.. never happened in history.. yet you are predicting it will start any second now based on some sort of gut feeling..

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Right, nobody because interest rates will rise now as we see the 10 year today @ almost 3%.
Interest rates are rising on less uncertainty. Last times interest rates were at this level......Gosh August 2011 right at the time we started the whole debt ceiling nonsense. Those shenanigans look like they are stopping so interest rates are normalizing...

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Extended unemployment benefits will now cease causing more pain for the marginal family's.
Yes, no argument here on that.

That said.. Farm bill still has yet to be passed... Extended UE benefits still have a chance of getting put back in.

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Job's improving? Please...
45 months of the total number of jobs going up each month... at what point do you acknowledge that it is happening?



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QE can never stop, only grow, they will just call it something else in a couple months.
So how many months of tapering before you admit you are wrong? I mean we're at 45 months with jobs.. are we going to have to wait 4 years before you admit that tapering has happened?

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ZOMG, we'll run out of dollars!



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Check gold prices this morning... how they looking?
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And? Investors now know the roadmap for the next 2 years. When was the last time that happened? Before now it was short term CR's setting up the next fake political "crisis"



Actually the Federal Reserve will buy $5 billion less starting in January (the other $5 bil comes from Mortgage Backed Securities) and if you look at revenues vs spending the last couple of years... revenues have been growing at a much higher rate then spending. The budget deal basically flat lines spending... while GDP growth means revenues are set to rise. We'll be at under 3% GDP deficit spending soon which is the average we've basically been at since the 70's .

Exporting nations have little choice but to keep buying Treasuries.. and the main holders of American debt, the American people .. haven't shown a lack of appetite for it.

You keep on thinking nobody will buy Treasuries.. never happened in history.. yet you are predicting it will start any second now based on some sort of gut feeling..



Interest rates are rising on less uncertainty. Last times interest rates were at this level......Gosh August 2011 right at the time we started the whole debt ceiling nonsense. Those shenanigans look like they are stopping so interest rates are normalizing...







Yes, no argument here on that.

That said.. Farm bill still has yet to be passed... Extended UE benefits still have a chance of getting put back in.



45 months of the total number of jobs going up each month... at what point do you acknowledge that it is happening?





So how many months of tapering before you admit you are wrong? I mean we're at 45 months with jobs.. are we going to have to wait 4 years before you admit that tapering has happened?





ZOMG, we'll run out of dollars!





Check gold prices this morning... how they looking?
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New 52 week low for gold! Lowest price in 3 years!
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Those "jobs" numbers are Obama Admin bs. Most of them are government jobs created to fudge numbers and will probably evaporate when the democrats lose control.
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Johnnie,

Govt jobs have been contracting by in large, though that is coming to an end. You can also filter out government jobs in the data and you'll still see millions of private sector jobs added since mid 2009 after the stimulus kicked in.

The data is there for all to see, many choose not to see it. The fact is we are growing, qe is beginning to end and political stalemates look to end for awhile. All highly negative for gold.
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That chart plus most data I see still says a long slow painful slide in price for years to come.
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Interesting article on how banks are rigging the gold and silver prices. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...ld-prices.html
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Interesting article on how banks are rigging the gold and silver prices. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...ld-prices.html
Yeah but they where "rigging it" when told went to $1900/oz as well...

So where should the current price really be?
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My $100 dollar bill: Costs 12.7 cents to produce and burns with a match

http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12771.htm

My 1 oz. Gold Coin: The Mines of South Africa can descend as far as 12,000 feet and reach temperatures of 130°F. To produce an ounce of gold requires 38 man hours, 1400 gallons of water, enough electricity to run a large house for ten days, and chemicals such as cyanide, acids, lead, borax, and lime. In order to extract South Africa’s yearly output of 500 tons of gold, nearly 70 million tons of earth are raised and milled. And Gold melts at 1064.43° Centigrade. It can conduct both heat and electricity and it never rusts.

http://facts.randomhistory.com/2009/03/09_gold.html

I will stack the Gold stuff, especially when it's on SALE ! Barbarous Relic...


Shhhhh... The Gold is Gone... More boating accidents !

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-1...-are-empty-why
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Old 12-20-2013, 6:26 AM
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Yeah but they where "rigging it" when told went to $1900/oz as well...

So where should the current price really be?
No more that twice the cost of mining IMO.
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Old 12-20-2013, 7:19 AM
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No more that twice the cost of mining IMO.
I would think that is realistic "until" the relic is no longer available, then of course the price WILL go ballistic.

Those days are coming as the sheep realize they are trading an item globally that represents zip. Government = ZIP
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Old 12-20-2013, 8:09 AM
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I would think that is realistic "until" the relic is no longer available, then of course the price WILL go ballistic.

Those days are coming as the sheep realize they are trading an item globally that represents zip. Government = ZIP




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Old 12-20-2013, 8:34 AM
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Smashy you would have had the same blind eyes in 2000 when I was buying gold at 300 and silver at 4.

Enjoy the ride
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Old 12-20-2013, 8:36 AM
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Gold and Silver will keep going down as the economy improves...the PM flight to safety play is over...until the next financial crisis.

But in the meantime I see gold dipping to around $1,000 in the first quarter 2014 and Silver as low as $15.

I don't see PM's as a good investment in the upcoming year or years...If the Fed continues to reduce bond purchases add interest rates rise, gold could drop to $800 and Silver back under $10.

I do NOT see Gold under any circumstance going over $1,300-$1,400 or Silver over $22.
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