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I hope to re-apply again at the end of March. Let us know how things go. -178S Last edited by One78Shovel; 02-29-2012 at 5:47 PM.. |
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-Brandon
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Start to finish, the process took ~20 minutes.
Records clerk looked over my paperwork..copied my DL..asked me for the fees..fingerprinted me and sent me on my way.. She said it takes about 4 weeks to get a response from the BG and fingerprinting.. Overall.. Picked up my application for CCW on Thursday, February 23 Had my appointment for CCW on Thursday, March 1 By the end of March, I should hear the decision Thats a pretty fast turn-around |
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That is an encouraging improvement.
I just moved from a shall-issue state (Pennsylvania) and I find the situation here surreal. I read the Ventura County Sheriff's SEVEN pages of instructions for applying for full use of my fundamental right under the Constitution. It's apparent we have made a huge amount of progress, but the mere fact that anyone requires seven pages of instructions to explain to me to how to go about realizing my rights is a bit of a shock to my system. Regardless, keep up the good fight! |
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I applied along with my wife using previous good cause statements, as they are applicable to us. We were told by the interviewers that we probably would not get our licenses and that we should not move forward. We did anyways... not I am just waiting for our denial letter in the mail. I plan on appealing... I have no faith that anyone who is not an LEO is going to get a LTC in this county. I was told by the Oxnard PD that unless you are retired LEO that you are NOT going to get a LTC, and that you have absolutely no reason to have one.
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A year ago, based on the lawsuit and everyone's talking i really thought Ventura Country was going to be much different in a positive way. Looks like the only thing that happened is the noose got tightened. The road to denial is faster and more streamlined. My wife and I were anxiously awaiting to apply and now we're mostly just waiting to move out of the state.
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Did you apply to The Sheriff or Oxnard PD?
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Yes, there have been denials. The question is, with identical good cause statements to already approved, which of the denials are going to lawyer up and challenge the VCSO. Will administration follow suit w/ Sacramento and realize they are in a losing battle limiting civil rights unconstitutionally.
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. |
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I can't make these days go by any faster can I? haha |
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Applied in Jan 2012, got the interview quickly. Paid the fees and got fingerprinted. Then 70 days later got denied under the grounds of there isn't enough threat to my safety to justify the permit. I was amused since the sherriff admited that crime was up in Ventura county. I believe that story was in the Ventura County Star a couple of weeks ago.
Would appreciate any ideas on how to effectively appeal. I know there are people who were approved that used the same justification and received their LTC. |
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Before they denied you for free. Thanks to Florida and Arizona, they have issued permits to protect Californians once they leave the state they subsidize daily. -178S |
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I got my denial letter in the mail from the VCSO saying I didn't meet the criteria. Here is my good cause statement.
I will outline the 3 reasons for which I feel are good cause for obtaining a license to carry. I am a Staff Sergeant in the United States Army, with 10 years of honorable service. I understand what it takes, and what is to protect this country, and I have been deployed to combat. I am of good moral character; I currently hold a SECRET clearance with the US Government. I have previously held a Top Secret clearance while serving at Camp Roberts, California. I have extensive firearms training from the US Army, and know how to safely handle a pistol. Through my service I have learned to stay cool under pressure, and to not over react when the situation does not dictate force is required. I am very familiar with the escalation of force, and would only meet the level of force require to dissolve a situation when protecting myself or my family. I am not a drug user, as I am tested by the US Army frequently to prove this fact. 1. I hire people to work for the United States Government, more specifically the Department of the Army. Through my job I incur a great deal of undue prejudice outside of my job. I do realize that while I work in a federal building, and will be unable to carry a weapon for self-defense while I am at work. I incur this prejudice while I am in my civilian clothing as people know who I am, and I frequently have people make threats, and once incident where a man attacked me merely because of my job. *OMMITTED* attacked me while I was attending a*OMMITTED* for a future soldier on the *OMMITTED*. I have reason to believe that people are capable of anything, and rejecting someone for the service provides this motivation for them to bring me harm when I am alone, and out of uniform. 2. I operate a web design business in my off time from my job with the US Army. I design, program, and develop website for local businesses and people. Upon completion of the job I am frequently paid in cash for these transactions, and depending on the website, it may be in the thousands of dollars. I feel carrying this sum of money with no way to protect myself to be foolish. 3. I am an outdoor enthusiast and frequently make my way into very remote areas of California. I take backpacking and camping trips with myself, my wife, and my step daughter. I frequently travel to areas where rapid response from the police department would be impossible. I take my family with me on these trips, and without the ability to unloaded open carry my handgun I have no means to protect myself or my family. Remote areas and rest stops are not statistically the safest areas of the country. Attacks from wild animals are not likely, but not impossible. The have been 12 cited attacks from bears in the last 20 years. The most prevalent threat would be attacks from people who are running drug operations, or growing marijuana in the remote areas I travel to. These remote areas range from San Diego to Redding. When on our excursions we typically sleep in a tent, and have no safe shelter to hide in. In conclusion I feel a license to carry is justified for the above reason. Thank you for your time.
