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Old 07-18-2015, 11:14 AM
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'Bout the weight of a Garand...

Add optics, maybe 12 pounds. 13 for those who like bipods.

That's about the minimum for a precision rifle, if you want to tame recoil and shoot it all day. Nope, my engineer's heart says Ruger did a nice job planning this thing. We'll see how it turns out.
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By that logic you can use a Porsche 998 as a school bus, But there's probably better yellow vehicles that you can use for that.

Look, just because you might not want to use a rifle that only weighs 9-11 pounds on something other than a bench, does not mean everyone else is going to do the same. This rifle basically falls right into the lower end of the weight spectrum for rifles that thousands of people use for shooting in positions that don't require a bench. There is more to shooting than hunting rifles and bench guns. Maybe you should take a look at some of the other aspects of shooting sports instead of making ignorant comments?
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Rifle looks very interesting. Might have to go fondle one...
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Well...at least they got the rifling right for the .243 (1:7.7).
Darn it, I just bought a 243 Remington 700 varmint, an AI stock and Jewell trigger. I paid more for the stock than what the Ruger costs and it's still a Rem varmint with the wrong twist!
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One can only wonder if a pistol version will become available in the future.
I doubt it, but I wouldn't mind seeing a bare version of it(also doubt it).
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'Bout the weight of a Garand...

Add optics, maybe 12 pounds. 13 for those who like bipods.

That's about the minimum for a precision rifle, if you want to tame recoil and shoot it all day. Nope, my engineer's heart says Ruger did a nice job planning this thing. We'll see how it turns out.
True... I'm just debating if I should wait for potential kinks to be worked out.
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On of the fads that I am not understanding is this concept of a full Quad tube rails on a bolt rifle. This always results in needing an extra-high mount for the bell of the scope to clear. Really, it's only purpose is for a clip on auxillary scope like a night vision scope, which isn't common for folks to use. If you use one, then you need REALLY high mounts for your primary scope. I am not a small clearance fanboy, but the full rail becomes quite a nuisance for mounting scopes if you do not specifically want it there as you do not have an option of reducing bore height other than cutting the rail.

That's just one of the considerations that I'd lay out there for a new person if you are planning on use a full-sized scope.
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On of the fads that I am not understanding is this concept of a full Quad tube rails on a bolt rifle. This always results in needing an extra-high mount for the bell of the scope to clear. Really, it's only purpose is for a clip on auxillary scope like a night vision scope, which isn't common for folks to use. If you use one, then you need REALLY high mounts for your primary scope. I am not a small clearance fanboy, but the full rail becomes quite a nuisance for mounting scopes if you do not specifically want it there as you do not have an option of reducing bore height other than cutting the rail.

That's just one of the considerations that I'd lay out there for a new person if you are planning on use a full-sized scope.
To be fair, you're already having to mount the scope high on this rifle anyway due to the position of the stock in relation to the receiver. But the same could be said about lots of things, such as people wanting handguards with 4' of rail on an AR with nothing mounted to it.
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reviews show it to have sub-moa accuracy check the reviews above
But is Ruger going to guarantee that for every rifle? Or just the ones that were handmade/tuned for the gun media to test?
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Yeah I'm sure they tested a few before choosing the ones given out to "Testers".....

The Hide review should be taken with a full shaker of salt.

Darn thing looks like a decent entry-level rifle for PRS shooting, taking a variety of magazines is something the other DBM and chassis makers should look into.

Look forward to some real testing results posted here.

A grand for a turn-key rifle; at least it's priced right.
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Ive had 1200$ burning a hole in my pocket for the past month.
I wasnt planning on spending it on another rifle but this has got me thinking
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To be fair, you're already having to mount the scope high on this rifle anyway due to the position of the stock in relation to the receiver. But the same could be said about lots of things, such as people wanting handguards with 4' of rail on an AR with nothing mounted to it.
True, but I think you'd reduce the issues if you simply removed the forward rail and used low mounts as it would let the bell of the scope sit lower than the rail. Standard scopes (which I consider 34mm tube/56mm Objective) simply do not like the tube configuration, and they will generally want to be on a 40mm high mount. The only exception for this is on ELR rigs as you don't have any concern for bore height since you won't be shooting anywhere near your zero.
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I put my deposit on one in 6.5 Creedmoor. There are 4 of us getting the same model. Less than a $1,000 OTD.
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Look, just because you might not want to use a rifle that only weighs 9-11 pounds on something other than a bench, does not mean everyone else is going to do the same. This rifle basically falls right into the lower end of the weight spectrum for rifles that thousands of people use for shooting in positions that don't require a bench. There is more to shooting than hunting rifles and bench guns. Maybe you should take a look at some of the other aspects of shooting sports instead of making ignorant comments?
Blah blah blah.
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Blah blah blah.
So accept that there may be shooting disciplines that you were previously unaware of, do some research, and maybe learn something or even possibly find a new interest within the shooting sports...

or stick your fingers in your ears because you didn't like what you heard
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So accept that there may be shooting disciplines that you were previously unaware of, do some research, and maybe learn something or even possibly find a new interest within the shooting sports...

or stick your fingers in your ears because you didn't like what you heard
Here's a thought, both of you knock it off or I will end the issue and I guarantee the only winner will be me.
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To be fair, you're already having to mount the scope high on this rifle anyway due to the position of the stock in relation to the receiver...
Yes, you are going to have a high mount anyway because the buttstock is set high and inline with the barrel.
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I'm waiting for more reviews. At this price, it is extremely attractive. Could very well be next $1000 hole in my bank account.
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You are putting words in my post -- specifically that the grip is and must be part of the structure. If you look at AI rifles, and particularly the AT and AXMC rifles, they all come with a pistol grip. Same with the AI and AXMC chassis systems, which your picture omits. You may be able to find an aftermarket system for those actions without a pistol grip, but AI rifles now come with pistol grips.

