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What is the best alcohol to store for SHTF?
I am looking to expand my readiness, so far I have 8 1.75 ml. Of the cheapest vodka I could find and I like the plastic bottles it comes in because they will not break easy. Do I buy name brand stuff or stock up on Jack Daniels, and crown?
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Cleaning/disinfecting, drinking, or trade goods?
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i have always thought the little baby 50ML single serve bottles they sell at the register Bevmo would be ideal for trade. a case of jack, cuervo, scotch. would go far. just buy stuff youd actually drink. plus worst case you can uses it as a would cleaner...
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Great idea
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Booze
I would be using it for trading, wound disinfecting, drinking. I was thinking that the clearer the alcohol is, the more pure it is, thus less of a hangover?
Last edited by 1911man; 02-10-2014 at 10:07 PM.. Reason: Info. |
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Go to Costco on a Friday before a good holiday weekend and see what everyone is buying and buy that. In my area it would be Jack by far. Just a thought of people who think they are cowboys or some such.
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I was at a liquor store not too long ago I think it was the bevmo.
I noticed at the cashier/ register check out area they have these very small plastic bags of alcohol (single or double shot I think)of vodka or rum. my first thought would be kids taking it into movie theaters or concerts football games etc. but now that I think about it it would be a light weight to carry something that's a single serving disinfectant and a buzz at the same time. I know I would need a few of them to get drunk. they were a small as those vitamin packages you can buy at the 7-Eleven. |
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The problem with the 'airline bottles' is that they are very expensive! $2.50 - $3.00 / 50 ml, generally; $37.50 - $45.00 for 750 ml, while 1750 ml bottles go for about $20 - ~$0.57 for 50 ml, depending on the liquor. Paying about 5x for convenience seems to me unreasonable.
Otherwise, that's what I might select for trade. Getting little bottles ($10/12 plastic bottles) or test tubes, and filling in front of the trade partner, might work. ETA: rotgut bourbon, cheap vodka or white rum for trade. Something better for bribes/influence.
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For true medicinal use, you need Everclear, the extra strength variety. It can be used to create tinctures or used for topical sterilization. In a pinch you can make mixed drinks with it, using about half what you would use of normal 80-proof spirits. For something without hangover, something made with sprouted grain as the fermenting agent is your best bet. For some reason it is different in this regard than distilled beverages made from yeast fermentation (which include most rums, gins, vodkas and whiskeys). My personal experience with single malt Scotch is that I have not had any ill after-effects, because Scotch by law must be made from sprouted barley. You can get a headache from dehydration, but that is not a true hangover. Alternate drinking single-malt Scotch with a glass of water, and you can drink all night and be none the worse for wear the next morning. Maybe part of the reason this works is that single malt scotch is typically sipped slowly for enjoyment. You don't pound shot after shot like a drunken frat-boy. So while you cruise with a nice buzz over the course of the evening, you are never staggering, falling down, puking, passing-out drunk like the people who just guzzle it down as fast as they can. Being a civilized drinker has a lot going for it. Final comment - as with any prep, experts advocate that you "store what you use" and rotate your stock by using it. Since distilled spirits have a nearly infinite shelf life if stored properly, this part is probably less important than with other items. Still, if you store six bottles of Scotch for emergency use, it may be a good idea to use one, once per quarter, just to keep things fresh. This advice may not be necessary but it is rarely rejected!
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Vodka, Yuk.
