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Old 06-29-2017, 10:05 PM
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The time for Mr Niceguy has long passed. We have given inch after inch and they have taken mile after mile, for 50+ years. We're done with that, capiche?

Pull your head out man. Are we allowed no use of rhetoric or drama at all? Is that reserved solely for the left wing and Hollywood?
I'll give ya that, rhetoric and drama for all - Not sure if I can pull my head out tho, cause I'm right just like everyone else, and don't think there is an end to Mr. Niceguy- especially since Jesus was the nicest Mr. Niceguy.

I will give the NRA props on the mag ban legislation they're doing. But you know, freedom of speech is important. Don't go dissuading anyone of that.
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:06 PM
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Dude, I read the salon piece AND the other piece on Vox.
You're fooling no one. You read the piece there, then came here to register to false flag us.

We're not that stupid. I know you've been trained to think we are, but I promise you we aren't.

Your attempts to divide us from the NRA failed, and will continue to fail. Gunowners know we have to take every ally we have, so even IF we disagreed with the video or NRA position, we wouldn't say anything, still join up, etc.

That's because of the relentless gun controllers like you, who sock puppet. We know the enemy. We've seen him. We've lost everything to him in California, and still he comes.

If you really think your weaksauce attempt to sockpuppet and divide what little is left of the gun rights movement in California will work, you clearly don't understand.

You've drained the tea cup. What you have is the dregs- the strongest, most bitter, clinging, stick to your teeth, disgusting part of the tea. We're what gave the rest of the tea the flavor, but now that you've drained the water and weak tea, all you are left with is the absolutely pungent and unable to be expunged flavor. Trying to water us down or divide us doesn't work. We're the dregs and deplorables.

Fear us. There are many more in other states that have seen the insanity of California. Trump ran on the insanity of California, from immigration to taxes to politics.

And the other deplorables aren't just the dregs, but the entire tea.

You're about to experience a pushback you've never thought possible.

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Overall, the video just goes too far to be divisive against left and right. We're all Americans. But if you're Tea Party or AntiFA - just both extremist groups prone to the exact same violence, and might as well be holding hands for all I care.

My main problem is that this video is more of a "Fight the Freedom of speech from those who do not agree with you" kind of video.

I take things too far, this video took things too far, and I'm happy to see an open discussion. Agree with me or no, that's not the issue, the issue is that both the left and the right have the freedom to call the President of the USA "Hitler" or "The Kenyan Ape who started ISIS" (didn't Trump say something like that?) And this video is just a hypocrisy against the freedom of speech. I hold that freedom higher than any other, the 1st Amendment. No one should ever take that freedom for granted or dissuade others from doing so, and this video does.


The Tea Party is not prone to nor do they incite violence. They work within the democratic process to effect change in a constitutional manner. Many have been freely elected to Congress. AntiFA on the other hand shows up in ski masks, helmets, body armor, flag poles as thick as baseball bats and acts like a banana republic goon squad. They hunt down people that are in opposition to them and beat them. They promote mob rule. Not a single member of congress condones their illegal activities. This has been well documented in numerous videos that even the biased press is willing to report. You believe in free speech as long as everyone agrees with you, everything else is "un allowed hate speech".


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Just sent the NRA $125 in OPs name.
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Dude, I read the salon piece AND the other piece on the lefty website- it was either vox or slate.

You're fooling no one. You read the piece there, then came here to register to false flag us.

We're not that stupid. I know you've been trained to think we are, but I promise you we aren't.

Your attempts to divide us from the NRA failed, and will continue to fail. Gunowners know we have to take every ally we have, so even IF we disagreed with the video or NRA position, we wouldn't say anything, still join up, etc.

That's because of the relentless gun controllers like you, who sock puppet. We know the enemy. We've seen him. We've lost everything to him in California, and still he comes.

If you really think your weaksauce attempt to sockpuppet and divide what little is left of the gun rights movement in California will work, you clearly don't understand.

You've drained the tea cup. What you have is the dregs- the strongest, most bitter, clinging, stick to your teeth, disgusting part of the tea. We're what gave the rest of the tea the flavor, but now that you've drained the water and weak tea, all you are left with is the absolutely pungent and unable to be expunged flavor. Trying to water us down or divide us doesn't work. We're the dregs and deplorables.

Fear us. There are many more in other states that have seen the insanity of California. Trump ran on the insanity of California, from immigration to taxes to politics.

And the other deplorables aren't just the dregs, but the entire tea.

You're about to experience a pushback you've never thought possible.

Enjoy.
You don't know me.

Why would I fear you? I don't want to incite hatred or violence, just came on here to talk. This is a great place for political discussion and an open forum about guns and the laws pertaining to them.

