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$13 "standard" shotgun
Got this the other day for exactly $13 and was wondering if you guys could help me out. Old single barrel 12 gauge. Sold to me as an antique at a garage sale . Took some quick pictures see if you could hopefully give me more details on it? Only writing I've seen is the standard on the side and serial number 836. Any questions just ask. Thanks
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I don't think long gun FTF is legal anymore.
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Sweet, I'd pay $13.00 every day for a wall decoration like that.
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I think you've been had. It looks like an early 1900s single-shot shotgun, but I can't find anything on that brand. My guess would be that it was either one of the multitude of low-cost shotguns that came in from Europe around that time, or an off-brand gun made for a retailer by one of the American companies. Either way, they were never worth much. And I don't know if I would even consider that one to be functional. It might make a cool decoration. But I wouldn't try firing it, even with a tire and a looong string.
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If it is serial numbered doesn't that mean it is probably from the 50s or later?
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So.......this probably isn't an antique then?
Uh oh! Good thing you got you 03FFL and COE....right?
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Not sure if its actually a serial number or not, and wouldn't there need to be something more on the gun besides that and an unknown manufacturer? It would probably have to be a known company if it was from after the 50's?
Might be worth it to turn in also. Last edited by edgarchavez; 05-20-2015 at 8:30 PM.. |
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Not necessarily. Some manufactures have serialized most of their long guns since the 1860's or even before that.
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Big update, just looked under barrel says model 1856 or 66 and some word I can't read because its blocked by the break open. So its definently old, will take apart and pictures soon to follow! Edit; pic added, dont know how to completely disassemble so sorry for the missing part. also found patents for October 1866, any useful info?
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My 1911 says model 1911.....it was not made in 1911.
that can make a nice lamp post.
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The general outline of the receiver identifies it as one of the very large number of that type of inexpensive shotgun built by the 'Massachusetts Arms Co.' of Chicopee Falls, Mass.
These are found marked with a wide variety of 'brand names', as they were built on contract for many large wholesale suppliers to hardware stores, and mail-order suppliers like Sears Roebuck. Someone, somewhere, may have done a study on these, in which approximate date ranges of production may be identified by subtle changes in the machining of components. i rather doubt that, but it may happen someday, just as historical trivia. The one pictured probably was built in the early to mid 1890's, tho, as may be seen by the cut on the left side of the receiver for the lock for the action swivel screw, which, on the early ones, was removed to take the shotgun apart. Later versions just used a pressed swivel pin, and had the parts dimensioned so that the barrel would come away from the receiver after the forearm was removed. (the forearm was held by an 'over-centre' spring, and a firm pull downwards would remove the forearm from the barrel. If the bore and chamber aren't badly rust-pitted, the barrel could be polished-out a bit, and it would be safe to fire with black powder rounds. (Ive seen quite a few of them do just fine with modern low-base 'trap-loads', but I daren't recommend firing any smokeless loading in a pre-1900 vintage shotgun......I can tell you, tho, from first-hand experience, that one of those will kill a duck or goose just as dead as will any much more 'elegant' and more costly shotgun.....i. e., they are usually full-choke, and will pattern well.) I don't know just how many of that style of shotgun had been produced, over the years, but it was a very large number, as they were a staple product for several New England small-arms plants. Generally, they were a strong, simple action, and almost never malfunctioned, except they will be found with broken firing pin tips from dry-firing. Turning a replacement firing pin, when needed, is a simple and easy task, using a 'grade 5' or 'grade 8' capscrew as the 'turning stock'. cheers Carla |
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Thanks Carla! Might have to try it some day. -Edgar |
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