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Jan 2018 Map (Rev 2) and Table (Rev 3) updated in post #1.
San Diego County is now Light Green.
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Maybe it's crass political maneuvering on Gore's part, or maybe it reflects a true change of heart re. CCWs. (Remember, he stopped all appeals and wrote to CA9 telling them he's dropping all appeals after we won the 3-judge panel in Peruta). Either way, RIGHT NOW the best evidence is that SD Co is at least "light green." Why do baggss and I believe that? Because of what San Diego County Gun Owners PAC posted the other day (emphasis added): Quote:
When Gore is issuing CCWs when your GC is hiking/camping in the desert where there's weak/no cell coverage and therefore, long or no LE response, rather than just saying "Don't do that" or "Don't go there," you know there's been a seismic shift in SDSO's CCW policy. NOTE WELL: while I'm saying, for many of you, now's the time to apply for a CCW in SD Co, I'm NOT taking a position on who you should vote for/against for sheriff come June.
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Some encouragement for newbies and oldies alike.
Here's the map from back in 2010. That was a couple of years before I got involved with the production of it and there are a few things I disagree with. IMO, San Mateo Co never went to light green. Only Gene H. and Gray quoting Gene said it was that way. I went through ALL of the posts from that time and, as best I can tell, it went only to yellow, if that. They may have treated Gene like light green and gave him the impression they treated everyone else the same, but that's not what other posters said. I'm not sure if San Joaquin Co was light green then either: probably yellow. Last, I think Riverside Co was yellow too. Although Sheriff Sniff was talking a good game at the time, IIRC, posters were saying he was still stingy with CCWs. Now compare that to where we are today! What had been -- esp if SM Co was only yellow -- one continuous block of anti counties from Sonoma Co down the coast to San Diego Co and then over to Imperial Co has been broken apart, just like the Berlin Wall/Iron Curtain! As I have been saying for many, many years, if the federal cases don't win Carry for us, the fight will be county-by-county, and even city-by-city, within CA, just like it has been state-by-state within the USA for the past 30+ years.
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I was chatting with a guy who lives in Corona and is applying. He is saying that, from his sources and information from the county, they are accepting PP as good cause and the process is moving along fairly quickly.
I told him that people were claiming 2 year processing time and apparently only one person processing the load, he said that was not correct. Maybe someone else can confirm they have improved and maybe even become dark green?
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ETA: It used to be that when people in the SFBA asked me about CCWs, I'd say unfortunately, in the major urban counties, where most of the people are and therefore where most of the crime is, you can't get one. But as of now, for the first time in the history of CA, a majority of CAians live in counties that readily issue CCWs.
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I don't think So Co should have been changed from dark red to light red. Will they issue a ccw?....yes, if you're a female real estate agent carrying enormous amounts of cash or jewelry on your person and having open houses in the boondocks out of cell coverage from 1:00am-3:00am while all sheriff cars are in the garage for repairs at the same time and Henry 1 (the helicopter) is having rotors replaced and the 911 call center is going through a software update which renders it useless....MAYBE you'll get one - and then it will be restricted to that specific time and task.