I'm an American, and if you have a problem with that, then tell me now.
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...... "The Kenyan Ape who started ISIS" (didn't Trump say something like that?).......
Where did you get that? IF he had ever said anything remotely like that, it would have been on every news outlet every day from the time he said it til now.... He did say that Obama is to blame for ISIS (and he is) because of his feckless middle east policies..... but "The Kenyan Ape" I think not....
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Just sent the NRA $125 in OPs name.
Glad you got the money to burn - coulda bought some ammo for that..
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You don't know me.

Why would I fear you? I don't want to incite hatred or violence, just came on here to talk. This is a great place for political discussion and an open forum about guns and the laws pertaining to them.

I'm an American, and if you have a problem with that, then tell me now.
You don't know me.

And you shouldn't fear me. I'm nothing. I'm no one. You should fear the movement that is building to liberalize gun laws nationwide, and crucify the modern day apartheid and jim crow between elites and regular people in California.

You have nothing to fear if you support gun rights liberalization. If you oppose it, then your world is going to come crashing down into a million pieces.

I've been assaulted and beaten for my free speech, by the left.

I can't recall the right assaulting anyone for their free speech rights recently. Care to explain where the "both sides" part is?

This is the NRA saying we've been bloodied, beaten, and attacked enough- and there will be consequences for another attack.

That's self defense, and if you have a problem with one side preparing itself to strike back and end someone who attacks them or their side, well, then yes, there will be a problem.

I'm happy to have a discussion too, but you're just slinging vagueness because you have no real points, just emotions and fear.

I deal in facts, not vague "worries" or "hatred". I deal in the facts that the only violence has come from the left, and it's been extreme.

I have no problem discussing anything with you, and NONE of this should be construed as a personal threat, or a call to violence at all. It is a call to preparation for rigorous self defense, and offense of POLITICAL means, but no violence.

The left has a monopoly on that.
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:26 PM
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Glad you got the money to burn - coulda bought some ammo for that..
What's more important: owning ammo or having the right to own ammo? It is not a rhetorical question; witness what nearly happened with our magazines...

There's more at stake here than a few boxes of ammo. Get on board.
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video seems fine.

to be honest, the far left is pushing the buttons and it is time to say enough.

and with some on the far left now publicly arming themselves (although very funny to watch their videos) it shows they are raising the violence level. and those that oppose them now need to raise their level of defense to the same and higher to oppose and suppress them.

the far left want to start a civil war, those on the right will end it for them.
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Big time. Why is it that quite few of these trolls join and immediately ***** and moan about the "divisive" NRA.
Because they haven't the intellectual integrity to be open and honest. Or limited thinking tells them they've devised a new approach that will trick everyone. The purpose of such threads is to beguile and later expose readers to whatever slushes through their swampy little minds, like "NRA is mean" or lies such as what was supposedly said about a former President. Of course it isn't true, just another insinuation that won't be backed up.

And people wonder why gunowners don't trust anti-gunners?

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Glad you got the money to burn - coulda bought some ammo for that..
Why choose just one? Thanks for the reminder that UPS hasn't been by in a couple days and I have a Scout getting out of jail Saturday. Time for some .308.
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What's more important: owning ammo or having the right to own ammo? It is not a rhetorical question; witness what nearly happened with our magazines...

There's more at stake here than a few boxes of ammo. Get on board.
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Oh c'mon - buying ammo of course. Supporting a cause with time and/or money, that's for suckers like you, me and other folks here. Hope the OP doesn't weigh too much, I've got a bit of a bad back.

With an edit or two the "Few Good Men" speech has always seemed well adapted to such a mindset:

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very gun freedoms NRA provides and then questions the manner in which they provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you open a wallet and write a check. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

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A divisive lying leftist troll opens a post with.

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This is an extremely violent call-to-arms against political theory where the NRA is just a political lobby organization promoting lawlessness and division among law-abiding American citizens. This ad is against everything that a responsible gun owner should be. If the NRA were to teach and protect its members about responsible gun ownership and not promote violence where conversations are important, then they might be a respectable organization.
Which contains not one single word of truth. Then claims he wants an open honest dialog.

Begone vermin, I hear Yo Momma Fineswine calling you back to Excremento.

