How are the 9mm 1911s?

[tbc]

I can attest that Kimber 1911 9mm trigger is better than SA 1911 9mm trigger since I had both.

But of course nothing beats the 1911 trigger job from gunsmiths.

[CifaldiPrecision]

Originally Posted by tbc

I can attest that Kimber 1911 9mm trigger is better than SA 1911 9mm trigger since I had both.

But of course nothing beats the 1911 trigger job from gunsmiths.

I’ve worked on a ton of them. There is zero difference brand to brand. That’s fiction. There will be difference gun to gun. Nothing is done to make them better other than assembly.


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[Peahi2]

I'm pretty happy with my Springfield Loaded Target. It has a lot of rounds through it...and performed well until the ejector broke and locked up the slide. Springfield promptly rectified that and properly drilled and pinned it (I believe that is how to describe it). Someone can chime in on this, but I believe it was originally glued in, and hence with heavy use, it will break eventually.

I'm thinking of one day making this gun or my rarely used trp as a RMR platform.

[Palmaris]

Originally Posted by CifaldiPrecision

There is lapping when fitting a 1911 barrel . Huh?


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I did lapped bushing to barrel. It happened I have lapping tools left from my RC hobby and one of them is perfect size.
It might not needed, but I did. Is there problem with that?

[tbc]

Originally Posted by CifaldiPrecision

I’ve worked on a ton of them. There is zero difference brand to brand. That’s fiction. There will be difference gun to gun. Nothing is done to make them better other than assembly.


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Got it. I must had luck with my Kimber. If I vaguely recall, that trigger weight was about 3 pounds.

[CifaldiPrecision]

Originally Posted by tbc

Got it. I must had luck with my Kimber. If I vaguely recall, that trigger weight was about 3 pounds.

It’s the creep and grittiness that’s is common. The weights are usually all over the place.

Originally Posted by Palmaris

I did lapped bushing to barrel. It happened I have lapping tools left from my RC hobby and one of them is perfect size.

It might not needed, but I did. Is there problem with that?

Nope, that’s common but that’s fitting the bushing and not the barrel which is why I didn’t associate the two.

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[bajajoaquin]

Originally Posted by redhemi

I say don't buy one only because they like to multiply. I now have 11 of them 2 were 45s turned into 9mm. This one was my first and still my favorite.

How hard is the conversion to 9mm?

[MrFeetZ]

For those that have experience in purchasing a 1911 in 38super then buying g a 9mm barrel, can you please elaborate? I mean, do you need to purchase a new bushing? Any gunsmithing? Or, is it just a drop in?

Interested in the kimber pro hd / 9mm barrel add.

[BigFatGuy]

Originally Posted by BigPimping

If you're going to buy a 9 mm handgun, why would you consider anything except a Glock 17 or 19?

1: more slender grip
2: single action trigger
3: thumb safety
4: heavier
5: 'murica

[CifaldiPrecision]

Originally Posted by MrFeetZ

For those that have experience in purchasing a 1911 in 38super then buying g a 9mm barrel, can you please elaborate? I mean, do you need to purchase a new bushing? Any gunsmithing? Or, is it just a drop in?



Interested in the kimber pro hd / 9mm barrel add.

The Kimber Pro hd is a bull barrel so no bushing. It is not drop in, 1911 barrels never are. They require work and for the timing to be proper. So you’d need a new barrel and link for sure.

Buying a 45 and converting to 9mm you’d need a whole new top end the frame should be cut for a ramped barrel.

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[tanks]

My main CCW firearms is a 9mm 2011. STI DVC Carry, accurate as heck and no issues after about 5K rounds. The only modification I made was to change the sights from Heinle (came from factory) to Dawson as I like a FO front and black rear rather than the up and down dots.

[bsumoba]

I'll let you know when I get my hands on a Staccato P

[redhemi]

Originally Posted by bajajoaquin

How hard is the conversion to 9mm?

The first one was done by Fusion Firearms. I picked up a Springfield loaded lite weight which already had a ramped barrel. I had Fusion put a complete 6" longslide top end on it. Love shooting this gun. The second one was just a experiment by me. I had a Rock Island FS with rail that I tried to sell but at the time nobody was interested so I bought all Rock island parts but the barrel (couldn't get it anywhere so picked up a cheap one) and everything fit ok. The barrel to frame was the hardest part because of the 45cal ramp cut (should be machined like Cifaldi said) but with a lot of filing on the barrel (it ain't pretty) it actually functions ok. Someday I just might send the Rock Island to a smith and have the frame machined and the right barrel put in and a recoat I'm not a fan of the coating it has now.

[DNA]

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...4#post23540144

Decently priced EMP, OP.

Dan

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by Dirtlaw

My next purchase as soon as I see a deal.

Hmmm.

[Dirtlaw]

I broke my promise that the last one was the last time. Am I in trouble?

