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It's ironic these people say that a 5.56 won't kill anything bigger than a 'yote but hundreds of thousands of people have been killed by them in Viet Nahm, Iraq, Afghan, Panama, Grenada, Croatia, etc etc.
American feral hogs die pretty easily with just a reasonably decent shot. |
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How did the high shoulder shot work out? Did you recover the bullet or did it pass through? Did it break the spine? Both shoulders? I'm genuinely curious about the efficacy of the 55 grain Barnes TSX. It's a sturdy bullet. |
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A barrel, bolt, and mag for a 6.8SPC is not 75% of an AR-15. And anyways, you will end up buy a whole new AR-15 to add to the pile so you may as well go for it. If you get a bolt gun, you would probably get a different cartridge.
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What about a AR upper chambered in 7.62??
What about 12 gauge slugs? whats the range on hunting with slugs? My Semi shotgun can hold 9 rounds, I m guessing that would slow a few hogs down. I ve never been hog hunting but it seems like it would be sooo dam fun.
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12 gauge slugs work rather well, but I wouldn't shoot anything past 100 yards with one. Quote:
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The boys at Aberdeen Proving Grounds (look it up) wanted smaller and lighter ammo so a soldier could carry more along with lighter recoil than the common M14 of the day so inexperienced soldiers could shoot it more accurately (less flinching). It didn't hurt that the M16 was in the low 7lbs and the M14 is...well...heavy. |
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A bolt gun would be the cheapest route. And then you pick any decent deer cartridge and call it a day. Of course, that isn't nearly as much fun sometimes. .223 didn't used to be good for anything but varmints. Yes, it worked on people, but being "humane" isn't all that high on the list when it comes to fighting people. For game, you typically had FMJs or soft-nosed bullets that were so thin-skinned that they would shatter when they hit anything fleshy, and leave nasty, shallow wounds on anything bigger than a coyote half the time. With the newer generation of bullets, that isn't the case. In the last decade or so, they have been making .223 bullets that are designed to take medium game humanely. The barnes TSX and similar bullets let the .223 punch above its weightclass. And while still not as good as a full-powered cartridhge, they seem to be racking up a steady stream of pigs and deer.
Of course, with all that, I am still partial to the 6.8. It works for me, and I can load it up to be a near ballistic twin to the .257 Roberts. See my picture in the 6.5/6.8 thread that is going right now for the 200 ound hog I took with it last year. -Mb
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If your asking about the capability of 5.56 on hogs then please use a larger caliber. And this is coming from a guy who uses 5.56/.223 exclusively for CA big game hunting. Shot placement is key and distance is its limited capability. Ive shot deer at 250 yards but I wouldnt shoot at game any further then 300.
Someone asked about penetration, using Wolf 55g HP will penetrate both shoulders of a deer and complete pass through with no problem but I wouldn't recommend that cartridge for hunting as its expansion is very limited. |
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Is it legal to use that round on that sized game in CA. I don't think for deer, but hogs are not subject to the same game regulations and considered invasive species so maybe. I'd still use a bigger round like 6.8 SPC and maybe load an even heavier bullet than the light standard one for 6.8 SPC keep distances shorter—but while I haven't done it, those who do seem to think similarly. I believe as a hunter I should try to kill humanely not just shoot because I can hit a target at a longer range. I will try 6.8 SPC for hog one day.
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Do you hunt in California? CA says it's legal to use any center fire rifle on regulated game species. Pigs, by the virtue of requiring a tag are a regulated game species, unless on a depredation permit. Likewise you have to use expanding bullets, no fmj, i.e. no milsurp ammo.
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Bacon yeah—with all that curing I don't have patience with either. Pancetta and proscuitto too. But wild pig chops, shoulder, sausage, spare ribs, and more? You are missing a lot if you haven't tried it.
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Whenever someone does a thread like this, you get a ton of different opinion and a lot of the things I've read here are not crazy.
People just weigh things differently and that's OK with me. CA used to require a great than .23 cal for hunting - now its simply "centerfire" with bullet rqts. For a lot of our coastal "rat" deer, a well-placed .223 will do just fine. Accent on well placed though. For me, I decided to build a 6.8 SPCII as my deer/pig hunting platform. Although I have seen guys get to take 20 minutes setting up on a sleeping pig at 100 yards (and still pull the shot ) I have never had an opportunity on a pig that wasn't moving. I decided that I wanted something with more oomph than a .223.
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I'm with "Drive" - lots of different options, trade-offs and thus different choices. I have a Rock River Arms 458 SOCOM upper on a Noveske N4 lower. I'd take that hog hunting in a heartbeat.
Would not take it deer hunting, just cuz I'd rather use something in the ~.30 range, and the bullet weight of the 458 makes the bullet drop pretty steep beyond 200-250 yards. But it's all trade-offs.... I personally like the stopping power of the 458, and the standard PMAGs fit the rounds and cycle well in the platform. But like the guys using the 6.8's, you have to be prepared to deal with "non-standard" ammo (harder to find, more expensive). |
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OP, the few that have done it already gave you the answer. On the other hand, you got the "I think", " I would've", " I might" that put you all over the place. 5.56 or just go and buy a 50 cal just to hunt squirrels. Your choice. |
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If the 5.56 round is not effective for small game why does the military use it? I am not trying to troll just confused. I would imagine a 5.56 round is more of a "shoot and mame" configuration? It is harder "psychologically" to pick up a rifle and fight U.S. soldiers if you buddy has a massive bleeding hole in his leg,arm,neck etc. and is bleeding out. I don't know, I always rationalized the 5.56 in this manner. I guess for hog hunting you want more knock down power so the animal can't escape and bury down in brush possibly losing the kill?
Educate me as well. |
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Last time I was staying down in TX, we were having a massive hog problem tearing everything up. So I wasn't hunting them so much, but did dispatch a few using these:
http://www.ssarmory.com/223REM_62gr_...mmunition.aspx They worked really well with good expansion
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Buy a Remington 700 in a .270 and be done with it.
There is a difference between hunting and killing. A hunter uses an appropriate round to take specified game. While many calibers will work, the question is what is most suited.
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I think rather they are saying that if you are going to choose a firearm, then try to be humane about it because you have a choice and an option to be more humane with little extra effort or hindrance to getting the animal—so why not be as humane as you can? Doesn't hurt. Bow hunters jsut don't have too many options to choose from regarding more or less humane kills. Does that make sense to you or am I not expressing it the way I think I am?
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I mean if a 5.56 is all you have and you want to get a taste for hunting, by all means. But if you have larger calibers in your safe, why not use the better hunting round?
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Exactamente. Be humane because you can and as a human, you want to be. And because as a Calgunner you know we are ambassadors of our sport and RKBA and our character (doing the right thing when no one is looking) is important.
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Well put !
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Amen brotha.
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Didn't realize the thread was still moving. Yes, my term gassed refers to the proper cycling of the bolt/carrier. Early on and still today a bunch of people had issues with improper location of gas tubes and port sizes on the barrel. This made for some interesting cycling issues on the 300blk. While the AR platform bolt will compensate for a little head space variance, it doesn't mean its right. The bolt should be properly checked for distance in between the barrel chamber and bolt for reliable/safe use. Most people just put parts together and assume they will work, this is not always the case because today's definition of "milspec" seems to vary with manufacturers. 90% of the time it is just better to buy a completed upper, the parts have been tested and fit for correct operation; Plus you have a warranty if anything goes wrong.
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