Members please...............If you feed a stray cat. It only serves to encourage it to crap on your porch. If you feed a worthless waste of sperm internet troll. It only encourages it to stick around and crap on your forum.
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Wow, a stretch to compare the Tea-party to Antifa.
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I also feel the video is out of line, the NRA should not waste time on a video like this. They need to spend more time on exposing the unfair gun laws around the country.
You mean the _UNJUST_ gun laws, not unfair. You need to re-read the Second Amendment, IMO. Clue: It has _NOTHING_ to do with "hunting" at all.
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I've been considering whether or not to join the NRA, and just saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE

This is an extremely violent call-to-arms against political theory where the NRA is just a political lobby organization promoting lawlessness and division among law-abiding American citizens. This ad is against everything that a responsible gun owner should be. If the NRA were to teach and protect its members about responsible gun ownership and not promote violence where conversations are important, then they might be a respectable organization.

Does the NRA love the 2nd Amendment and really hate the 1st Amendment?

Is the left not allowed to have the right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?

Is "they" the majority of peaceful, law-abiding, American citizens?
you are loosing it.. Dont go crazy. It specifically says armed with TRUTH.. If you knew anything about the NRA, its the opposite of what you are suggesting. so, stop spreading S*it.
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I've been considering whether or not to join the NRA, and just saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE

This is an extremely violent call-to-arms against political theory where the NRA is just a political lobby organization promoting lawlessness and division among law-abiding American citizens. This ad is against everything that a responsible gun owner should be. If the NRA were to teach and protect its members about responsible gun ownership and not promote violence where conversations are important, then they might be a respectable organization.

Does the NRA love the 2nd Amendment and really hate the 1st Amendment?

Is the left not allowed to have the right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?

Is "they" the majority of peaceful, law-abiding, American citizens?
Ha, I fell for your click bait thread.. You win.
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Mr Troll-

Every thing in that ad is true. If you doubt it;

Or

If it offends you- don't join, find some safe place, that does not hurt your feelings- and sign up there.

I just signed up two ladies in the NRA- both got a free six pack of beer from watashi. They liked the ad.

And the beer. lol

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Is OP Gavin newsome? Cuz I'm pretty sure I saw that POS post something very similiar to what OP is saying on his Facebook
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My wife and I are already Life Members. Thanks for reminding me to sign our daughter up as well.
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Overall, the video just goes too far to be divisive against left and right. We're all Americans. But if you're Tea Party or AntiFA - just both extremist groups prone to the exact same violence...
Tea Party and AntiFA prone to the exact same violence? I believe you are mistaken. Please show examples.
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Everytime one of these trolls comes on Calguns and starts one of these threads, I donate to the NRA-ILA or CRPA. I just keep track on the threads and at the end of the month send a check.

Thanks to the OP for helping to provide the funds to fight for our civil rights. You and your ilk are definitely helping the cause.
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I've been considering whether or not to join the NRA, and just saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE

This is an extremely violent call-to-arms against political theory where the NRA is just a political lobby organization promoting lawlessness and division among law-abiding American citizens. This ad is against everything that a responsible gun owner should be. If the NRA were to teach and protect its members about responsible gun ownership and not promote violence where conversations are important, then they might be a respectable organization.

Does the NRA love the 2nd Amendment and really hate the 1st Amendment?

Is the left not allowed to have the right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?

Is "they" the majority of peaceful, law-abiding, American citizens?
Me thinks your leftist blood is spilling out of your mouth right now
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Glad you got the money to burn - coulda bought some ammo for that..
YOu already blew your cover with your first post. Must have been tough for you to type this post
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The ad is moronic. It does nothing at all to change minds, which is what we need to be doing. It in fact will have the opposite effect.

The primary purpose of the ad is to raise money from the NRA base. That's what the NRA has become, I guess, that's job one. Wayne La Pierre make a million dollars a year and I guess it has to come from somewhere.

It has nothing to do with gun rights! It simply reinforces the Culture War foundation of Us vs Them. It's beyond stupid (except I'm sure the donations will roll in, and that's what's important).

Actually promoting gun rights and shooting sports comes (a distant) second.

Again, if this is how you think we win in California, you can stick a fork in gun rights in your state.
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Is the left not allowed to have the right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?
You give yourself away with this line.

Try keeping up with current events and you'll see it's the left beating on people whose opinions they don't like, not us.

But please do keep pushing it ....
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The ad is moronic. It does nothing at all to change minds, which is what we need to be doing. It in fact will have the opposite effect.
Where have you been? What makes you think the left is at all interested in our opinions or our side of things?

Their minds are made up and we are the enemy no matter what we say or do.
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I've been considering whether or not to join the NRA, and just saw this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtGOQFf9VCE

This is an extremely violent call-to-arms against political theory where the NRA is just a political lobby organization promoting lawlessness and division among law-abiding American citizens. This ad is against everything that a responsible gun owner should be. If the NRA were to teach and protect its members about responsible gun ownership and not promote violence where conversations are important, then they might be a respectable organization.

