Orange - Page 5

Doheny · #**161** 05-06-2012, 8:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wildhawker

No, this is a partial response by OCSO.

-BC

So what's the suggested approach? Apply now or wait?

M. D. Van Norman · #**162** 05-06-2012, 9:31 AM

About what I expected so far. I guess I need my own HVAC business. Who knew fixing air conditioners was so dangerous?

Anchors · #**163** 05-06-2012, 6:21 PM

I dug through it and definitely think I could meet the good cause, but I'm still afraid of being denied.

And personal interviews, possible psych eval, etc? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I already carry at work and home, the only other time I would like to carry is between the two and maybe when I'm out eating. That and roadtrips. That would be a good time that I have always preferred to carry where I am legally allowed to do so.

Brianguy · #**164** 05-06-2012, 7:35 PM

Glad to see some progress. Donation sent

HowardW56 · #**165** 05-06-2012, 8:57 PM

Orange County Denied Good Cause Statements (batch #1) can be found Here

Anchors · #**166** 05-06-2012, 11:59 PM

Those denied statements seem to either be far stretched or mention defending others (non relatives).

1BigPea · #**167** 05-07-2012, 7:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HowardW56

Orange County Denied Good Cause Statements (batch #1) can be found Here

Thanks for providing approved and denied statements.

speedjunkie · #**168** 05-08-2012, 2:52 PM

I see a lot of subjectivity on the Sheriff's part on who was approved and who was denied. Does anybody else see what I see or am i imagining things?

HowardW56 · #**169** 05-08-2012, 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by speedjunkie

I see a lot of subjectivity on the Sheriff's part on who was approved and who was denied. Does anybody else see what I see or am i imagining things?

You will find that in virtually every counties good cause statements...

CHS · #**170** 05-08-2012, 7:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedjunkie

I see a lot of subjectivity on the Sheriff's part on who was approved and who was denied. Does anybody else see what I see or am i imagining things?

MAY. ISSUE.

Anchors · #**171** 05-09-2012, 1:02 AM

From the few denials I can see, some of them are SO similar to some approved ones that the only difference that stood out was stating a need to "protect clients" or others (non-family members).

I think that is a sure way to turn off whoever is really making the decision as they'll probably think that you should go through the state and get a permit to practice personal protection.

I probably will hold off until it becomes less of a gamble.

Johnny Rico · #**172** 05-17-2012, 2:22 PM

Looks to me one of the easiest slam dunk ways without having to go through some BS about owning a certain type of business looks to become as little as a private pilot.

Doheny · #**173** 07-29-2012, 10:53 PM

Has anyone attempted a CCW in OC since the CG statements were made available? Any update on OC?

Hanse Davion · #**174** 08-02-2012, 11:27 AM

I also saw on this thread that Newport Beach PD would issue, is that true? Can someone confirm this and tell me if there is anything different about going through the Newport Beach PD instead of the OCSD?

Personmans · #**175** 08-22-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Doheny

I'm pretty sure that Irvine issues their own. From their website:

Can anyone confirm that Irvine issues their own? The website does make it seem that way, but I would like to confirm it.

Doheny · #**176** 08-22-2012, 1:33 PM

Yes Irvine does issue, but last time I checked a few years ago they only had three issued.

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Originally Posted by Personmans

Can anyone confirm that Irvine issues their own? The website does make it seem that way, but I would like to confirm it.

Personmans · #**177** 08-22-2012, 3:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Doheny

Yes Irvine does issue, but last time I checked a few years ago they only had three issued.

Sorry for the 20 questions, but:
Is it worth talking to Sgt. Bill Whalen? Have you talked with him at all? Also, do you know how many applied vs were issued? (or issued vs denied)

Doheny · #**178** 08-22-2012, 4:31 PM

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I can't remember who I spoke with via email. He was polite and professional but made it pretty clear that they have a very limited view of what GC is. Not sure of their ratio of issued/denied. Frankly, even as restrictive as OC Sheriff is, I think you'd have a better chance with them (the sheriff.)

Personmans · #**179** 08-23-2012, 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Doheny

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I can't remember who I spoke with via email. He was polite and professional but made it pretty clear that they have a very limited view of what GC is. Not sure of their ratio of issued/denied. Frankly, even as restrictive as OC Sheriff is, I think you'd have a better chance with them (the sheriff.)