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Regardless, SD Co readily issuing means there's now pressure on Imperial to liberalize issuance: they'll be getting flooded with folks w/CCWs from Riverside and SD counties now. Sheriff Loera is running unopposed so this will be his, IIRC, 4th term in office. There's nothing important in Imperial Co, just jack rabbits and coyotes.... I won't waste any time or effort trying to change it. In SoCal, only LA Co matters now. Santa Barbara Co is like the Marin Co of the county: if those wealthy, liberal elites (think Opra) want to stay unarmed (while paying veterans and/or LEOs to act as their armed bodyguards), that's fine with me. I don't care about them. In NorCal only SF, San Mateo Co, Santa Clara Co, Ala Co and CoCoCo matter. They are the "vital 5" we need to beat. We could win Marin, Sonoma, Napa and Yolo (and Santa Cruz) and that wouldn't change a thing. But change 1 or more of those "vital 5" in the SFBA, and that would be a MAJOR win, with a major impact on crime, # of CCWers, size of population liberated, indirect impact on local, state and national politics and/or culturally. Those "vital 5" of the 9 SFBA counties are key. The rest are just "gravy", territory to change their colors on the map. Quote:
I do know that when we won Peruta in '14, Sonoma SO flipped immediately to SD = GC, but then went back a week or two later saying they'll wait until the mandate issues. So, IOW, they were ready and waiting to go SD = GC, but TPTB made them change their mind.... Then a year or two ago, Sonoma SO tried again to accept SD = GC in exchange for getting fully reimbursed for doing psych evals on ALL CCW applicants. IOW, the don't mind GGs w/guns, but they wanted to really make sure you're a GG by pushing GMC high before gutting GC. But the NRA, in its infinite wisdom via Michel & Associates law firm threatened to sue them to stop them from charging more than the statutory maximum for psych evals. So, once again, Sonoma SO backed off from SD = GC and you've got what you've got today.... "Thanks, NRA!" If I were in charge, I'd have let them charge those extra fees. I'd let them issue a TON of CCWs where SD = GC for folks willing to pay those extra fees (wealthy or just really wanted a CCW). Then, after thousands of Sonoma Co residents now had "skin in the game"/a vested interest in making the sheriff issue CCWs, I'd sue them for charging too much. The sheriff, probably, would be forced to refund the excess fees, and all those people would DEMAND he not take back their CCWs, but rather keep on accepting SD = GC, but just do psych evals on the few he felt necessary for initial permits. That's how I would have handled it, with an outcome similar to what happened initially w/Hutchens in OC: there were too many former CCWers to just give up and "fade away". Instead they rallied and Hutchens eventually gave in (after cleaning out the corruption), and that's why OC today as ~14,000 CCWers.
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When you can buy your way to getting SD = GC, that's a trade I'd make! Last, the map states a county's actual practice may be off by 1 color. So, if you think Sonoma should be dark red (or yellow), light red on the map covers it too. Can you adjust your phone's software to not post this advertisement with every post you make?
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We can thank Imperial for giving us "One Bill Gil" Cedillo who did nothing but push drivers licenses for illegals until Davis signed it. Davis's recall took the wind out of his sails for a while, he's now taking advantage of LA residents. The Imperial County Sheriff is quite proud of the fact that the only county with fewer civilian CCW in this state is San Francisco.
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As for me, like I already said, Sonoma and the others don't really matter, even in NorCal. I won't spend time on them. I don't get paid for this. I'll just focus on the "vital 5" in the SFBA.
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Thanks, I never think of them being in So Cal like the other SB/San Bernardino.
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Don't understand the thinking behind this.
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What I think he means is that folks with newly issued permits in SD and Riverside county will be crossing into Imperial county during the course of their daily routines. There are probably as many CCW's from surrounding counties actually within the Imperial county limits on any given weekend as if they just started issuing.
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Like I've said before, what we're doing within CA with the SD/PP = GC movement is like what has happened and is happening within the USA with the Shall Issue/ConCarry movement. Just as the last holdout 8 anti states are in a panic about national reciprocity passing and allowing MILLIONS of out-of-state CCWers carry within their states, so CA anti sheriffs dread having hundreds or thousands of out-of-county CA CCWers carrying within their counties.
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Regarding the chart, I can confirm that Glendora has issued at least 2 permits. Someone I know just successfully renewed his permit and I met a Calgunner last year who had recently been issued a permit from Glendora PD. The former is a former GPD LEO, while the latter IIRC had rather exceptional good cause.
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Think of all the democrats that live in these counties. Not a single one of them would get a CCW and at least by voting they greatly outnumber the folks that would CCW. Criminals aren't good with numbers (I'm assuming) and would play the odds that 9.9 of 10 times they are committing a crime against someone that won't do a damn thing to defend themselves. This is of course all my opinion as well based on how I see the counties vote. As well as how most democrats are anti-gun. Also basing it on what most of the local news has reported as crimes which I'm sure is not statistically accurate. I'm just wondering what you are basing your opinion on.
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You're right: CCWs won't have a "major" impact on crime. That was just being a little to enthusiastic. I try to base my opinions re. CCWs and their use on my list of >225 incidents linked in my sig line (scattered over 2 pages of posts).