Bottom line is, the pistol grip feature of the Ruger PR is now not uncommon. All new AI rifles now come from the factory with pistol grips. The older AI rifles (AE and AW) that used the non-pistol grip chassis systems have been discontinued in favor of the new system.

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That is false, AI does not have any grip as part of its stock. The pistol grip add-on is no part of the structure. It still looks like this:
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You are putting words in my post -- specifically that the grip is and must be part of the structure. If you look at AI rifles, and particularly the AT and AXMC rifles, they all come with a pistol grip. Same with the AI and AXMC chassis systems, which your picture omits. You may be able to find an aftermarket system for those actions without a pistol grip, but AI rifles now come with pistol grips.

Bottom line is, the pistol grip feature of the Ruger PR is now not uncommon. All new AI rifles now come from the factory with pistol grips. The older AI rifles (AE and AW) that used the non-pistol grip chassis systems have been discontinued in favor of the new system.
Not only is a pistol grip not uncommon, every single new military bolt-action sniper rifle system either in development or recently adopted has a pistol grip. Even the Marine Corps is transitioning their M40s to pistol grip chassis.
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I put my deposit on one in 6.5 Creedmoor. There are 4 of us getting the same model. Less than a $1,000 OTD.
Can you share the source for that price? And do they have more?
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Can you share the source for that price? And do they have more?
I'd imagine 4 people better flex on price.
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Roseville Discount Shooters. Not in possession and waiting for delivery date from distributor.
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Leave it to Ruger to surprise. Great market research; they usually come with something unusual, odd or out of fashion, or nostalgic, attractive in the manner of a new D-10 bulldozer, mechanically innovative and for the most part built like a railroad car truck. Some of their stuff though, seems to be developed by dumping hardware and gun parts into a giant tumbler to see what sticks together.

If I didn't have enough projects to keep me busy for several years, I'd order one on Monday. I'd say go for it, it's only money, the worth of which is determined by what the things we buy teach. I'd have that sucker apart in minutes, talk to several barrel makers and begin tinkering.
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Went to Turner's today and put money down on the 6.5mm.
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You are putting words in my post -- specifically that the grip is and must be part of the structure. If you look at AI rifles, and particularly the AT and AXMC rifles, they all come with a pistol grip. Same with the AI and AXMC chassis systems, which your picture omits. You may be able to find an aftermarket system for those actions without a pistol grip, but AI rifles now come with pistol grips.

Bottom line is, the pistol grip feature of the Ruger PR is now not uncommon. All new AI rifles now come from the factory with pistol grips. The older AI rifles (AE and AW) that used the non-pistol grip chassis systems have been discontinued in favor of the new system.
Show me where the grip is part of the stucture on an AI AT/AX stock. They are simply well-engineered aluminium bars with almost no difference to their predecessors. The pistol grip has nothing to do with the structure.
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Why are you guys arguing about a pistol grip on an entirely different piece of equipment from thread topic
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I would love to have that stock on my AR
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If we hadn't just spent the money for a new AR for me and pistol for my wife I'd be all over one of these. Only real decision would be caliber.
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I would love to have that stock on my AR
It would work great with a side-pull upper...
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I'd be more interested if it was available in 308 with a 24" heavy threaded barrel.
I'd like a 308 with a longer barrel too.

Why did Ruger decide to put a 20" barrel on the 308 instead of a 24"?

Although the difference in bullet velocity between a 20" and 24" barrel is not enormous, it seems to me that the higher bullet velocity of 24" barrel would be better for a rifle marketed as a "precision" rifle that will be used for target shooting.

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Ive had 1200$ burning a hole in my pocket for the past month.
I wasnt planning on spending it on another rifle but this has got me thinking
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Can someone talk me out of one of these in .308? That would be a natural in my collection. The last thing I want is to have to buy another caliber of ammo for my stash. Would I be disappointed in the .308? Is the 6.5 a common round kept in stock at most gun stores? I don't reload. Any input would be appreciated, thanks.
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There are a few good reviews on YouTube and if my view of the magwell was correct it looks like the rifle takes DPMS style "AR 10" magazines. The Turners' price seems pretty good, the GB folks are asking about $1200.00 or so. Maybe an eventual real world price is closer to $900.00.
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Unless nomenclature is coming between us, here is the AT chassis (photos taken from AI website itself btw):



Here is an AXMC chassis:



When you buy an AT or an AXMC, you get that chassis.

Now, unless I am missing something, why are you saying AI rifles do not come with pistol grips?

I have no idea where you got your picture, that it does not seem to reflect a standard AI rifle.

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What JMP saying isn’t wrong, the pistol grip isn’t a structural part of the chassis… it’s a property of the chassis SKINS…

If you remove the skins from the chassis in the picture you posted… the chassis will look identical to what he posted.
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