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by CifaldiPrecision

OEM triggers on factory guns are all terrible. Shoot a gun with a true gunsmith trigger job and you’ll say the same.

My Springfield 9mm Target has a 1911 trigger, but it is not the greatest. My unworked RIA Match is significantly better.

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by crufflers

My Springfield 9mm Target has a 1911 trigger, but it is not the greatest. My unworked RIA Match is significantly better.

Crufflers ... what specifically did you ask the gunsmith to perform (e.g. break, weight, etc.)???

[crufflers]

Originally Posted by Dirtlaw

Crufflers ... what specifically did you ask the gunsmith to perform (e.g. break, weight, etc.)???

I didn't get either worked on. RIA 1911 Match FS and SA 9mm Loaded Target are both stock. IMHO both a very good representations of each. I have seen a few Loaded Targets with issues. Mine was a good one. Both are great to shoot. My kind of 1911's (less than a grand and reliable).

BUT the RIA has a better trigger. I would not have either worked on though. They are fun to shoot.

[Dirtlaw]

I am trying really hard to stop buying new things and to perfect what I have. Triggers, I think, are hugely important. I will likely die before each is perfection. I should have started much sooner. Alas.

[tanks]

Originally Posted by Dirtlaw

I am trying really hard to stop buying new things and to perfect what I have. Triggers, I think, are hugely important. I will likely die before each is perfection. I should have started much sooner. Alas.

"Perfect is the enemy of good."

[JTROKS]

Originally Posted by crufflers

My Springfield 9mm Target has a 1911 trigger, but it is not the greatest. My unworked RIA Match is significantly better.

I have an RIA Pro Match Ultra HC and the trigger is heavy. I can actually feel that there’s a heavy load up before the hammer hooks break free. The trigger pull is very inconsistent at about 6 lbs, not gritty, but not a clean break. I highly doubt the sear and hammer are good enough to cut and polish, I just might just to see. I’m not trying to bash RIAs. I have handled some RIA 1911s that had better trigger than this one I have.

On the other hand my Springfield Armory Loaded Target and RO in 9mm are holding up with their sub 3 lb trigger jobs with the stock MIM parts.

If you have a 1911 trigger you’re not happy with ask your local gunsmith that’s knowledgeable what it takes to clean it up. There are levels of trigger work. You can get it cleaned up to remove grit and have a cleaner hammer break, not match grade maybe a clean 4-5 lb weight depending on the quality of internal parts (hammer, sear, disconnector) this is highly possible. Another level is a 3 lb trigger job that can be considered match grade that may require investing on mid priced parts. Then there’s the Grand Master grade that is usually sub 2 lb. definitely requires high quality parts machined from hard tool steel grade steel.

[CifaldiPrecision]

The work involved in all trigger jobs, no matter the weight of pull desired, are the same. The difference being materials used.

I always replace the sears because the OEM sears once stoned create an inconsistent pull weight. What sear I replace it with is dependent on the job. If we are staying in the 4-4.5 or even down to 3.5 range a simple duty type sear is fine as they are consistent hardness.

If we are going below 3.5 then better material parts are used.

Doesn’t matter the trigger job though. Primary and secondary angle on the sear are addressed, hammer hooks are addressed and all the same work goes into everything. Doesn’t matter the weight of pull, all the following and then some are addressed creep, crispness and safety. The only difference is the tuning of the springs for desired weight.


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[oddjob]

I have three 9mm 1911's. All are reliable. The key to the 9mm 1911 from what I've experienced is the magazines. I run Tripp 10 rd mags in one because it doesn't get along well with the Wilson's. The others likes Wilsons and Tripp.

I shoot USPSA and the 9mm 1911 is a great platform. Rob Leatham won the World Shoot in IPSC in Classic Division (single stack) once with a 9mm 1911. Quite a few matches are being won with this platform. The last Gridiron Match in single stack division (Single Stack & Production only) was won with a 9mm. The top 3 SS were in 9mm.

I would get the SA 9mm Target over the EMP.

good luck!!

[BigPimping]

Do yourself a favor. Get the Glock 17 or Glock 19. You can also afford a ton of ammo along with it. Then be happy.

[smittty]

Originally Posted by BigPimping

Do yourself a favor. Get the Glock 17 or Glock 19. You can also afford a ton of ammo along with it. Then be happy.

After you get a G17 or G19 is when you get the 9mm 1911.

I built my own 9mm 1911 on an 80% alloy receiver and it's definitely "my" favorite gun. I fit every single part to best of my patience. I said patience because that's probably the most important skill in building one!

My trigger is outstanding and everything that went into it was sort of trial and error until it fit my hands perfectly.

If you have the patience I would suggest building one. The satisfaction from a great shooting gun that you made yourself is the highest level imo!

I should add, if you're going to have one 1911 I would suggest it be a 9mm!

[Calier]

They are nice. I have owned a Kimber 1911 in 9mm, shot well and was a very nice looking gun.