I shot them an email to see if I can get some information. I'm really interested in applying if there is a chance it will be accepted. Thanks for your help.

Doheny · #**180** 08-23-2012, 7:26 PM

/\ let us know what they say!

thx

Anchors · #**181** 09-03-2012, 6:44 PM

I hope they issue soon...

Window_Seat · #**182** 09-14-2012, 6:28 PM

I just received an email from the NRA Members' Councils of California, and confirmed it by accessing the Michel Lawyers site:

http://michellawyers.com/mckay-v-sheriff-hutchens/

http://www.archive.org/download/gov....39.docket.html

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September 13, 2012 - In response to continuing complaints from Orange County firearms owners and Second Amendment civil rights activists, attorneys for the National Rifle Association and the CRPA Foundation have filed a lawsuit against Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens in U. S. District Court.

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Here is the complaint.

More to follow (of course).

Erik.

speedjunkie · #**183** 09-14-2012, 7:00 PM

Finally...I was wondering when this was going happen. Great news.

DonFerrando · #**184** 09-14-2012, 7:05 PM

Yesss!! Now this is going to be interesting...

Nirrad · #**185** 09-15-2012, 9:46 AM

Sweet!

lgm118icbm · #**186** 09-17-2012, 6:43 AM

I just hope this fits into the grand scheme...

BlindRacer · #**187** 09-17-2012, 8:04 AM

Well that was a good start to a Monday morning. Nice coming into work and seeing this first thing. Glad it's not some no name lawyer. This could be great!

Phouty · #**188** 09-17-2012, 9:39 AM

Tagged. Finally some action on home front.

1BigPea · #**189** 09-17-2012, 9:50 AM

Awesome!

One78Shovel · #**190** 09-25-2012, 3:52 AM

I am watching this very closely as well. VC Sherriff Dean applies the same oppression that OC Sheriff does.

These rouge policies need reeled in.

Good luck!

-178S

FoxTrot87 · #**191** 09-29-2012, 5:56 PM

I sent a letter to Congressman McClintock... I don't think he can really do anything, but if you've heard his speech on HR 822, you'll more than understand.

FoxTrot87 · #**192** 10-20-2012, 3:19 AM

I've also sent an honest letter to my District's Dana Rohrabacher who voted yes on HR 822.

NWE · #**193** 10-24-2012, 3:18 PM

so i was just reading the newest pdf on the attorneys website and they moved for a dismissal of the county of orange as a defendant, does this mean they are going after sheriff hutchens outside of the county of orange? I'm not a lawyer and I'm confused..

FoxTrot87 · #**194** 10-24-2012, 10:00 PM

It looks like they agreed that the County Board of Supervisors didn't have anything to do with the enforcement of Sandra's policies. Sandra is all alone. Luckily, she at least has a "means" to protect herself.

NWE · #**195** 10-25-2012, 8:09 AM

How long do these court cases usually last? months, years, decades? I got a new 5 inch 1911 i wana CCW for..

M. D. Van Norman · #**196** 10-25-2012, 11:38 AM

We’re still at least two or three years away from a useful ruling.

FoxTrot87 · #**197** 10-26-2012, 8:20 PM

Reply from Congressmen Dana Rohrabacher. Looks like a canned response.

"Thank you for contacting me regarding Second Amendment rights. I appreciate the opportunity to respond to your concerns.

I fully support and defend the right of every law-abiding American to bear arms as detailed in the Second Amendment of the Constitution, and believe fully that this right "shall not be infringed." My commitment to protecting the right of every law-abiding American to responsibly bear arms has earned me an "A" rating from the National Rifle Association. I will continue to support the rights of gun owners who use firearms responsibly, while also working to ensure that those who break the law are punished accordingly. Please be assured I will keep the intent of the Founding Fathers and the Second Amendment in mind should any legislation come to the floor of the House addressing this issue.

Again, thank you for giving me the benefit of your views. Please continue to keep me informed on any federal issues of concern to you."

Sincerely,
Dana Rohrabacher
Member of Congress

FoxTrot87 · #**198** 10-26-2012, 9:05 PM

You know... after reading it a couple more times it might not have been a canned response and simply explaining he can only do something once it goes to the house.