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Two Events Near Trump Rally While I Was Carrying; Gun Stayed Holstered -Clarification
So I was watching the Trump and anti-trump go after each other by my house. As it got into the night, I decided to leave and saw two crazy events by anti-Trump as well as pro-trump.
I. A bunch of Latinos and a single White guy in seperate cars are yelling at each other. This comes to the Latinos getting out at a red light and they started kicking the guys car. II. A minivan stopped at a light with a Hispanic male in a Trump hat. The Latinos on the street say this and called him race trator then climbed on his car. Remember carry smart guys.
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There is nothing in your post that would seem to warrant un-holstering of your gun. You observed some car kicking and yelling but nothing more. Your choice to watch seemed appropriate. I will say that the conduct that some of the minorities are displaying against Trump is troubling and actually anticipated. Americans should not tolerate this kind of behavior. I would have called the police.
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Personally I would avoid events like that if I was armed. If you get in a fight and someone gets shot it could become a national story and who knows what happens to CCWs for everyone at that point. I don't see the situations you described as being legit to pull your gun at all. Maybe if they jumped on your car, but you shouldn't be out trying to intervene in anything like this in my opinion, and I can assure you that OCSD would not want you to do what you were thinking about doing.
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Jesus what a bunch of un educated brain washed zombies. It is not your job as a LTC holder to protect anyone else.
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Good call, no one was in imminent danger.
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Let the cops do the work they're paid to do.
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This!
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Sounds like murder 2 if you had shot anyone, maybe even murder 1 if they could show prior planning.
Kicking a car isn't life threatening.
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Someone oughta kill this thread.
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Boy, it's getting deep!
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Yup. Keep "great bodily harm or imminent death" in mind. OP, no need at all to unholster.
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You can't ccw intentionally going into a demonstration. I left mine home and went and took some pics until swat got in my face and decided it ignore the 1st ammendment. Local PD was cool though and didn't hastle me for taking pictures.
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many states prohibit any person from possessing a firearm while participating in or attending any demonstration held at a public place. Im pretty sure we are included in this. That what was taught at my class. What county are you in?
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Yup...that is my understanding also. Part of the reason for this were shootings that happened, on both sides, as unions organized 100+ years ago.
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California has no law against CCW during any demonstration. There are only restrictions on carrying in a polling place.
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Why let your car get jumped on and kicked? Were they boxed in? Just drive off, you're not responsible for the safety of a violent attacker.
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A CCW is not a badge.
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No LEGAL duty is right.. but isn't what I was talking about. Our fellow calgunner had no legal duty to intervene when he was ccw and saved a young man. Sent from my HTC Desire 626s using Tapatalk
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Maybe not, but the badge is only $24.99 at Bass Pro
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engaged in picketing, or other informational activities in a public place relating to a concerted refusal to work, is guilty of a misdemeanor: (1) Carries concealed upon the person, or within any vehicle which is under the person's control or direction, any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person. (2) Carries a loaded firearm upon the person or within any vehicle that is under the person's control or direction. (3) Carries a deadly weapon. Picketing or even having an informational booth at a job action is a public demonstration, but not in the Op's context. Not all demonstrations are created equally.
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Polling places are off limits. Here is all the PC goodness: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=338205 Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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Try that crap in a free state. Sent from my HTC Desire 626s using Tapatalk
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I don't agree with your thread title-
Two Events At Trump Rally Where I could have Intervened; Based upon what you said, I don't think there was cause to pull on anyone.... 2 willing parties fighting- let them go... 1 person raping another- act 1 person attacking another and the attack could end their life- American History X Curb Stomp - act Idiots being idiots- no action
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I think most of you are overly bashing on the OP. Obviously he did not feel the need to intervene, or he would have. He didn't, so he made the right call. He did what he was supposed to do - watch from a distance and make sure it doesn't escalate. Probably should've called the police, although I understand that they were probably a little tied up and probably wouldn't have showed up until after everyone left anyways.
I'm not sure what the point of the thread was - kudos for not doing something he shouldn't do? Not sure... but it sounds like everyone is jumping to conclusions that the OP was considering intervening, he never said he was considering it.
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A reasonable man would expect such an event to be rife with hostility with a probability of physical confrontation. A responsible man would try to avoid such situations. Someone who intentionally arms himself and then goes to stand around at such an event is just looking for trouble.
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2) He was at home. Is your point that he was being irresponsible carrying a weapon at his own house with a CCW permit (or even without)?
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No you are not. It seems like the OP has acquired a case of Da, Da, Da, Daa, since he received his CCW.
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Might want to re-read the OP.
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