Does the NRA love the 2nd Amendment and really hate the 1st Amendment?

Is the left not allowed to have the right to freedom of speech and peaceful protest?

Is "they" the majority of peaceful, law-abiding, American citizens?

You obviously didn't listen carefully. It is neither a call to arms or violence.

The First Amendment is not what many in the left are practicing. The left is practicing suppression of the 1st, and violence when they can get away with it.

You seldom ever see people on the right engaging in violence, and you never see the right try to suppress speech.
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The ad is moronic. It does nothing at all to change minds, which is what we need to be doing. It in fact will have the opposite effect.

The primary purpose of the ad is to raise money from the NRA base. That's what the NRA has become, I guess, that's job one. Wayne La Pierre make a million dollars a year and I guess it has to come from somewhere.

It has nothing to do with gun rights! It simply reinforces the Culture War foundation of Us vs Them. It's beyond stupid (except I'm sure the donations will roll in, and that's what's important).

Actually promoting gun rights and shooting sports comes (a distant) second.

Again, if this is how you think we win in California, you can stick a fork in gun rights in your state.
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The ad is moronic. It does nothing at all to change minds, which is what we need to be doing. It in fact will have the opposite effect.

The primary purpose of the ad is to raise money from the NRA base. That's what the NRA has become, I guess, that's job one. Wayne La Pierre make a million dollars a year and I guess it has to come from somewhere.

It has nothing to do with gun rights! It simply reinforces the Culture War foundation of Us vs Them. It's beyond stupid (except I'm sure the donations will roll in, and that's what's important).

Actually promoting gun rights and shooting sports comes (a distant) second.

Again, if this is how you think we win in California, you can stick a fork in gun rights in your state.
Uh, this is a National ad. Not a California ad.

BTW - There would be no injunction today (large cap mags) or lawsuits against the state challenging the AW ban if the NRA didn't raise money and keep its base fired up. You don't seem to understand that.
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Everytime one of these trolls comes on Calguns and starts one of these threads, I donate to the NRA-ILA or CRPA. I just keep track on the threads and at the end of the month send a check.

Thanks to the OP for helping to provide the funds to fight for our civil rights. You and your ilk are definitely helping the cause.
Good idea, I think I'll send $50 to the NRA and CRPA today.
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There would be no injunction today (large cap mags) or lawsuits against the state challenging the AW ban if the NRA didn't raise money and keep its base fired up. You don't seem to understand that.
This plus many other examples!

Do you really think the left would change their position even if the NRA used unicorns and rainbows in their ads? It's not about winning them over anymore as much as it is winning in courts and campaigns, which takes time and MONEY
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Attacking people who you disagree with is not your 1st amendment right. I don't think libs understand the effect the 50 years of constant attack has had on law abiding gun owners. We are tired of being pushed around. If you don't want a gun, don't buy one. Stop telling everyone else they have to be just like you. We don't like you and what you stand for.

PS OP that opening statement was untrue from beginning to end. You should take a hard look at your beliefs. I especially liked the Jesus references.
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The ad is moronic. It does nothing at all to change minds, which is what we need to be doing. It in fact will have the opposite effect.

The primary purpose of the ad is to raise money from the NRA base. That's what the NRA has become, I guess, that's job one. Wayne La Pierre make a million dollars a year and I guess it has to come from somewhere.

It has nothing to do with gun rights! It simply reinforces the Culture War foundation of Us vs Them. It's beyond stupid (except I'm sure the donations will roll in, and that's what's important).

Actually promoting gun rights and shooting sports comes (a distant) second.

Again, if this is how you think we win in California, you can stick a fork in gun rights in your state.
Have you been living under a rock? Their minds aren't going to be changed. That's been proven time and time again. Who cares if this is an ad targeted to believers? Those are needed sometimes too.
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Simply laughable attacking the NRA for restricting Antifa's 1A rights when it is Antifa that is doing to others' 1A rights (most publicized being Milo and Coulter) in terms of "free speech."

By the way, the 1A doesn't give you the right to destroy property and commit assaults, it gives people the right to "peaceably assemble." Antifa "assemblies" are more akin to riots which are not protected by the 1A.
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Like your overlords who sent you, you're completely out of touch and out of tune. That ad has:

1) Been out for MONTHS
2) Isn't anything violent
3) Doesn't make anybody ashamed of being an NRA member

You're going to need to go back to ShareBlue and tell them that this campaign isn't working. Gun control isn't working.
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eh why bring logic into this, that makes too much sense... besides when you have bested a fool, you have accomplished nothing and he is a fool.
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Donate today. and next month and so on.....
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What went wrong with mattgogrrr and his/her perception of the NRA?
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