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Next you're going to say sheriffs do not issue to applicants who do not have proof of Good Cause -- you know, 1 of 4 requirements set by CA state law for CCW applicants. (The other 3 being country residency, GMC and passing training.) Ah, to be young and naive again.... ETA: As I post re. what the California State Auditor found out about LASD and CCWs, I saw that you had participated in the thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1319779&page=4). Have you already forgotten what reality is in CA (vs what is legal)??? Quote:
http://www.auditor.ca.gov/reports/2017-101/summary.html That 2nd part I bolded violates Guillory v. County of Orange/Gates, a 14th A EP 9th Circuit case. That report was released on their website last Dec, 5 months ago. The public all knows about this. The media reported upon it. Be sure to let me know when LA Sheriff McDonnell gets "sued, lost and paid significant penalties. [McDonnell doesn't] remain[] in charge. The black letter law of the statute [] kill[s McDonnell]". Until someone sues them, sheriffs -- the chief "law enforcement officers" of the county -- obey the law when they want and they violate it when they want.
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Ah, to be uninformed. I was slightly taken aback by your response because you usually are far more intelligent in your writings. Anyway, please don’t push too hard on that “young” thing, or Social Security and Medicare will stop supporting me....Naïveté left when my 1A draft card arrived in the late ‘60s. But, you’re young......
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IMO, just going by the known corruption in LASD and, like I pointed out, since the CSA's report, it is unlikely anyone would sue him on their own. Plus, if they want a CCW, suing makes no sense: you spend $$,$$$ on lawyers to get him to pull psych evals and he goes back to virtually no issuance of CCWs That's a Pyrrhic victory. Sounds like something Bloomberg would do rather than the NRA. My position is that the NRA should have not threatened to sue. That way the sheriff would have issued a TON of CCWs for SD = GC. Better to be able to get a CCW for "normal" costs + $450 (or whatever it was their psychologist was going to charge) for an initial CCW (not mandatory with renewals, IIRC), than not to have that option and not be able to get a CCW at all (for average law-abiding folk). (1) In time, the media would stop the hissy fit over CCWs. Just like in every state that has liberalized issuance, there's NEVER been the predicted (by the MSM and anti LEOs), "blood in the streets," "High Noon" shootouts over fender-benders and parking spaces. Remember the outcry re. campus carry in TX a year or two ago? Now there's been absolute silence from the MSM -- they don't cover it because they don't want the public to see it is no big issue. (2) In time, esp since the MSM will stop covering it, the sheriff would get more comfortable issuing CCWs and could make the psych evals optional and just rely upon clean background checks and GMC. How can I say that? In EVERY state since '86, once a state liberalizes issuance, they NEVER go back to restrictive. That is also true for county sheriffs within CA. The ONLY exception being OC after the Carona corruption, when Hutchens pulled a lot of CCWs, but then later liberalized issuance once again. (For newbies, OC expects break 20,000 active CCWs in a year or two. IIRC, they're now ~12,000 -- already probably the most ever issued by a CA sheriff.) If the sheriff didn't liberalize issuance more, once you've got several thousand Sonoma residents with CCWs, with "skin in the game," they'll be more likely to get active in the sheriff's race and, if someone comes along who's even more pro-CCW (get rid of mandatory psych evals), they'll throw their support behind him/her. Sonoma accepting SD = GC would also (3) put pressure on Marin and Napa to also liberalize issuance. (Note I did NOT claim they'd bend to that pressure, but every little bit helps in the SFBA.) (4) Last, the CA CCW GC map would look a LOT prettier with Sonoma "green".
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I see this is far more important to you than I, so, I shall leave you with it.
Enjoy.
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Just wanted to let you know, I don't think you have 40 states reciprocity anymore with those permits. Minnesota dropped Nevada and Pennsylvania dropped New Hampshire non-resident permits. Just wanted to let you know so you don't end up in hot water.
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AZ, UT, and FL give you the most bang for the buck. It is not possible for a Californian to legally CCW in Colorado, New York, Hawaii, as they do not recognize CA or non-resident permits, and do not issue their own non-resident permits. It is certainly POSSIBLE to legally carry in 44 or 45 states, but anything over 36 is going to be "onsie twosie"... a lot of work, expense, and in some cases travel, not really worth it unless you regularly travel to those states.
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Map Update for Fall 2018.
Note: I'm not updating the table as often, maybe once a year tops. County CCW issuance numbers are increasing difficult to find. The table may eventually go away unless there is some demand for it. Please post comments for additions and/or changes in this thread, PM or e-mail me.
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