Scotch, Whiskey, and Rum, now we're talkin! Don't forget isopropyl alc for wounds and fuel. Since you're preping barter items, a few cases of cigs are a good item as well. And toilet paper, lots of toilet paper. During Katrina, when the shops were being cleaned out, one woman was interviewed buying TP, cigs and alchohol. When asked why these items, when everyone else was buying food, she replied "because I can trade for ANYTHING I need." |
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Single malt just means all the grain in the prep came from a single batch of malting. With respect to the earlier post about clear alcohol having less hangovers, it's complicated. Pure vodka is literally just water and ethanol. But, when distilling, other compounds in the liquid also evaporate and distill, and they come out at different times. The very first ones come before the ethanol, and include methanol, which permanently blinds you if you drink enough, as well as other nasty tasting crap. Others come out at the end, after almost all the alcohol is gone. Another set come out with the alcohol in the middle. The exact flavors depend on what you started with (molasses for rum, agave for tequila, barley for scotch, corn for bourbon, and any of those for vodka) Distillate is made by tossing the heads (first stuff) and tails (end stuff) and keeping the hearts (good stuff). More expensive/better liquor comes from keeping only the best part of the hearts, which also means tossing a lot of booze. Cheap junk keeps as much as possible, which means a lot of nasty toxins. Darker spirits come from barreling in charred oak. The longer it's there, generally the darker it is. The char acts like activated charcoal and filters a lot of nasty stuff out. However, the wood also leaches into the booze, which adds great flavor, but also adds some toxins that make you hung over. The very best distillers are masters at getting flavor from wood without too many toxins. Generally speaking, then, good vodka has the lowest hangover. Cheap whiskey has the worst. But definitely prefer quality booze over cheap, no matter what it is. Good whiskey is a lot less harsh than cheap vodka. Quality starts around $20 a fifth in California. Anything 60 proof or higher is disinfecting. Things of higher proof are better disinfectants, up to about 160 proof (80% alcohol)--any higher and they actually get worse again. And it doesn't matter how cheap it is. Things that are 100 proof or higher are flammable. This is a hazard in case of fire, but it also means you can use it as a fire accelerant in case all your wood is too wet, and you can pour it on a non-flammable surface then ignite it to double sterilize with alcohol then fire--great if you need a makeshift sterile operating table to work on, just make sure to wait a bit for the surface to cool again! Finally, never ever drink industrial or laboratory alcohol should you come across any! To avoid paying taxes on it as booze, producers are required to add unnatural poisons to the mixture. (This is called denatured alcohol). Best case you get one poisoned with a vomiting agent. Worst case you get something extraordinarily harmful, even fatal. Denatured alcohol is fine to use as a disinfectant, even topically, though. I would keep a small bottle of 200 proof denatured alcohol for medical/fire use, a small bottle of concentrated bleach for disinfectant and water sterilization use (1:10 bleach:water is a much more effective disinfectant than any level of alcohol; you can use even less to just sterilize the water you're diluting it with for drinking), and a case of cheap whisky for bartering (no one will care about hangovers by that point).
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For educational purposes only!
Isopropyl alcohol is for medical and industrial use (disinfectant/cleaner) not for drinking. Ethyl alcohol (grain alcohol) is what's used for making moonshine but it can be dangerous to your health in quantity. Stick to professionally distilled spirits.
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You only need 2 kinds of booze in case of SHTF.
The first is YOUR favorite type. The second is A LOT of the cheap stuff... After three months of going without, most people will think that $12 bottle of generic whisky will taste like fine scotch.
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that's going to keep you ready for what?
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If for trade consider what people would want where you'll be trading. In my neighborhood - WINE.
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Ethyl alcohol purchased anywhere from a liquor store is going to be denatured (purposefully poisoned) so they can sell it without needing ATF licensing or taxes paid. Even if it's professionally distilled, do not drink it unless it's bottled for that purpose! It's dangerous to your health in even minute quantities.
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Build a still and make yer own...
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I was thinking the same thing. Shelf fronts and securing to the wall will help keep it all straight and neat
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"These are not the fifths you are looking for." Quote:
I'm in NC ("Orange County" ). No earthquakes here. If you do a Google image search "prepper liquor cabinet" (no quotes), you will see that this awesome booze collection isn't mine anyway. My real opinion - there is no good reason to do long-term storage of alcohol. Every human civilization has figured out how to make it. Let some other fool give up a bottle of his precious Jack for a handful of rounds. Ammo takes less room to store and is not vulnerable to earthquakes. |
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Better than gold or silver. Remember that in a SHTF, who determines what's worth what? Banks or the IMF wont be around to say "Your oz of gold is worth $947.13. Said it before and I'll say it again...ammo, skills and seeds are what it will come down to...of course a good antiseptic can't hurt to grease the wheels of trade!
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