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I am starting to wonder that if you have an Oxnard address it leads to immdediate denial. If you can't get a CCW, many of us are done. -178S |
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You obviously need to look at your reasoning from the sherriffs point of view... 1. You must have said something really wrong to piss off those people. Take a class in conflict resolution. 2. Don't you know there are professionals that can be hired to carry cash? Call Brinks or Guarda... 3. The outdoors IS dangerous! Stay out of there and you won't get hurt. Seriously, though, what is it going to take to get the sherriffs to respect our rights? Is it going to take the assault, robbery, or murder of someone who has been denied LTC? |
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We will see if I am denied. Not to stir the pot, but I have no issues with going to court due to me being denied my rights. |
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I just don't understand how the government can deny/outlaw both open and concealed carry. What makes even less sense is the fact that there is no rhyme or reason as to HOW California denies these rights. GCS #1 is good in this area of CA, but not GCS #2. But you move to another part of CA and suddenly its reversed.
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Benjamin, Unfortunately it seems that CGF has previously stated a lawsuit is a waste of time and resources at this point due to other stayed cases in the courts. |
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-Brandon
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. |
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I have reviewed the article by the VC Star. The reporter who wrote the story on the lawsuit and subsequent order for VCSO to release data, contact information follows. I just left him a voicemail Adam Foxman Title: Staff writer Contact: 805-437-0267 http://www.vcstar.com/staff/adam-foxman/contact/ Last edited by One78Shovel; 03-13-2012 at 6:15 PM.. |
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I guess i can be trusted to hold national secrets, but not a firearm. Unless I am at War.
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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 |
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I left a message too. I'd love to see a public outcry. If it's all about politics, we should play politics. Adam Foxman Title: Staff writer Contact: 805-437-0267 http://www.vcstar.com/staff/adam-foxman/contact/ |
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This is unreal... My wife and I had the exact same good cause statements.... Her permit got approved... mine denied.... I think I am going to appeal this
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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 |
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Hers did not include being attacked....
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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 |
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Sounds like VC has a great ability to be consistent in their approval criteria.. |
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This is so disheartening to read. I too live in VC, I work in a business where I regularly transport audio/visual gear worth 100-300k and I typically must pickup and unload it in some of the sketchiest neighborhoods in Hollywood and LA. I was thinking about applying but as a white male, it seems like an exercise in futility. My wife, OTOH, probably could get one, except that she is a teacher and wouldn't be able to carry while at work, which is where the threat has been the greatest (from a parent, not a student).
Automatikdonn, I would do something about this, that is beyond arbitrary, it's like they have a dartboard in the Sheriff's office for CCWs and 90% of the board is blocked off, "deny" and 10% is marked off "approved". My office I work for is based in Phoenix and when I go there, it is like a whole other world gun-wise. Please, anyone else in VC who has been approved for CCW this year, post and tell us about your GC. |
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I called and asked why and they were unable to say anything other than that I do not meet the criteria to receive a permit at this time....
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Anything that they say can and will be used against them in a court of law ...
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Send them a letter via certified mail (with a return receipt requested) reminding them that their office has duties under the Penal Code:
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Again I find myself here. Looking towards those more educated on this process than I am.
I recieved my second denial letter. With the box checked "good cause, as stated in section 2g". I have congruent good cause to those already approved. I am of "good moral character" for all intents and purposes. I am a resident. This has put a distaste in my mouth for this administration. Someone find me a hope&change bumper sticker. What can I do to help further this process. I thought we were in a LTC friendly county. That the Sheriff was "working" with us. |
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Read the past handful of pages; the data is there.
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. |
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Anyone else see this differently than I? |
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